Thursday, April 14, 2011

expanded coalition firepower by hardware and role: Pictures and details look great on paper but we want to see it make a difference!

Libya crisis mapped

Doha, Qatar: NATO, Arab and African ministers met with Libya’s rebels here on Wednesday in a show of support for insurgents who are seeking to overthrow Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi against a backdrop of division over the pace of coalition air attacks on pro-Qaddafi forces

expanded coalition firepower by hardware and role Pictures and details look great on paper but we want to see it make a difference!

Tripoli does not feel like a city at war. There has been no sight or sound of bombing or anti-aircraft fire for the best part of a week. Libya's capital is isolated, and the future is uncertain. They better start going after Tripoli and the source if they want to make a difference and do it relentlessly and consistently.

Britain called on Wednesday for a temporary financial mechanism to be set up to help pay for public sector costs in rebel-held areas of Libya.

Rebels are selling their oil now,let them use the oil money. Secure more areas, more money for more sounds like motivation for the rebels to fight and retain, not to expect us to do it. Sounds like a win win to me.

Nothing has changed and it will not unless thy whoever they are start hitting Tripoli the heart of the problem, the AU gets serious about getting rid of their benefactor Gaddafi, the Arabs get more involved, and the French get involved on the ground if they care so much because Britain won't do it and we can not.

We are looking at arming these rebels who turn around and run at the drop of a hat it seems. What is the guarantee that they are going to stand their ground and fight for their lives? They seem more like cry babies blaming everything on NATO and the west. They want us to do their fighting for them. They know the ruthless killer that is Gaddafi, they should have known he would not step down and they would have to fight to the death as he slaughtered their people.

We can't do this again. So far I am on Obama's side, I think he, NATO, the Arabian's and the AU have done the right thing. They did not wait during a year of slaughter as Clinton did in the Balkans, Obama did not go full bore and unilaterally as Bush did. It is already obvious that the no fly zone is a failure without the US running it. We can not get dragged into this further. We must get out now and the rebels must fight the good fight or die. We can not do this for them and Gaddafi is never going to step aside nor will his sons give up what they think is theirs.

Any way you look at it Kaddafi is no Mubarak and Egypt's army is not the army of blood thirsty mercenaries Kaddafi's Billions buys. They aren't going to be able to take out Gaddafi. He is going to keep slaughtering the "rats" The no fly zone stopped working when we handed it to the Brits and French though they seem to be doing better now the Bgabgo is capture and they can focus on Libya though I understand Gaddafi's forces are still flying and killing rebels.

I just see no way in hell that Moamar, Saif, or any of the Gaddafi men are going to go anywhere. I believe we screwed up again unless France takes control on the ground.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma


Ranch Chimp said...

Whatever the President move's on this, it will have no impact on my next voting for him. We build these dictator's then hear all this whining about humanitarianism (not just Libya, this crap is endless, I wrote too much about this) then we build these forces, supply them with food, shelter, arm's, paycheck's, etc, then year's down the road we get burned. And I know my thought's are not popular, and many may even see me as a racist, which is fine, it's just my opinion, race and culture frankly dont mean a damn thing to me, any more than dog's being in different pack's and different color's or any other species. I remember year's back in the 70's, we were training all them Iranian pilot's or such, then a few year's later they took American's hostage, etc, etc ... my wife and now brother in law who is Iranian (his son, my nephew, is the one who is a USMC Sgt, who toured Iraq) both lived there, and my wife was detained robbed and sexually assaulted by the Iranian opposition, then fled to Germany (she was a gvmnt to gvmnt babysitter for an American CIA guy who had a business in Iran) ... my brother in law managed to get out (he was born and raised in Tehran), but his passport marked and logged, he could never go back to Iran, so when he see's his brother's or dad, he had to meet them in Spain or elsewhere's, he married in America, I met my wife in Jersey where she lived ( I was visiting familia in Brooklyn), and invited her to Texas to visit, etc. But many of these countries to get back to the topic, have some deep internal problem's socially and politically, I am humanitarian to a degree, and realize we have a Geneva obligation to cater to humanitarian effort's, but my issue is as I posted sarcastically, at least tell us taxpayer's the "truth", dont feed us bullshit about the success, and we are only acting as a Salvation Army type crew, and every other country is running it and paying for it, only because ya'll are on a roll to cut every goddamn social and public service in our country, fire teacher's, etc, etc ... and then tell us we have to give what little we have left out of love to these countries who we secretly support their dictator's and build them, who cant get their shit together if you gave them a manual on "how to" ... and year's later spit on our flag, chant death to America, call our women whore's and slut's, etc, etc. Another thing, where is the corporate financial support for these land's they drill petro from till the cow's come home, after all ... it's their investment's that need protection, eh? This is all bullshit to me, but I'll shut the Hell up AP. Thanx

an average patriot said...

RC it will never end until we do and? As far as I am concerned we are responsible for the entire mess in the middle east and Africa. We supported the dictators as long as they did our bidding. We also gave Pakistan and Iran their first nuclear power in the 50's in a program titled Atoms for peace

We screwed Africa because of the Berlin conference in the 19th century

Dave Dubya said...

If the no-fly zone won't help the rebels enough to get their act together, they are doomed to failure. The revolt is either supported or not supported by the people. Time for them to decide to win, or leave.

Ranch Chimp said...

Thanx for the link's AP ... as far as "we do and?" ... heh, heh, heh, heh, heh :) ... I like many have solution's, it's just not going to materialize because their unpopular, so I dont sweat any of it much. I'm a simple guy AP, I'm the kind of guy when I was at the job folk's came to when they had problem's ... in the printing industry for instance, when the computer's were down on a rush job, and the graphic artist's sat around as if their programme went blank with their mind's and sat on their thumb's ... I would run to the back roll up my sleeve's and figure out a way to monkey rig the project without the computer and meet that deadline I promised my customer, so I didnt have to make an excuse later, it's called competitive thinking and strategies. When my van broke down at 2am in the middle of the desert 100 miles east of El Paso on the way back from LA and I had a half a dozen children in it, car's stopped on the road to tell me the nearest town is 40 mile's and were doomed because all the car and part's shop's are closed on sunday. I took the jug's of drinking water to replenish the radiator and sealed the hose bust with duct tape and a few other odd's and end's ... but no ... I wouldnt sit there and wait either, I could go on and on ... you get my point. I believe in getting the JOB done guy, no matter WHAT that JOB is. And if something dont work, I try something else, I dont rehash the same ole same, again and again and scratch my head later wondering why? and whining ... "Whoa is me". When I see that I can no longer bank on the trust I had at a time with any associate ... I walk and dis- associate, I like to associate with leader's, NOT follower's or people that are pop culture driven. We lack this in our gvmnt, we lack integrity, "true" elitist's, and think of elite as a crook with money they got for nothing. These nation's who "f" us, I would tell them straight out ... I dont want to be in your country, or tell you what to do, and if we cant get along and have common interest's, I dont want your resource's or business, period, have your bomb's and defense, if you attack us ... I will retalite with extreme prejudice. I know damn well as I posted time and again that we didnt have to bail out like we did a couple year's back, would it have had a bad ripple effect? of course it would, we are having also a bad effect after we did, as I posted we would as well. I am a true capitalist ... these two big to fail icon's would be allowed to fail and drown under my wayz. Nor will I give all my charity abroad when folk's at home need it ... how can we help other's or even set an example unless we start at home and set an example? We are liar's now as you put it, more than ever, we lack strength, integrity, unity, vision long and short, the list is endless. Any of these countries who shit on my flag after I helped them, and call our women whore's and our nation a pack of infidel's, I frankly dont give a shit if they all kill each other. But .... that's just my opinion AP.

Thanx Guy ....

Demeur said...

A couple of points. You'd think that with the tech we have in this country that we could pinpoint a person from outer space and eliminate him with a drone. Gadaffy has been parading around Tripoli like a rock star on tour for the last several weeks. Okay I know it's not U.S. policy to take out foreign leaders (or not).
And nothing on what's going on in Bahrain. Funny how one group is called the good guys while the Saudis with our help are raining terror on a group doing the exact same thing.
Keep your eyes peeled on Ethiopia and Eritrea. Those will be your next hot spots. I have a little background info on the real story there.

an average patriot said...

That's right Dave they want us to do it while they play at war to look good. We have to go after Tripoli in earnest. I was just listening to Gaddafi's bitch daughter. while loyalist forces flew around the city. What the hell is that in a no fly zone?

an average patriot said...

I agree RC! Never fail to adapt overcome and move on no exception!

an average patriot said...

You know Demeur I am all for dropping a MOAB or a 30,000 pound bunker buster designed to dig 7 or 8 levels underground before exploding right in the middle of Gaddafi's 4 acre compound.

I was just listening to Gaddafi's bitch daughter speaking in Tripoli and Gaddafi hiding in a car while Loyalist planes circled overhead. What the hell is that in a no fly?

I agree with you but unless Gaddafi shows his face outside of a car roof I don't know how they can ID him.