Thursday, May 05, 2011

The 1980s mujahideen, the Taliban and the shifting idea of jihad: This isn't Jihad

The 1980s mujahideen, the Taliban and the shifting idea of jihad It is not Jihad it is Islam hijacked just like we have with perverted Christianity on our side.

Letter written by Noman Benotman, a former commander in the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group who fought beside Osama against Russia! He wrote this 8 months ago but you have to read what a real lover of Islam feels about the betrayal and dishonor Bin Laden has brought to his people and Islam.

The terrorist who said no to Bin Laden:You have lost your way! You are messing around with the DNA of Islam itself. I was impressed when I saw this interview on TV. It is obvious this man was a key high level player before 9/11 and was in on the meeting running up to it. This discussion was about an open letter written by Noman Benotman, a former commander in the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) and a former associate of Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri.

In al Qaeda strategy meetings in Kandahar in 2000, Benotman warned the al-Qaeda leadership of ‘total failure' to realize their aims and called on bin Laden and al-Zawahiri to abandon violence. As you know they did not and he is out for good reason. He was at the high level meeting running up to 9/11, the Davos or terrorism and said no to Osama you will be defeated, this is not about Islam this is not Jihad.

He comes out now and says no this must stop. We are not winning and I was right. We have betrayed Islam. We are killing the very people and cause we were supposed to be fighting for. Knowing our response to past attacks they thought our response would be 200 missiles or so, so they took the chance. Needless to say they did more damage and killed more people than they thought they would and this is just beginning unless the Islamists quit because we must fight for our lives.

Noman Benotman loves and respects Bin Laden but like Al Zawahiri Al Qaeda number two he does not think Bin Laden is very smart. However, he does not have to be. He got this so called Jihad going and has incited the Islamist rancor he intended. whether he's Dead or alive the battle on. For Islamists this has taken on a life of its own. If indeed Bin Laden is alive as we are led to believe, only he can stop this. In reality he is the greatest enemy of his people.

Bin Laden is solely responsible for all this war death and destruction. He's no frigging hero to Muslims. They should hunt him down themselves and end this! Noman considered himself a freedom fighter and he was. He fought alongside Bin Laden against the Russians but said these wars have nothing to do with Islam. It is purely political and it is time to lay down arms, 100% and end all this senseless violence.

We know this but Noman says Al Qaeda and now Islamists of all stripes offers meaning to those who have none and gives them a cause but has nothing to do with Islam or Jihad. This all boils down to communications and I agree but Islamists are not interested in communicating. They are interested in our destruction. violence is their communication.

Osama stop bring shame on Islam. Stop killing your own people. Stop bring death and destruction on them. You forsook Mullah Omar who invited you into Afghanistan to give you protection. Bin Laden used Afghanistan for his own personal war against the west, the US, and Israel. This is not Islam , this is not Jihad. Restore Muslim integrity, end this now!
An Open Letter to Osama bin Laden -- by Noman Benotman

* Osama Bin Laden is now dead, he has betrayed Islam and defamed and betrayed Muslims and their religion. His personal vendetta against the west will continue fueled by his death and fought by extremists who have nothing else to do. Fighting the west gives them a purpose. If it is to stop Islam must step up and police itself.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma


Demeur said...

There in lies the problem Jim, we always seem to use tin horn dictators and tyrants to do a job at the expense of the population.

What this all boils down to is oil power and money. Note that while promoting austerity and a simple life Osama lived in a multi million dollar compound. And right down the road from the Pakistani military. Nothing suspect there right?

Ranch Chimp said...

Damn good posting on this Jim ... and Ranch Greeting's!

An Arabic friend from Casablanca named Nabil about 5/ 6 year's ago gave me some literature and video and another named Rasheed from Agadir who is very much strong fundi Islam aslo gave me some literature on bin Laden ... (Nabil had run in's with fundi muslim's in college, so he is very anti fundi, being they beat him once and held a knife to his throat after a class, because he questioned religious law's in gvmnt, long story though) Rasheed is so fundi that to him a "couple" (guy/ gal) on the street kissing, even a light cheek pat, is disrespectful, also one day when I knocked on his apartment door to pick him up for work (he worked valet parking and I worked as street security in a nightclub district) when his car was in the shop, he wouldnt answer the door till he put his pants on because he was wearing short's and consider's that as disrespectful to me, he wont even talk to my wife without going through me, she asked him a question for instance ... he came to me to answer it, believe it or not. But back to bin Laden ... I think the guy alwayz was just really religiously intense and freaked out ... he went from a normal looking guy with wealth, career and such to living in bare necessities, no air/ heat, etc at a young age, he even because of his size as a kid would defend kid's during play against bullies, etc ... he "believe's" in his mind that he is "righteous" and just dont even see the damage he does. I dont believe this is any blow though to those who are determined to get to attack us, and of course this isnt the mindset of most muslim's by far, but ... when time's are tough whether economically or otherwise, as I have posted or for any reason, it is easier for these type's to recruit folk's to carry out their wishes unfortunately, and the young get persuaded especially quicker. I even seen the 9/ 11 attack as somewhat failed, even though bin Laden was impressed, only because I have been in the Trade Center many time's, and know that if they would have only waited to hit it a couple hour's later ... the casualty rate would have been more like possibly 30,000 to maybe 50,000 ... far higher than the casualties there were (bottom line, they done f'd up on their timing simply) ... but Hell Guy ... here I go rambling off again into the Twilight Zone, so I'll cap it ... and just say ... good post!

BTW Jim ... I must say that, that pic you posted above as far as Jihad ... got me to laughing up a storm! :)

Ranch Chimp said...

BTW ... thanx for that open letter link too ... I never seen that either.

an average patriot said...

It sucks doesn't it Demuer? You know some in the ISI and the Government were were complicit even before 9/11 and we knew it. Hell his neighbors were ISI and Government. He was big time protected. You want some more "in your face"? The name of his compound was little Waziristan!

an average patriot said...

Thanks RC! To me it is normal for many Muslims to want to live close to the land and very meager. I see nothing wrong with it. As a survivalist a hole in the ground will work for me but I'll take this for now. As far as I am concerned like me they can live like they want but don't kill others that live differently. He was not on a Jihad he had a vendetta against the west and betrayed real Muslims.

an average patriot said...

RC That was the best pic I could find but did not really dwell on it but you have me keeping on looking at it and laughing now.

Demeur said...

Interesting story RC. But even more interesting is what they do in their own country. A gentlemen from that part of the world filled me in. Contrary to their image of veiled women, no drinking and such my friend said he visited several people when he was in Sudan. Upon arriving he found the women in shorts and tee shirts and no home in the area he said was complete without a bar.

an average patriot said...

Demeur that is very interesting, that has to be like in certain areas as in a red light district.

There can be no way that would be tolerated by those who lop off hands heads and kill for not wearing a veil holding hands in public or god forbid pre marital sex.

Ranch Chimp said...

Thanx for the info on Sudan Demeur. I know a fella down the street here in my neighborhood that has a little auto repair shop from there, great competitive rate's, and know's his shit, inde ... but we never really talked hardly about his home country, I can tell you he's a big soccer fan though. Frankly I dont even have any idea what religion he is come to think of it.

Ranch Chimp said...

Interesting point you made and simple as far as bin Laden not being on a jihad and having a vendetta against the west, and betraying muslim's ... now that's short and too the point, I just cant write like that Jim ... I reckon that's what an experienced writer know's how to do, while those like me without that "formal" education are lacking in. But that make's sense, and I feel is accurate.

Another thing .. as far as how islam is or the follower's ... it confuses me ... or as Demeur pointed out about the house bar's, gal's in T's and short's (but there's nothing like American girl's in "short/ short's" and Daisy Duke's :) ... from what I noticed ... is it seem's that there is as many bloody variation's of muslim's as christian's almost, like when I described the vast difference between Nabil and Rasheed ... and Jesus Christ! ... dont get them two together talking about religion/ islam ... it will brew into a damn fight ... I sware ... one night afer the club's closed and we were winding down the night with other valet's, one from Jordan also muslim, but he kept hs mouth shut, Nabil got so aggitated with Rasheed's "preaching" ... he got in his face and said ... "why dont you just shut up!," etc, etc ... then you know they really started getting into it, when they start speaking in arabic and yelling, later Nabil told me he get's so sick of hearing about the Quran out of Rasheed .... it's true ... Rashedd like live's it, and even Lotfi (Lotfi's from Rabat) laugh's him off, what a mess that can be! Geeeez. But these guy's despite how religious they are have very different level's of their islam, and Dale ... another one from Casablanca, is almost as radical as me, love's extreme heavy metal, screwing every gal in sight, and whiskey and cocaine, this is true. Just out of respect I wouldnt eat around them at Ramadan ... and they would all tell me ... no ... it's okay, we dont care, etc I said ... no guy's ... ya'll know damn well if I just start eating a goddamn big ole Turkey sub sandwich in front of ya'll that's going to make your mouth's water, I'm not one to rub it in guy's. :)