Monday, October 19, 2009

Obama says no extra troops until Karzai proves election was credible! Q & A: Afghanistan elections, what's next?

I must admit I am stunned that Republicans are insisting the additional 40,000 troops that General McChrystal wants and now despite the fact that their is no Government in Afghanistan. Afghanistan's Electoral complaint's commission has thrown out thousands of fraudulent votes cast for Karzai! Karzai's representatives have indicated that they might not accept the ECC ruling which has sparked a flurry of diplomatic activity to avoid a protracted political crisis. Election Audit Said to Show Karzai Has 48 Percent

This will embolden the enemy but what are we going to do? Once again we are between a rock and a hard place. I am not convinced that adding thousands of more troops would do anything but get them killed because the people do not back Karzai and are indifferent to the Taliban. The IEC (independent election committee) is seen as not likely to accept the ECC findings as they are seen as corrupt and favor Karzai! Hamid Karzai 'stripped of outright win' after fraud inquiry

Abdullah Abdullah will entertain a power sharing deal with Karzai but first he has to accept Afghanistan's Electoral complaint's commission findings and he will not. We can not keep our troops in the middle of this mess to be killed for what? Afghanistan has never had a central Government and we can not enforce one especially a corrupt one the people do not want! what are the options? Q & A: Afghanistan elections, what's next?

I heard this morning that with 1/3 of Karzai's votes rejected as fraudulent he is now prepared to admit he won the election out right! What does this mean? Runoff election? Power sharing? When? Remember no accepted Government no new troops regardless of the mission! This is critical! We can not put our troops in the middle of this fraud of a Government, death, violence, corruption and volatility forever! Time to step up now! Karzai's brother is a drug lord and was found rigging ballots. Why would we think a new vote would bring new results? I just see increased violence and corruption in this battle between truth and fraud to control Afghanistan!

What we should do after the people get their central Government if that is what they want and not what Karzai wants is go home: I reiterate that Our soldiers did their job send them home. Unless their job is to create as many enemies as possible which is all they are doing in Afghanistan get them out. Getting rid of Al Qaeda and eliminating their Afghan safe haven was supposed to be the goal not building a puppet Government like in Vietnam. Staying in Afghanistan I understand has only brought a threat from the Taliban to attack us in the US once they get us out of Afghanistan.

The alternative to getting out now is adding more troops and staying there in the forever war Bush set up. They said we have two options making the issue black and white, right or wrong, which only highlights the politicization of the issue. Our choices are not All in or Withdraw. Making this an issue of doing it the Republican way or the Democrat way is the problem. Think! Do it the right way!

Refocus the mission! After 8 years of mismanagement under Bush it is right that Obama take time think and listen to good advice not war mongering Republicans. McChrystal is out to accomplish the wrong goal! Listen to Max Cleland who has learned the lessons of Vietnam the hard way. Listen to Biden! Listen to McCain, then think about it and do the right thing.

They may be now but the Taliban was not the enemy Al Qaeda was and is they attacked us not the Taliban. We keep hearing the Taliban are resurging. Who the hell cares as long as they stay in Afghanistan. THEY ARE NOT THE ENEMY! At least they weren't! Or is the friggen goal to see how many Muslim's we can get to fight us? Get out and Monitor them with drones. Work on Al Qaeda around the world! Afghanistan and the Taliban as I said were not the enemy though they may be now! Karzai is using us so he can steal Afghanistan for him and his brother! We do not need a hundred years ground war unless keeping our military and a war going in Afghanistan is how they plan on saving and driving our economy!

James Joiner
Gardner, ma


landsker said...

Apparently, there are is a run-off due sometime in November.
Perhaps by then the military option will have become even less viable, as the Talibans gain more strength.
The Pentagon and NATO offer little, other than calling for a bigger budget, reinforcements and more ammunition.
On this side of the pond, there`s not a great support for this "war", and some NATO members are whispering of withdrawal, which might end up leaving the Americans like the "coalition" that invaded Iraq..alone, and surrounded... in a bubble, just like number six in "the prisoner."

Middle Ditch said...

When will all this end Jim? And no, the Taliban were never our enemies either. So where did this all go so wrong?

an average patriot said...

Hi Landsker! I understand it is November 7th but with Karzai's brother the drug lord having fixed things the first time I don't think this will be any different. Nothing good is going to come out of this!

an average patriot said...

Hi Landsker! I understand it is November 7th but with Karzai's brother the drug lord having fixed things the first time I don't think this will be any different. Nothing good is going to come out of this!

an average patriot said...

Hi Monique!
This all started with Bush and Cheney and it was already planned. They just needed an excuse to get it going and 9/11 gave it to them.

I have talked about the total lie we are living too many times but it is not going to end in generations i am afraid.

That is why I call it bush's forever war. It is still barely taking shape. I will shut up you guys just take it easy and keep up the good work!

Demeur said...

I'll go out on a limb and say that with a run off election this will effectively stall the process until spring. You can't send in troops during winter in that country. The roads are impassable.
The only fault of the Taliban was their failure to turn over Bin Ladin (remember that?) and I'd be amost sure they couldn't do that as he was looked upon as a hero for helping rid the country of the Russians.
But as I recall one assesment said that there was no military solution to this and we don't have the endless money to build a country which would be a solution.

an average patriot said...

The runoff is scheduled for the 7th of next month but Karzai's drug lord brother corrupted the first one why should this be any different? It won't be!

You know, when I mentioned the winter thing to one of my sons who has been there and commanded outposts he just laughed.

He said shit Dad we would be in summer one place, helicopter over or into the mountains and it is winter.

I know there is a belief here that they only fight in season. They do have their more active time but it is all year round otherwise.

I firmly believe a surge of any kind will be a big mistake. Get them friggen Afghani's to do it and get the hell out!

Robert Rouse said...

Hiya, Jim. Long time, no see. Just a quick note to let you know that I’m back blogging about politics. It’s nearly been a year and I think the vacation is over. I can now be found at

I will soon get around to updating my linkage!

Demeur said...

Small world Robert. Good to see you back. I miss your video commentary.

Brother Tim said...

"Get them friggen Afghani's to do it and get the hell out!"

Methinks you have the cart before the horse. Get the hell out and the Afghanis will HAVE to do it.

Water seeks it's own level. Who the hell do we think we are, that we can decide cultural and societal structures for people all over the world.

I keep asking this question: When did God die, or retire, and leave His authority to the U.S. Government? I must have missed that news cycle.

an average patriot said...

All right Robert! I have been thinking about you lately! Glad to hear it! All voices has a new program and pays for original pictures, videos, and movies, right up your alley! Hope all is well with you and the kids!

an average patriot said...

You got it Brother!

an average patriot said...

Robert I was just at freeze dried gray matter and that is your Best! Good luck man!