Thursday, May 14, 2009

The Cheney torture Justification tag team!

Cheney keeps throwing fuel on the torture memo fire. He keeps saying torture kept us safe and gave us information we otherwise would not have gotten. As I keep saying, a study should be done to determine how much of that information was actionable and how much was worthless. Just given to stop the torture! Or of the torture was just used to keep false information thus this so called war on terror going.

We must take the moral high ground. There must be a better way than torture. It Bothers me that the most secretive VP in history to enable his misdeeds now that the gig is up has become the most talkative in history to hopefully get away with those deceitful misdeeds. It is time to put him to bed. There must be a law.

Certainly since the nightmare Bush snuck into office we have been clandestine. There has been no transparency or oversight. We must have transparency. As far as torture goes transparency is not just Pelosi's big gripe. The whole bunch is peeved that they use to be able to lie about everything. With Obama's new policy of transparency their complacency in Bush's crimes are coming to light. transparency has become the enemy of both sides thanks to Bush being the crime decider.

Anyway the torture memo hearings started yesterday. An FBI interrogator said torture does not work. Information was provided but as soon as torture started the information stopped. Quite contrary to what Cheney is saying so of course that guy is being dismissed as a disgruntled employee. I am so sick of this crap. I was thinking another reason for Herr Cheney's stupidity is that if there are hearings he can say he was under the impression it was legal though that is BS. We know low level Lawyers were found to write the so called torture memos and lo and behold he was given a Judgeship. Gee another coincidence!

I hope these hearings are mot more window dressing and will lead to something like a commission that actually functions to determine the truth. Remember the 9/11 commission hearings? They were a friggen bad joke. Cheney and Bush talking together holding each others hands, Rice lying through hr teeth and being labeled a hero, Everyone guilty as hell but with one of the few "partisan" efforts we see resulting an everyone being innocent and getting off scot free. What a friggen country, only in America!

All Cheney's efforts to say water boarding which was declared illegal during WW2 is okay and not torture is BS. It better be found as such. Listening too or even seeing snarling Dick Cheney is pure torture. I heard reference that water boarding is torture but Cliff May defended it being done by us saying that is an international law. He said we are not subject to international law in the US. What the heck is that? I am sick of semantics and worthless word games designed to enable ones crimes. Does that mean torture is illegal everywhere but in the US?

Now the Cheney torture tag team! I do not know if you noticed it or not but a method has developed in Cheney's efforts to justify his torture. One day Cheney comes out and says Obama is aiding the terrorists and snarlingly says torture is justified and is what kept us safe, In every instance the next day Liz Cheney hits the air waves defending her father saying Obama is siding with the terrorist and her Dad just does not want to see Obama endangering the country and discontinue water boarding which worked, An FBI interrogator just testified it does not work and has the opposite effect.

Of course the truth does not stop them. Now we have another generation discounting it as coming from a disgruntled employee or just a lie. I am so sick of this! Liz Cheney is supposedly the new fresh young "gay" voice of the big tent party again defending torture and everything Bush. What may I ask has changed?

Wait a minute, another sideshow, this just does not stop! I just heard Limbaugh say Obama is deliberately trying to destroy the economy. Wait a minute how is that possible? Didn't Bush already purposely wreck it? Just how do you wreck a wrecked economy? Supposedly Obama is trying to Sabotage the stock market. Didn't Greenspan already do that for Bush? Are we not paying the price now? Limbaugh is making accusations of forced reparations.

Limbaugh says Obama is purposely creating a welfare state. Isn't that what they said about FDR? Yes it it so I guess that is a good thing. Limbaugh stupidly said Obama is getting even for slavery. Does that mean only Blacks will be part of Obama's welfare state? That is one warped mind. I refuse to believe the likes of Cheney and Limbaugh influence Republicans let alone what the rest of the extremists say.

Oh yeah, speaking of stupidity other Republican extremists Cavutto suggested that he heard wrongly held should and would get welfare for being wrongly held. Where the hell do they get this crap? I am sick of hearing Cheney loves the US. He does not, does not. He loves only his and Bush's version and keeping himself out of jail. Dick Cheney appears to be a defendant working a jury. Why the relentless torture PR? campaign? I thought Cheney was going to retire and go fishing?

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma


Brother Tim said...

Transparency from Obama????????


I did a post on that yesterday.

Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss ~Pete Townsend

AdB said...

Must say that I'm a bit flummoxed by the Cheney team's verbal gymanstics.

It doesn't take immense intelligence to realise that the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld euphemism, i.e., enhanced interrogation techniques, is torture.

And as we all know torture is illegal in the US, so what is the good justice dept chief doing?

Weaseldog said...

Obama Considers Detaining Terror Suspects IndefinitelySame as the old boss indeed, Brother Tim...

He has kept one campaign promise. He got his girls a dog.

Brother Tim said...

And that was only because Ted Kennedy did the work.

an average patriot said...

I am going to have to check that. Yesterday when I looked I don't think I saw anything at your place. At the very least Obama is a master of the mouth.
I am writing on it again tomorrow but if he is not transparent he finds a way to blame it on someone else.

an average patriot said...

Hi Anna
We all are. Yesterday I heard it said that the international community found water boarding illegal but we are in America. I am just sickened. We know under Bush he was the decider and could do what ever he wanted. It really peeves me to see Cheney and others defend torture and a return to Cheney Bush policies.

an average patriot said...

He didn't even keep that one without making changes. He promised a pound dog.

Weaseldog said...

Dick Cheney spins eternally through the revolving doors in Washington. He will until he can't do it anymore.

Why should he stop? the feeding trough is always full of delicious treats.

Good catch on the lack of a pound puppy. I couldn't help but chortle when I heard that he got a hunting dog. That's a great first dog for a kid growing up in the country. But in an urban setting, not so good. I heard the dog already ate a chair of undisclosed value... I'm a little surprised it was unattended for so long in the White House.

hunting dogs make great pets, they have lots of energy, are generally smarter then their masters, get bored easily, find things to play with, even when toys aren't available...

Weaseldog said...

Oh, the dog in the foreground in my avatar pic...

That's Thor. He's a Catahoula Leopard Dog. He really wants the squirrels that visit our yard.

My wife found him walking along the top of the chain link fence in the back of the yard one day, as he tried to go where they go.

an average patriot said...

The Republicans should make Cheney go away if they can for the good of what is now the pup tent party. I have to laugh at you picking a Catahoula Leopard Dog. You're a riot what do you get your dogs like your chickens? I see though that he thought he was a squirrel.

Weaseldog said...

Thor has never been a problem with the chickens. I think he sees them as part of the pack or family. They've always been there. He knows I don't want them hurt.

The other dog in the pic. Ginger, is Shar Pei / Lab mix. She's killed 10 chickens. Just playing with them. I finally convinced her that it's not worth it to catch them.

Now she helps me herd them back into the pen when they get out. She's older now, that helps.

My wife says that a couple of days ago, a rooster got out. Ginger kept him pinned near the gate. Then helped herd him back in when my wife discovered what was going on. Ginger got praise and treats for her good behavior.

Karen said...

chenhead - rushhead = same

Utah Savage said...

Cheney seems to be doing a great job making the case that he's fairly proud of the torture program they designed and that he can't stand the idea that we might not be quite so fond of it. I say, keep at it Dick, you and Rush should start a new political party and see how many attend. I think you'd be surprised how much we hate your torturing ass.

an average patriot said...

Wease At this point Ginger is old enough where she has learned and is just having fun gaining favor that's cool!

an average patriot said...

You are entirely right. I am sickened, sickened, that those fascist bastard get away with their mindless self serving crap. I mean enough is a-friggenough!

an average patriot said...

I have been so tied up. So glad to see you, hope you are well. Cheney doesn't give a damn what we think about him. If he could he would torture us too.
I say Jessie Ventura has volunteered to water board Cheney and get him to admit to the Sharon Tate murders, let him I want to watch!

Larry said...

We all know Bush and Cheney tortured and we all know Pelosi and Reid among many others turned their worthless heads while it was going on.

Everyone of them should be thrown in prison as torturers and as enablers.


"Cheney doesn't give a damn what we think about him. If he could he would torture us too."

Hahaha! That's a gem, James!

an average patriot said...

Damn straight bud! I am going to put one story together on this and call it quits. I am sick of the friggen lying.
Of course Cheney knew his request to have all the memos released would be denied that is why he made it. Now Pelosi is calling the CIA liars. I am so friggen sick of this crap. Get rid of that lying bitch and burn the whole bunch of witches at the stake.

an average patriot said...

It is funny but sadly very true. I am so sick of all this friggen lying.