Afghanistan is not Iraq! Obama reaches out to Taliban who demand strict Islamic Law while Karzai demands Democracy!
Karzai welcomes Obama call to reach out to Taliban
What worked in Iraq is not going to work in Afghanistan! Warning to the US: beware treating Afghanistan ...
I reiterate Afghanistan is no Iraq
Karzai insists he will protect Mullah Omar as long as he accepts accept the Afghan constitution, a pro-democracy document that was put into affect after the Taliban was ousted. Karzai wants peace with Taliban if they accept Democracy
Forget it! That is precisely the problem! The Taliban do not want a Democracy period. They want strict Sharia law! They are arguably defeating us in Afghanistan. Why the hell should they talk from a position of strength. The will not!
Most realize by now that Obama plans on reaching out to Iran To help in Afghanistan! At first glance that sounds ridiculous but I believe cooperation will happen. I had no idea back in 1998 Iran was prepared to attack Afghanistan or that since they have been supplying weapons to Northern Afghanistan to fight the Taliban! check out the numerous common interests including survival
I guess I forgot but Iran's hostility toward the Taliban predates Sept. 11: the Taliban's interpretation of Islam holds that the Shiite Muslims who dominate Iran are heretics, and an Iranian diplomat is among those being held by militants. Iranians are also concerned about the boom in opium poppy cultivation that has swept Afghanistan in the aftermath of the U.S. invasion."
* Hopefully you read the stories at the links and came to the conclusion yourself but we are in serious trouble as in my naivety I have hit the nail on the head more than a few times and have been right all along though ridiculed while this war against so called terrorism which I have said since 9/11 is like it or not a fight against all of Islam and nothing less than our survival is at stake. You at least looked at all the titles now I will sum up just one story that ties them all together and that is "The Taliban get their wish" As I never knew this and the entire world better friggen wake up because like it or not 9/11 was albeit a bad joke but just a joke as to what the future holds for us! This is no joke to co called Islamists and the Taliban!
I had no idea when I mentioned that Pakistan and Afghanistan was the front line in this war against "Islamists" how right I was! finding this out just blew me away! I found out that many Muslim's believe that what is modern day Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Iran, is the promised land from where they will secure victory in the end of days battle which ultimately will be fought in Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria. Knowing this now makes sense of all the events we have been discussing with Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and to my surprise Iran. I had no idea Iran and the Taliban are enemies. This is a relationship we better exploit and it sounds like we are!
What a surprise! The valley of Swat is right in the middle of this! With Petraeus trying to negotiate a supply line through there no wonder the Taliban are elated at their victory in securing the area as a stronghold under Sharia Law! The area in question is the Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP) and includes Islamabad! This is not good for our future! This is a huge defeat for us and a huge victory for the Pakistani Taliban and it bothers me that it was brokered by the Pakistani Government who are supposedly on our side. Pakistan has even brokered compensation packages for those who have been killed fighting the Government and Americans. This better wake you up!
As I keep saying the battle lines are still just forming and this will go on for generations unless we capitulate!
This is a major defeat for the United States, NATO Pakistan, India, Karzai, even Iran and indeed the entire world as hordes of trained fighters already swarmed from the Swat area and now that we are ramping up in Afghanistan Pakistan has capitulated. Please read the entire story. This is not good for our successful future!The Taliban get their wish
* If we are to have a victory Russia, India, Iran, indeed the entire so called civilized world is going to have to unite. This region throughout history has never been defeated militarily and will not now unless we all realize the future we want will not be unless as a whole we realize how critical the situation is and that united we stand divided we fall, one at a time!
James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com
9 comments:
The US and NATO walked into a trap in Afghanistan. A military invasion without a clear definition of goals or exit strategy, let alone "victory", is doomed to failure by its own lack of terms.
So, by staying we perpetuate a constant unwinnable battle. That is slow defeat by stalemate. The only possible way to "win" is to stop the war and cut our losses.
That will happen only when we are devastated economically at home and too broke to fund the operations.
That is our exit strategy.
Dave
I am telling you man, this is unfriggenbelievable! Many thought things would get better under Obama but forget it.
We were wrong about nothing and because of the fiasco Bush set up here and around the world that will be playing out beyond our control for generation's to come it is just getting worse and worse and the worst is yet to come but that is tomorrows subject.
I know most do not realize it but as far as the Taliban, Islamists, or maybe Islam as a whole, this battle is barely getting under way.
Our only chance is to get the entire remainder of the world to realize all their ways of life are over unless they come together and deal with this.
Everything in totality is barely just beginning and the worst thanks to Bush is yet to come despite anyone's rhetoric and Obama's efforts!
Empires seldom fade gracefuly, never gladly.
Afghanistan is where Empires since the Bronze Age have gone to fail.
Why would anyone think it would stop now?
And why would people NOT fear that the USer Empire, in collapse, might decide to take the planet with it. It is the first Empire which possessed the power to do so.
Woody
Welcome! I don't know where but I just saw your Empire statement somewhere!
Afghanistan is the land of the Empire Graveyard.
The entire world has to get involved in this or we are all in trouble because they will be next!
They will not stop and want Iran too which I did not know. This like our 2nd Greater Depression is barely just beginning!
God seperated the Sons of Noah at Babel for a reason. If the Taliban, or any other group, chooses Sharia Law, it is NONE of our business. We have no right being in Afghanistan dictating what form of government they use. It's funny how we seem to have no trouble supporting people like Pinochet or the House of Saud, or any of dozens of other petty dictators. If the Taliban were willing to give Western Big Oil whatever they wanted, we would have no problem with Sharia Law or any other government they wanted. Bottom line: Americans are hypocrites.
Peoples and cultures differ. What works for some, is disaster for others. Water seeks it's own level, we cannot change that, no matter how hard we may try.
This is NOT a war between Islam and Christianity. If it was, you'd see more evidence of it in the West. This is a war by the West to steal the resources of the invaded countries, mainly oil and water.
As I said in our phone conversation the other day, bin Laden has said from the very beginning, what they want is for the West (America) to get their military off of Muslum land. Notice that he didn't say 'Christians or Westerners', he said American Military.
The world is not our oyster, nor the pearls therein. We need to get out, and get out now.
I heard Obama's BS about the 'success' in Iraq. Iraq is in worse shape now than the day we illegally invaded it. There is no success in Iraq, unless you speak of the 'success' of draining the US Treasury into the coffers of the already obscenely rich. Even if Iraq were to become the 51st state tomorrow, it would not be worth the sacrifice of over 5,000 American(including contractors) and 1,000,000 Iraqi lives.
What America should be preparing for is the wrath of God, not what the Taliban are doing in Afghanistan.
May God have mercy on us, but I doubt it.
There's a lot more to this than what appears in the news. First consider the history of Afghanistan. It never was a governed country but a loose knit collection of tribes until we backed the Taliban against the Russians. That's been the practice of the U.S. for decades to back the most powerfull group or leader (remember we backed Hussein in his fight against Iran in the 80s). The problem with Pakistan is that a lot of the border population look at the Taliban as heros because they ran off the Russians. Masharif was able to momentarily keep everything in check with U.S. funding but even he couldn't maintain that power forever.
This isn't about Islam or any other idology or religion. This is about maintaining a base in the region and the protection of oil and finding Bin Ladin.
In Vietnam it was about chromium until as you might have noticed they quit making cars with massive chrome. We backed a dictator there as well.
In the end we're going to have to do some heavy negotiations with Iran Russia and yes even the Taliban at some point.
Demeur-
Finding bin Laden is the last thing on their minds. It would put a crimp on their never-ending war on terror. They had him boxed in at Tora Bora and let him go. Ever wonder why????
Brother
We have no right dictating what the Taliban follows as long as they leave us alone. That is all I care about.
We agree that all Bib Laden ever wanted was for us to get off their land but you know these idiots will never do that
This did not start out as a Religious war but even though we do not like it, it will end up that way!
Demeur
Our intervention has always bitten us in the rear and this will be no exception! Welcome by the way!
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