Thursday, September 24, 2009

Obama's decision to use the Aegis because of Iran was obviously a good one and timely!

I am sorry, I do not think I am any different than the rest of you but knowing Iran wants to wipe at least Israel off the map and says they are not developing a nuclear weapon but if they had one would use it on Israel I have to believe while they may have a valid need for nuclear power their program is a cover for their real goal of developing or getting their hands on a nuclear weapon to use on Israel!

Likewise Iran has been upgrading its missile systems and for the first time showed off its Sejil 2 two stage solid fuel missile capable of reaching targets 1,200 miles away. They had that ability with the Shahab 3 but are now prepared to produce these en masse. They now have capable short and medium range capabilities but no way to deliver nuclear warheads. Supposedly these are not to be used offensively but only to prove Iran can defend herself. Once again you have to believe the weapons are to prove they are a threat offensively. Iran displayed its ballistic missile

Iran was already a threat to her immediate neighbors with a 600 mile range now they have paraded the ability to produce missiles capable of reaching parts of Europe and certainly most of the middle east.

President Obama based his decision to scrap Bush's worthless MDS Boondoggle as it was only designed to provoke Russia and was never even tested under realistic conditions despite its 4 Billion dollar cost. As you know after much expert advice and thought he scrapped it for the much tested land and water based mobile Aegis system.This great decision which Europe and Russia welcome was based on a reassessment of the developing and changing threat coming from Iran! Because Europe because of Iran is the priority Decisions based on intelligent reasoning what a novel idea!

We heard McCain and other war mongering advocates of Bush's MDS whose only purpose was to instigate Russia to future war say Obama weakened the US and betrayed Poland , the Czech Republic, and all of Europe. Quite the opposite is true. They are collectively ecstatic. Poland and the Czech Republic will no longer be Russian targets and Europe will no longer be retargeted by Russian nuclear weapons. Why Europe welcomes US missile defense shield decision?

* In closing: The water based mobile Aegis system can even be moved to the Gulf and other area's of concern that may and will crop up to counter immediate short and medium range missile threats.Meanwhile by 2017 when Iran is expected to have long range capabilities the Aegis is also scheduled to have long range and ICBM defense capabilities. If Russia and NATO join the effort as proposed I am confident we will be prepared for any future threats!

James Joiner
Gardner' Ma


Dave Dubya said...

Israel is a nuclear-armed American-backed hostile state to Iran. Israel is a greater threat to Iran than Iran is to anyone. Iranians want deterrence. Remember Iran has NOT launched a war of aggression in centuries of modern history.

Americans have been indoctrinated to believe Iran is a threat. They NEVER threatened us, even after all the long history of what we have done to them to earn their hatred.

The only "retaliation" for our meddling was to overthrow the Shah and take our embassy. That was long ago, but the US never forgives anything. WE demand obedience and economic servitude.

They have every right to fear us after all the Neocon threats, lies and saber-rattling towards Iran.

It was no secret Cheney wanted war with Iran. OUR military surrounds them and they are a threat to US???

There is an empire of evil and it has launched unprovoked wars. And Iran is justly afraid of the US.

an average patriot said...

Dave you know you are right! Cheney did his damnedest to instigate war with Iran but failed. That is why we attacked Iraq in the first place.
Anyway this is part of tomorrows subject but it addresses what you said directly.
When all is said and done with Iran wanting to obliterate Israel and many of us fear getting their hands on nukes one way or the other they would be wise to remember a nuclear Iran would have to face a nuclear Israel with 2 or 300 nuclear weapons and second strike capabilities which means that even if they are attacked they will have the ability to strike back. Just think of the repercussions of this in the middle east and around the world!

Brother Tim said...

Iran has never said it wanted to 'wipe Israel off the map'. This is Neo-con/Zionist translations meant as propoganda to foment fear. What they actually say is: They want to remove the Zionist Government from existence.

Defensive weapons and Offensive weapons are only semantical terms.

My good-hearted neighbor could buy a 9mm as a 'defensive' weapon, but if he comes home drunk, or wired on meth, it could become an 'offensive' weapon in a heartbeat.

As for nuclear weapons, there is only one country that has ever used them. TWICE, and offensively.

They are a sure-fire weapon of deterrence. Notice how we stopped all the sabre-rattling at North Korea. That's why we don't want Iran to be nuclear armed, we could no longer threaten them. Iran signed the NPT, while Israel, India, and Pakistan did not. Lets demand disarmament from those countries first. Oh, nevermind, I forgot.

Demeur said...

I don't see any changes any time soon in any disarmament agreement involving nukes. They're nothing but a waste of money as no body is about to use them. Iran won't use them on Isreal for fear of colateral damage to Palistine.
I think this is only a temporary peace with Russia as they realize we'll have mobile missles everywhere. A good deal for the arms dealers.

Holte Ender said...

Iran is like ants at a picnic, a bloody nuisance, Russia does not want a new nuclear power on their border, brandishing missiles with a range of 1200 miles, expect them to take care of any problems in the future.

The big dangers in the world are the boys with the big toys. They can sign all the treaties they want, and promise each other everything, nobody is giving up their nuclear deterrent. Not India, not Pakistan, not Israel and definitely not UK, France, USA, China and Russia.

an average patriot said...

Too many times Brother. Here is a story from 2005 of the world condemning Iran for calling for Israel to be wiped off the map

an average patriot said...

Demeur it is a huge waste of time. If someone wants them they will get them.

an average patriot said...

You're right Holte, that and dirty and suitcase bombs. I remember a ways back when Obama first said nuclear was okay for Iran but told Russia if they took the responsibility to make sure it was peaceful!

Brother Tim said...

I have been following all the official statements of the Iranian government for years. The speeches are always in Farsi. If you check with ME sources (such as Naj), who speak Farsi, what they say is similar to the quote in the 9th paragraph of the story you referenced: the "Zionist regime is illegitimate" and that "the world will see the anger of the Islamic world against this regime." 'Israel' and 'Zionist regime' are not synonymous; ask any Orthodox or Reform Jew.

That's hardly equivalent to 'wiping Israel off the map'.

When we spoke of 'eliminating the Neo-con regime' in D.C. during the Bush/Cheney years, were we advocating 'wiping America off the map'?

The Neo-con/Zionist translations are meant to foment fear and hatred. The next time you hear something like that in the Western Press, double-check the speech in English language ME news outlets. You may be shocked at the difference.

Dave Dubya said...

Maybe this will clear some of the Corporate Media Propaganda lies "off the map".

"WIPED OFF THE MAP" - The Rumor of the Century


So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel."


The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

Brother Tim said...

We must have been typing at the same time. You went into a more detailed explanation. Thanks.

an average patriot said...

I guess it boils down to saying what you want but hiding behind the meaning and leaving the interpretation to satisfy everyones needs.

Brother Tim said...


an average patriot said...

Brother I am laughing! When I was writing that I was thinking you wouldn't get my meaning. It is not what you say it is how you say it and it is all how you interpret it.
I guess is is like the Bible, the meaning if up to the reader.

Jolly Roger said...

I would venture to guess that we will be 100% unprepared for any kind of a threat within 5 years. We are so close to a Soviet implosion it isn't funny, and yet, all the Rushpubliscums seem to be able to do is try and find ways to make things worse.

We had our Brezhnev, and now we have our Gorbachev, and just like the first Gorbachev, this one arrived too late and moves too timidly to change the ending of the story.