7 former CIA directors try to hide the truth as CIA Chiefs Ask Obama to Stop Abuse Inquiry
Obama refuses to halt CIA probe into torture
I just love this because Holder taking the point on this frees up Obama from any involvement though as a constitutional Lawyer I have to believe he is behind having the "alleged" torture investigated. Hmmm! 7 CIA Directors agree with Cheney. I as you most likely agree have to assume they have been guilty at one time or the other of indiscretion. I have to ask! If Cheney can decide whether or not he will cooperate and you know he will not what is to stop all the rest of them?
I reiterate What the hell gives Cheney the right to decide whether or not he is going to cooperate with a Special prosecutor? Last week after it was announced there would be an investigation we wondered Who will take the fall and will it go to the top like it should? Cut it off at the head doesn't only apply to killing snakes! All right this is a good start but I thought appointing special prosecutors is a waste of time and money but believe Holder will do this right for once. We now know veteran prosecutor John Durham has been appointed to the task of holding a so called limited investigation "narrow in scope" of the CIA and"illegal" torture techniques.
We saw narrow in scope when Clinton was investigated for Whitewater and we ended up with Monica Lewinsky and Impeachment under Ken Starr? We are now hearing of CIA threats to kill suspects kids. One terrorist suspect was told his Mother would be sexually assaulted in front of him. One was told his family would be killed.Waving a handgun next to a prisoners head, revving a power drill next to his head while shackled and hand cuffed' whether you agree with it or not this is torture!
Bush Lawyers who okayed this torture and Cheney, Rummy, and Rice, who gave the go ahead should be prosecuted period. Cheney, Rummy, Rice, the Attorney General, they are the ones who should all be held accountable. They were the lying underhanded enablers in all the Bush misadministration injustice. They should not get away scot free but I expect they will. I think it is great that officially the White House is staying out of this and they must. I am sure Bush pundits made a deal with him that there would be no prosecutions by him of higher ups.
I think it is not only calculated but great that the White House is staying out of this. This is perfect because Eric Holder will take charge. The special prosecutors will start with the interrogators and go right to the top. As you know I think the interrogators thought they were protected so should be disciplined but keep their jobs. However when they do get to the top heads should roll and holder is the man to see it through!
Holder said only techniques not authorized by the CIA should be investigated. Supposedly firing guns on the other sides of prisoners cells so they would believe they would be shot was something else that was not authorized by the CIA but that authorization order is what should be closely perused. If the CIA did not authorize it the interrogators should be prosecuted if not go right to the top and prosecute them to the limit of the law! Cheney and Rummy did and they are the ones who ultimately should be prosecuted.
It is beyond me how Cheney has gotten away from day one of being an obvious fascist dictator and above law. It was obvious from the day he picked himself as dictator I mean Vice President that he was the real Decider. Now the scum is saying Obama has gone against his word in allowing Holder to hold investigations. Cheney just gets more ignorant every day. This is not the Bush misadministration when the AG did Cheney and Bush's bidding to enable their illegalities! Ridge, Cheney Assail Holder's Decision
Why are they letting Cheney foam at the mouth and placate his mindless followers? Why has no one spoken up and reminded that Obama is not above the law like Bush was. He to my knowledge is doing things right.He was very smart to have Holder do this. Someone should speak up and shut Cheney up! The Attorney General does not do Obama's bidding they are an independent agency for a good reason as you saw under Bush and Cheney.
Someone of consequence better start speaking up. We are watching ourselves devolve into chaos and we have idiots like Cheney saying they do not know of they are going to cooperate with the law or not. How the hell can he say whether I cooperate or not depends on whether or not I like the line of questioning?He is accusing Holder of making this Political while he is and reasserts that he is above the law. Someone better start Growing some and quick! Cheney shrugs off CIA-torture investigation
James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com
31 comments:
i have been asking that for a very long time- and why haven't we heard of anyone going after rumsfeld? he's the brains behind this outfit.
Why would the dark one cooperate as he's been allowed to do as he pleases anyway.
Gee Billie
You just said a mouthful just by saying Rummy the Dummy was the brains behind this. I guess that explains everything doesn't it?
Rummy Rice Gonzo they should all get it!
Tom
I say it so much I am sick of it myself but I am stupefied that anyone can decide whether or not they cooperate. Hell that is instant prison for Joe blow and the ass that outed Valerie Plame committing treason just continues to screw us over at will!
Jim you ain't seen nothin yet as they say. Pop over to the Brad blog and have a look at the other crimes that went on during that misadministration.
My question is can we convict Bush and Cheney now?
Holder's whitewash will produce nothing.
I read somewhere former CIA analyst Ray McGovern thinks Obama is afraid of the CIA. Clinton admitted so as well.
The CIA and NSA are out of control rogue agencies and should be dismantled. They both do far more harm than good to America.
No chance of that in this police state.
We'll see what comes of it but I am inclined to agree with Dave Dubya.
I am glad Obama is doing all he can do but I think he has already been pulled into the dark room filled with cigar smoke and aged scotch. He's already been told how far he can push before there is blowback from the CIA and other Clandestine organizations that specialize in regime change.
I just hope Obama is as smart as I think and in playing 3 level chess can outmaneurver the neerdowells that lurk in the bowels of our government.
DD and PoliS have got it down. Obama is being told what the score is on this. If Holder would actually go after people on this issue there will be dead people along the way.
I too hope Obama is better at this game than he's showing right now. I'll believe it when I see it but still hope.
The shadowy figures that stalk the halls of undercover power are still there, as one administration blends into another. Blind Alleys and Red Herrings are awaiting anyone who decides to dig too deep. These people are untouchable. Might get the odd sacrificial lamb. When all the players are dead, maybe the truth will out, like in Soviet Russia when, years after his death, Stalin was accused of, at least, some of the crimes he committed.
Thanks Demeur I'll do that! Right to the top all those scum should be tried for treason. You know shit flows down hill. Bush and all his criminal enablers should be shot!
Thanks Demeur I'll do that! Right to the top all those scum should be tried for treason. You know shit flows down hill. Bush and all his criminal enablers should be shot!
Dave I wouldn't doubt it you have to wonder about all our supposed secret helper's and our past unsolved assassinations.
Hey Poli, sun of a gun!
I hope he officially stays out of it and Holder can get something done. I just refuse to believe they have a choice as to cooperating or not.
Hey Tom! I know another instance of being placated. I am just so sick of this crap, nothing at all has changed just the face!
Holte it just sickens me. We talk about Nazi Germany Russia China, hell we are as bad if not worse!
All of the commenters are spot on today.
PoliShifter--
When Obama was "...pulled into the dark room filled with cigar smoke and aged scotch., he was shown the Magruder film. He knows exactly how far he can push. Nothing of consequence will be accomplished. They allow him to go just far enough to retain a semblance of 'street cred' to his supporters, and no farther. If he steps over that line, he'll be shaking hands with Abraham, Martin, and John.
Brother you keep mentioning that but what is the Magruder film. I will try to google it!
okay I got it! ZAPRUDER film, not Magruder film. Argh!
I stand corrected. :)
I am thinking that this investigation will begin with the smaller fish and lead to the bigger fish. I think Cheney and that daughter of his have been working behind the scenes, and that this is what led to the former attorneys general writing to the president. Obama has to engineer this investigation in such a way that allows the DOJ to do its' job. That way he can let Holder run things, and besides, Obama cannot stop Holder because of separation of powers. The DOJ is part of the Judicial Branch and has separate powers from the Executive Branch which is under Obama's control. Obama really can't decide what is done by the DOJ. He doesn't have the power to do it according to the Constitution. Thank goodness the Founding Fathers set it up this way. This investigation is the main reason the republicans protested so much when Obama appointed Holder. They brought up the Willie Horton Affair, but they couldn't stop Holder from becoming Attorney General. Plus, Holder has had some dealings with some of the republicans in Congress when they were serving in other capacities as lawyers before they went to Congress. He uncovered instances of corruption in states where they were serving, and republicans never want their evil deeds made public.
Oh no you don't Brother! I have to laugh, when I was researching it I ran into that because I guess someone else got sick of correcting it!
Hi Morb320
Welcome! I believe you are right! The Cheney torture tag team! Every time Cheney Comes out with his lies she comes right on to defend him. Cheney Bush Rummy and all the enablers should be hung!
Hi Jim,
The democrats are starting to close in on a "nest of wasps".
The CIA, the military, or the right wing... however you care to name it, there is an entity that needs to be shaken from its` tree.
Healthcare...Torture...Illegal Israeli settlements...Obama is drawing lines between the dems and the right..., it remains to be seen if he can hold that line.... Needless to say, he should avoid open-top motorcades, Motel balconies and hotel Kitchens.
Landsker you have to wonder where they will draw the line. I was told if Obama stopped one of the wars he would be "killed" I would have to say he knows that too!
Jim, I hope it doen`t come down to an assasination, that would certainly inflame the US.
Obama is cutting away at the roots of the right, and who knows, if enough pressure is applied, more whistleblowers and converts may yet emerge, until Cheney, Bush and co are brought to trial.
"...if enough pressure is applied, more whistleblowers and converts may yet emerge, until Cheney, Bush and co are brought to trial."
That is a most noble outlook, Landsker. However, with the Health Care in America being what it is, I can not put myself in jeopardy by holding my breath. ;)
Just imagine Landsker what that would do to this country. That would ensure another civil war worse than the first one that saw 600,000 dead.
Hey Brother did you ever get that Lashkar video?
Jim--
I left a comment about that on the other post. That heavy machine gun is da bomb! I could use something like that here at The Compound. Ya know where I can get one cheap?
I'll have to check that out I missed it. I know, I love that machine gun. Can you imagine? Hell it may be disabled but I would not doubt if you could get one at a military surplus. That would be awesome just as a conversation piece. The celebration in the video was a pleasure as for once it is not directed at us!
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