Tuesday, September 01, 2009

Cheney strikes back! Who the Hell died and left Cheney Boss anyway?

Cheney Strikes Back

What the hell gives Cheney the right to decide whether or not he is going to cooperate with a Special prosecutor? Last week after it was announced there would be an investigation we wondered Who will take the fall and will it go to the top like it should? Cut it off at the head doesn't only apply to killing snakes! All right this is a good start but I thought appointing special prosecutors is a waste of time and money but believe Holder will do this right for once. We now know veteran prosecutor John Durham has been appointed to the task of holding a so called limited investigation "narrow in scope" of the CIA and"illegal" torture techniques.

We saw narrow in scope when Clinton was investigated for Whitewater and we ended up with Monica Lewinsky and Impeachment under Ken Starr? We are now hearing of CIA threats to kill suspects kids. One terrorist suspect was told his Mother would be sexually assaulted in front of him. One was told his family would be killed.Waving a handgun next to a prisoners head, revving a power drill next to his head while shackled and hand cuffed' whether you agree with it or not this is torture!

Bush Lawyers who okayed this torture and Cheney, Rummy, and Rice, who gave the go ahead should be prosecuted period. Cheney, Rummy, Rice, the Attorney General, they are the ones who should all be held accountable. They were the lying underhanded enablers in all the Bush misadministration injustice. They should not get away scot free but I expect they will. I think it is great that officially the White House is staying out of this and they must. I am sure Bush pundits made a deal with him that there would be no prosecutions by him of higher ups.

I think it is not only calculated but great that the White House is staying out of this. This is perfect because Eric Holder will take charge. The special prosecutors will start with the interrogators and go right to the top. As you know I think the interrogators thought they were protected so should be disciplined but keep their jobs. However when they do get to the top heads should roll and holder is the man to see it through!

Holder said only techniques not authorized by the CIA should be investigated. Supposedly firing guns on the other sides of prisoners cells so they would believe they would be shot was something else that was not authorized by the CIA but that authorization order is what should be closely perused. If the CIA did not authorize it the interrogators should be prosecuted if not go right to the top and prosecute them to the limit of the law! Cheney and Rummy did and they are the ones who ultimately should be prosecuted.

It is beyond me how Cheney has gotten away from day one of being an obvious fascist dictator and above law. It was obvious from the day he picked himself as dictator I mean Vice President that he was the real Decider. Now the scum is saying Obama has gone against his word in allowing Holder to hold investigations. Cheney just gets more ignorant every day. This is not the Bush misadministration when the AG did Cheney and Bush's bidding to enable their illegalities! Ridge, Cheney Assail Holder's Decision

Why are they letting Cheney foam at the mouth and placate his mindless followers? Why has no one spoken up and reminded that Obama is not above the law like Bush was. He to my knowledge is doing things right.He was very smart to have Holder do this. Someone should speak up and shut Cheney up! The Attorney General does not do Obama's bidding they are an independent agency for a good reason as you saw under Bush and Cheney.

Someone of consequence better start speaking up. We are watching ourselves devolve into chaos and we have idiots like Cheney saying they do not know of they are going to cooperate with the law or not. How the hell can he say whether I cooperate or not depends on whether or not I like the line of questioning?He is accusing Holder of making this Political while he is and reasserts that he is above the law. Someone better start Growing some and quick! Cheney shrugs off CIA-torture investigation

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma


Holte Ender said...

Cheney is doing more talking than any other ex-president/vice-president I can remember. Strange, that with all the problems that riddled the Bush administration for 8 eight years, he was rarely seen. He is certainly doing a job to protect himself, he needs protecting.

I only hope that any investigations will be swift, because stalling tactics will be the order of the day.

Demeur said...

I say let him blather on Jim. Remember anything you say can and will be held against you in a court of law. I just hope they keep a good copy of his interviews.

two crows said...

this isn't new.
remember? during the Bush admin, Harriet Miers and Karl Rove both decided they weren't going to testify before Congress -- and they didn't.

this is just more of the same old hubris. of course Cheney thinks he can get away with this. they've gotten away with it for 9 years.

an average patriot said...

Holte I am sure they will stall the damn things until something else comes up and if Cheney has to die first the bastard will get away with everything!

an average patriot said...

Demeur I refuse to believe Cheney can decide if he wants to cooperate or not. Fine than throw his ass in jail or water board him it isn't torture!

an average patriot said...

Hi two crows
Two days in a row, great! I remember, I have just never heard of having a choice before this Bush mess. Hell we would be imprisoned why not them?

Brother Tim said...

I think you already know how I feel on this. Torture is serious sh*t. I don't care what the lawyers opinions were, or what was supposedly 'authorized' by the higher ups; if the low level interrogators commited torture, they should be fired and threatened with imprisonment. Their only salvation would be rolling over and testifying against their bosses. Let's see how 'patriotic' they really are. The G Gordon Liddys of this world are going the way of the dinosaurs.

These people are not mental retards, they know (better than the average citizen) what torture actually is. You could not get me to torture someone even by threatening ME with torture. 'They were only following orders'? 'They were worried they'd lose their jobs'? Well, boo-hoo, cry me a river. That weak bullsh*t defense didn't work at the Nuremberg or Tokyo Trials, or any of the many other war crimes trials and tribunals the U.S. was a party to. Tell me what's different now. Oh, nevermind, I forgot, we're dealing with patriotic Americans now. We're a special group of human beings. We should be thanking our lucky stars that we Americans have usurped Israel as being God's chosen people. Singling out some people as being above the law is just morally, and legally, plain wrong; and I think, in your heart, you know that to be true.

This stuff should be investigated and prosecuted all the way up to Cheney. Bush should be given a pass, as there are no laws against being a dolt, or totally clueless. Maybe we should amend the Constitution to include, as a requirement to becoming President, that a person be of at least average intelligence.

I hate to burst your bubble, Bud, but Eric 'State Secrets' Holder is not going to do a damn thing but signify (read Henry Louis Gates, Jr's 'The Signifying Monkey'). This move is made only to temporarily placate those on the left.

Obama is a charlatan, a black Harold Hill. As he refuses to cut back on troops in Iraq, ramps up troop levels in Afghanistan, and is now in the process of sending large numbers of troops to Columbia (what's up with that?); has went from single-payer to public-option to 'that's negotiable' on health care reform, he is showing his true colors (no pun intended).

This country better start getting it's stuff together, repenting, and making amends. We may soon find out, first-hand, what God really thinks about all this.

People may scoff at the wrath of God, but the Sciptures tell us plainly, that "God shall not be mocked".

Oh, woe is us!

an average patriot said...

brother I refuse to believe that Cheney or any of them have a choice as to whether or not they will cooperate, He should be the first to go and take Bush with him.
I am sick at what I see happening to America. I have not had a chance to follow up on it but I heard that both party's want Obama to get out of Afghanistan. I'll check it now!

an average patriot said...

I guess it is true! Monday, August 24, 2009
Feingold: Get Out Of Afghanistan?

And so it begins. It looks as though Obama is going to face a little test. Considering he's been failing at everything else, is there any way this ends up good for Obama? Or, good for the troops? And other voices are calling for more troops, not a timeline. It's dejavu, or back to the Bush years, all over again.

Let's hope this doesn't become a nightmare for Obama. We want him rested if he ever gets that 3 AM call. Though I suppose he could always pull Hillary from State and re-assign her to the switchboard. heh!

Also, I see liberal Sherrod Brown just got back from Afghanistan. Hmm.

Sen. Russ Feingold, D-WI, called on President Obama to announce a timetable for withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan. "This is a strategy that is not likely to succeed," Sen. Feingold said about the troop buildup in Afghanistan. "After eight years, I am not convinced that pouring more and more troops into Afghanistan is a well thought out policy," said Feingold. The liberal Democrat said he has expressed his reservations with President Obama, Admiral Mullen, and others inside the administration and he says he has "never been convinced they have a good answer."

Karen said...

Jim, as I said over at Holte's... truth be told, I don't think anyone's listening to chen-head. Faux news puts him out there cuz they know he's a lightning rod and it helps their ratings.

Dave Dubya said...

Reich Wingers still love Cheney and will always want him to be dictator. If the media was even close to being neutral, they'd have to always refer to Dick as the discredited former warmongering vice president with the cloud of obstructing justice and betrayal of a covert operator over his head.

No, they treat him as if he were legitimate.

You're right, Tim. Americans think they are so favored by God that they get special dispensation. It's not wrong if Americans do it.

And these are the same hypocritical Bozos who accused liberals of "moral relativism".

The old Ayatollah was no saint but each day I concur more and more with his "Great Satan" description of the USA.

an average patriot said...

Hi Karen
I wish it was true but he is at 60% now and I just heard something this morning that put it all together. I now know what is up and will work on it today. Not good!

an average patriot said...

I am afraid I agree with the Great Satan too. You probably saw what I wrote to Karen. It might be good for us but it blows me away. I just heard something about Cheney that puts everything together. I will work on it today!

Demeur said...

Cheney and Palin in 2012

What do you think? Good match?