Obama says no extra troops until Karzai proves election was credible! Q & A: Afghanistan elections, what's next?

I must admit I am stunned that Republicans are insisting the additional 40,000 troops that General McChrystal wants and now despite the fact that their is no Government in Afghanistan. Afghanistan's Electoral complaint's commission has thrown out thousands of fraudulent votes cast for Karzai! Karzai's representatives have indicated that they might not accept the ECC ruling which has sparked a flurry of diplomatic activity to avoid a protracted political crisis. Election Audit Said to Show Karzai Has 48 Percent

This will embolden the enemy but what are we going to do? Once again we are between a rock and a hard place. I am not convinced that adding thousands of more troops would do anything but get them killed because the people do not back Karzai and are indifferent to the Taliban. The IEC (independent election committee) is seen as not likely to accept the ECC findings as they are seen as corrupt and favor Karzai! Hamid Karzai 'stripped of outright win' after fraud inquiry

Abdullah Abdullah will entertain a power sharing deal with Karzai but first he has to accept Afghanistan's Electoral complaint's commission findings and he will not. We can not keep our troops in the middle of this mess to be killed for what? Afghanistan has never had a central Government and we can not enforce one especially a corrupt one the people do not want! what are the options? Q & A: Afghanistan elections, what's next?

I heard this morning that with 1/3 of Karzai's votes rejected as fraudulent he is now prepared to admit he won the election out right! What does this mean? Runoff election? Power sharing? When? Remember no accepted Government no new troops regardless of the mission! This is critical! We can not put our troops in the middle of this fraud of a Government, death, violence, corruption and volatility forever! Time to step up now! Karzai's brother is a drug lord and was found rigging ballots. Why would we think a new vote would bring new results? I just see increased violence and corruption in this battle between truth and fraud to control Afghanistan!

What we should do after the people get their central Government if that is what they want and not what Karzai wants is go home: I reiterate that Our soldiers did their job send them home. Unless their job is to create as many enemies as possible which is all they are doing in Afghanistan get them out. Getting rid of Al Qaeda and eliminating their Afghan safe haven was supposed to be the goal not building a puppet Government like in Vietnam. Staying in Afghanistan I understand has only brought a threat from the Taliban to attack us in the US once they get us out of Afghanistan.

The alternative to getting out now is adding more troops and staying there in the forever war Bush set up. They said we have two options making the issue black and white, right or wrong, which only highlights the politicization of the issue. Our choices are not All in or Withdraw. Making this an issue of doing it the Republican way or the Democrat way is the problem. Think! Do it the right way!

Refocus the mission! After 8 years of mismanagement under Bush it is right that Obama take time think and listen to good advice not war mongering Republicans. McChrystal is out to accomplish the wrong goal! Listen to Max Cleland who has learned the lessons of Vietnam the hard way. Listen to Biden! Listen to McCain, then think about it and do the right thing.

They may be now but the Taliban was not the enemy Al Qaeda was and is they attacked us not the Taliban. We keep hearing the Taliban are resurging. Who the hell cares as long as they stay in Afghanistan. THEY ARE NOT THE ENEMY! At least they weren't! Or is the friggen goal to see how many Muslim's we can get to fight us? Get out and Monitor them with drones. Work on Al Qaeda around the world! Afghanistan and the Taliban as I said were not the enemy though they may be now! Karzai is using us so he can steal Afghanistan for him and his brother! We do not need a hundred years ground war unless keeping our military and a war going in Afghanistan is how they plan on saving and driving our economy!

James Joiner
Gardner, ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Obama is in a tough spot! Can we work with Karzai if he keeps the Presidential reins without legitimacy?

Another new Democracy heard from: Afghan vote watchdog orders recount, discontent simmers and Karzai poised for victory vows to crush violent protests! These election rigging charges are serious and Karzai callously dismisses them. We are watching increasing military deaths and we are hearing analogies of what is happening in Afghanistan to Lyndon Johnson. That really bothers me because of the ineptitude we will discuss shortly. We can avoid this and we better get our collective act together! Afghan vote watchdog finds fraud, orders recounts

Vote discontent simmers in Afghan north

Afghanistan: Hamid Karzai poised for election victory

I am sick! My sons and the rest of the military have put an awful lot into this and many have paid with life and limb. All we have done is trade their lives for fraud and corruption! I told you 16 days ago our soldiers deserved a legitimate election and they did not get it. Afghanistan must honor our troops and their citizens and legitimize their election!

The Taliban is watching our troops habits and movements and have learned how to kill them better and are improving every day. We should be learning from them and we should be avoiding setting patterns. I do not get it! Amidst this we have an election as corrupt as Iran's. This is what our soldiers are dying for? Karzai the false President? Election fraud? Theirs is not a Democracy! I look at Karzai and I listen to him I see nothing but contempt for America. He is accusing us of trying to unseat him. Maybe we should and are!

Amidst all this crap General McChrystal has been trying to get to the bottom of what happened when the US fighter blew up those 2 tankers and civilians were killed. Unbelievably when he first tried to get answers about the air strike the Commanders were out getting drunk! Can you believe it? I'm stunned! After what we saw with our mercenaries getting naked and drunk? Then he could not get an answer because the men he tried to question were drunk. He then banned alcohol, what? Why the hell was this not done from the get go?

This is the kind of ineptitude we have running things over there? No damn wonder things are not going well and the Taliban is only getting stronger? Rising violence there rising opposition here and they are going out and getting drunk? In Afghanistan? No wonder we are losing here and in Afghanistan. This is winning hearts and minds? This is no friggen joke!

This crap better stop now! Start being professional! We do not want Karzai to insult our troops and their valor and our own people over there are doing it. Start being professional! Honor our fighting men and women. The policy there is Clear Hold and Build not Screw it and Get Drunk! Ours is a mission in crisis amidst a corrupt election and a rising American death count and some of our key front line commanders are out getting drunk.

We will have 68,000 troops in Afghanistan by years end plus 38,000 other NATO troops. They say it is not enough. I say BS! after 8 years of listening to one of my sons off and on, on the front lines over there and watching events in Afghanistan for eight years I believe wholeheartedly that we do have enough troops if the dedication of many of our ground troops was equaled across the board.

We are facing dangers seen and unseen innate and created in Afghanistan a country a battlefield the size of Texas. Not just our troops mercenaries or not but all of NATO to the man better honor our dedicated hard working troops and start taking this as serious as it is or we will be responsible for our own defeat. WE only have about a year to turn this around I understand.

You know, when all is said and done I keep coming back to What the Hell is it Worth with stolen elections a corrupt Government and an Afghan Army that seems to not want to stand up and fight? Our troops did their job we should honor them cut our losses and get the hell out of there now.





James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com