Saturday, October 20, 2007

My original goal: Religious intolerance, governance by Religion and its role in End of Days theories but too much input makes me leave it to you!

This morning I was lying in bed listening to the idiot Presidential hopefuls on the right talk about how important Religion is to them and how it would influence their Presidency. Knowing how important it is to the current liar in chief I am sickened.
Seeing what perverted Christianity has done to our America and knowing a separation of church and state is absolutely necessary and Bush has proven it, I was disgusted to hear Thompson cater to the Religious wrong I mean right and sickeningly say the first thing he would do upon entering the White House would be to kneel down and pray. I am sickened, as a little kid I learned to keep my mouth shut on the street and I learned in Church that you keep your beliefs to yourself. You lead by example. If I remember correctly Christ taught that you live by example, you don't brag about your Religion.

Then with perverted Religion on the other side of this still developing world war scenario I was listening to the updates on events in Pakistan being credited to Muslim extremists and that the hundreds killed and wounded at Bhutto's rally was followed up last night by more killings against tolerance and equality.
I remembered how on another site I contributed to there were some right wing fanatics who said the End of days was coming and that they were ready was I? I am ready for anything but I have children and Grandchildren I would like to see enjoy a nice life though thanks to Bush I do not see that nor do I see them enjoying what we did. I now believe that growing up in the 50s and 60s we saw the best America has to offer. think about what being an American got you? It's overwhelming, the difference.
Anyway, I started thinking about this prevalent Religious extremism and wondered what role that played in these End of Days Theories. I started to research them and this one hit me. First, you must stand on the rock of Christianity as you see every damn Politician doing! Then, "About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up, who will turn their attention to the prophecies, in the midst of much clamor and opposition." - Sir Isaac Newton
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in diverse places. Matthew 24:7
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luke 21:25-26

We are about to enter a time like no other time, a time that no man has ever seen, a time like no other time in the history of the world. This time was foretold thousands of years in advance by the ancient prophets of the Bible, a time of unbelievable destruction and unfathomable devastation. It will be a difficult and downright perilous time, we are about to enter the END TIMES...

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. Timothy 3:1-5

The more one knows about what the Bible says about the "End Times," and the more one stays informed on what is presently going on in this world, the more one realizes that we are being plunged into a period of time which the Bible says more than it does about any other period in human history. Read more With 1,980, ooo theories I thought if you were curious you could check out Other prophesies Anyway, I have to believe that Bush is as stupid as he looks and sounds but that he is purposely trying to fulfill the Prophesy. I have always thought that Ahmadinejad on his end was doing the same thing. Now that I know Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani, has resigned from his post, state-run news agency IRNA quoted a government spokesman as saying on Saturday.
Larijani's position as secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council gave him the responsibility of representing his country in talks with the international community concerning Iran's controversial nuclear program. Although Larijani held a hard line view on the nuclear standoff between Iran and the West, analysts say he was a more moderate figure than President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. That frees Ahmadinejad to be even more provocative in the drive for war that is increasingly stacked in his favor.

Then I hear that Iran is capable of firing 11,000 rockets into enemy bases within the first minute after any possible attack, state-run television quoted a top Revolutionary Guards Corps commander as saying Saturday. Gen. Mahmoud Chaharbaghi, the missile commander of the Guards, said Iran has identified all enemy positions and was prepared to respond in less than a minute to any possible attack.
"Enemy bases and positions have been identified. ... The Guards ground force will fire 11,000 rockets into identified enemy positions within the first minute of any aggression against the Iranian territory," the television quoted Chaharbaghi as saying. Chaharbaghi did not specifically identify the bases or the enemy and did not refer to arch foes Israel or the United States by name. But the U.S. has 40,000 troops on various U.S. bases in other Persian Gulf countries and 20,000 in Mideast waters. Another 160,000 U.S. troops are in neighboring Iraq and about 25,000 are in another one of Iran's neighbors, Afghanistan.

Iran's semiofficial Fars news agency also quoted Chaharbaghi as saying that Iran's radar-avoiding rockets cover the entire Persian Gulf and the entire Iran-Iraq border. Please read on

Anyway you look at it I have to believe these are steps towards war and that announcing the missiles is a mere provocation by an increasingly emboldened Ahmadinejad. Knowing the fragility of the planet and the horror of today's weapons I have to believe that there is a concerted effort to bring about the end of Days! What are your thoughts?

James Joiner
Gardner Ma


Larry said...

Look who is helping finance Hillary:

In the Clintons' pursuit of power, there is no such thing as a strange bedfellow. One recently exposed inamorata was Norman Hsu, the mysterious businessman from Hong Kong who brought in $850,000 to Hillary Clinton's campaign before being unmasked as a fugitive. Her campaign dismissed Hsu as someone who'd slipped through the cracks of an otherwise unimpeachable system for vetting donors, and perhaps he was. The same cannot be said for the notorious financier Alan Quasha, whose involvement with Clinton is at least as substantial--and still under wraps.

Political junkies will recall Quasha as the controversial figure who bailed out George W. Bush's failing oil company in 1986, folding Bush into his company, Harken Energy, thus setting him on the path to a lucrative and high-profile position as an owner of the Texas Rangers baseball team, and the presidency. The persistently unprofitable Harken--many of whose board members, connected to powerful foreign interests and the intelligence community, nevertheless profited enormously--faced intense scrutiny in the early 1990s and again during Bush's first term.

Now Quasha is back--on the other side of the aisle. Operating below the radar, he entered Hillary Clinton's circle even before she declared her candidacy by quietly arranging for the hire of Clinton confidant and longtime Democratic Party money man Terry McAuliffe at one of his companies. During the interregnum between McAuliffe's chairmanship of the Democratic Party and the time he officially joined Clinton's campaign, Quasha's firm set McAuliffe up with a salary and opened a Washington office for him.

Just a few years earlier, McAuliffe had publicly criticized Bush for his financial dealings with Harken, disparaging the company's Enron-like accounting. Yet in 2005 McAuliffe accepted this cushy perch with Quasha's newly acquired investment firm, Carret Asset Management, and even brought along former Clinton White House business liaison Peter O'Keefe, who had been his senior aide at the Democratic National Committee. McAuliffe remained with the company until he became national chair of Hillary's presidential bid, and O'Keefe never left. McAuliffe's connection to Quasha has, until now, never been noted.

Another strong link between Quasha and Clinton is Quasha's business partner, Hassan Nemazee, a top Hillary fundraiser who was trotted out to defend her during the Hsu episode--in which the clothing manufacturer was unmasked as a swindler who seemingly funneled illegal contributions through "donors" of modest means.

In June, by liquidating a blind trust, the Clintons sought to distance themselves from any financial entanglements that might embarrass the campaign. Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson argued that the couple had gone "above and beyond" what was legally required "in order to avoid even the hint of a conflict of interest." But throughout their political careers, Bill and Hillary Clinton have repeatedly associated with people whose objectives seemed a million miles from "a place called Hope." Among these Alan Quasha and his menagerie--including Saudi frontmen, a foreign dictator, figures with intelligence ties and a maze of companies and offshore funds--stand out.

"That Hillary Clinton's campaign is involved with this particular cast of characters should give people pause," says John Moscow, a former Manhattan prosecutor. In the late 1980s and early '90s he led the investigation of the corrupt Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) global financial empire--a bank whose prominent shareholders included members of the Harken board. "Too many of the same names from earlier troubling circumstances suggests a lack of control over who she is dealing with," says Moscow, "or a policy of dealing with anyone who can pay."

Ideology does not seem to be the principal issue driving either Quasha or Nemazee. Nemazee backed the likes of archconservative Republican senators Jesse Helms, Sam Brownback and Al D'Amato before moving aggressively into the Democratic camp. Quasha, frequently identified as a Republican fundraiser, gave to both Bush and Al Gore in 2000 and so far in the 2008 race has given to Republicans Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani as well as Democrats Barack Obama and Chris Dodd, in addition to Hillary Clinton. But Quasha's concerted efforts to get into Clinton's inner circle are reminiscent of his relationship with a pre-Governor Bush.

A student at Harvard's business school at the same time as Bush, Quasha was a little-known New York lawyer when he took over the small Abilene-based Harken Oil in 1983, using millions from offshore accounts held in the name of family members. Quasha's now-deceased father, Manila-based attorney William Quasha, was known for his close friendship with Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos and his ties to US intelligence; he was also a member of the "Eagles Club" of major GOP contributors.

In 1986 Alan Quasha embraced a struggling George W. Bush, rescuing his failing Spectrum 7 oil company, folding it into Harken Energy and providing Bush with a directorship, more than $600,000 in stock and options and a consulting contract initially valued at $80,000 a year (which was raised in 1989 to $120,000). The financial setup allowed Bush to devote most of his time to the presidential campaign of his father, a former CIA director who as Vice President was the Reagan Administration's overseer of a massive outsourcing of covert intelligence operations, and who had his own warm relationship with Marcos.

Harken's financials were famously complicated. Reporters from top publications like the Wall Street Journal, Time and Fortune went at Harken with zest, but they ultimately failed to unravel all its labyrinthine activities. In 2003 Harken was described in the trade publication Platts Energy Economist as "a toxic waste dump for bad deals, with a strong odor of US intelligence spookery and chicanery about it." Indeed, the company was kept afloat by an all-star cast of financiers with ties to BCCI, Saudi intelligence, the South African apartheid regime, Marcos and the Shah of Iran. The company perennially lost money for ordinary investors while benefiting insiders like Bush, Quasha and Nemazee. Indeed, Harken has lost money nearly every year since Bush's days there, piling up cumulative losses in the hundreds of millions.

Nevertheless, in 1990, when the Dallas Times Herald ranked Harken fifth on its list of worst-performing local firms, the tiny oil refiner beat out the giant exploration company Amoco for an offshore drilling contract in Bahrain that was potentially worth billions. As George W. Bush biographer Bill Minutaglio wrote, "Oil analysts were stunned that bottom-feeding Harken...could hook such a meaty international contract...not only hadn't Harken drilled overseas, it had never drilled in water. Speculation immediately surged that it was because Bahrain wanted to do business with the son of the U.S. president."

Bush appeared to benefit from insider trading when he sold two-thirds of his stock in Harken at a peak price after the Bahrain deal--and just before news emerged that the company had failed to find oil and its share price plummeted. He also failed to report his sale of company stock on time, leading many to believe that he had something to hide. Immediately after a 1991 Wall Street Journal article detailing Bush's involvement with Harken, the SEC launched an investigation, but unsurprisingly, with George H.W. Bush in the White House, it came to nothing. The Journal article speculated that there was more to the picture:

What does emerge is a complex pattern of personal and financial relationships behind Harken's sudden good fortune in the Middle East, raising the question of whether Bahrainis or others in the Middle East may have hoped to ingratiate themselves with the White House. Even more intriguing, there are numerous links among Harken, Bahrain and individuals close to the discredited Bank of Credit & Commerce International, a banking empire that used Mideast oil money to seek ties to political leaders in several countries.

Thanks to his income from Harken, Bush was able to become managing partner of the Texas Rangers--a glamorous and highly visible sinecure that would eventually earn him nearly $15 million and make him a credible front-runner for the Texas governorship. This rescue and makeover of a ne'er-do-well son was a key step in W.'s path to political power.

Quasha's Clinton play began in 2003, when he bought Carret Asset Management, a once-revered private equity investment firm that manages nearly $2 billion in assets. Its founder, Philip Carret, a Wall Street legend and hero of Warren Buffett, died in 1998; the firm was sold twice

before Quasha bought it for a song. Some were troubled when they learned the identity of the new owner. "I was horrified that he was going to hide behind my family's name," says Renee Carret, a longtime executive at the firm whose grandfather started the company in 1963. When Quasha took over, she resigned. "I just personally didn't want to be affiliated with him. There were too many questions that were left unanswered."

As his co-chair in the private firm, Quasha chose his old friend Nemazee, a fellow Harken investor. By the time of the Carret acquisition, Nemazee, a founding member of the Iranian-American Political Action Committee whose family was close with the late Shah of Iran, had become a significant fundraiser for the Clintons and the Democratic Party. In 1995 he raised money for the DNC. In 1998, in the midst of the Lewinsky affair, Nemazee collected $60,000 for Bill Clinton's legal defense fund in $10,000 increments from relatives and friends. Clinton subsequently nominated Nemazee as ambassador to Argentina but withdrew the nomination after an article in Forbes raised questions about Nemazee's business dealings in the 1980s and '90s--which noted that the American-born Nemazee magically became "Hispanic" by acquiring Venezuelan citizenship because of a requirement that certain California public pension funds be run by minorities.

Failure to be named ambassador did not, however, hamper Nemazee's rise within the Democratic Party. By 2004 he was New York finance chair for John Kerry's campaign, and in 2006 he served under Senator Chuck Schumer as the national finance chair of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC)--a period during which the committee raised about $25 million more than its Republican counterpart. This past March Nemazee, at the behest of McAuliffe, threw a dinner for Hillary at Manhattan's swank Cipriani restaurant, which featured Bill Clinton and raised more than $500,000.

The exact nature of McAuliffe's duties at Carret is unclear, and Quasha, Carret and McAuliffe all declined to answer The Nation's questions on this matter. But McAuliffe seems to have served, at least occasionally, as a good will ambassador for Quasha's business operations. He brought Wang Tianyi, head of a formerly state-owned Chinese firm and a business associate of Quasha's, to meet with Bill Clinton. And Quasha has visited the ex-President at his Harlem office over the past several years, according to Joe Wozny, former president of a Carret affiliate. Wozny recalls that Quasha "was up there quite a few times, meeting with Bill Clinton." As for that Washington office, the Carret website says only that it specialized in providing "information regarding products and services for institutions."

But the office seems to have benefited McAuliffe--and Hillary Clinton. When McAuliffe stepped down as DNC chair in February 2005, he said he planned to hit the lecture circuit and spend more time with his family. He may have done both, but he did so as vice chair of Carret from the new company office on the seventh floor of the venerable McPherson Building, once the home of the John Kerry campaign and just off K Street's lobbyist gulch. Simon Rosenberg's New Democrat Network, where Mark Penn, chief pollster and strategist for Hillary's campaign, has served as a fellow, was housed next door to McAuliffe and O'Keefe.

While there, McAuliffe found time to pen his memoir, What a Party!, his paean to the Clintons and his role in raising record amounts of money for them and the party. Yet the memoir itself, for which he earned a seven-figure advance, makes no mention of Carret or his role as its vice chair.

Three people working in nearby suites said they remembered McAuliffe and O'Keefe working out of the office, but none of them remembered the Carret name. Nor did any of them have any idea what McAuliffe was doing as Quasha's vice chair. One person who visited McAuliffe in the suite recalled that he was working on his book but said he was unaware of the official function of the office. "Terry holds his cards pretty close on his business activities," he said.

According to another visitor, McAuliffe was using his time to lay the groundwork for Hillary's long-anticipated presidential bid. With McAuliffe leading Clinton's ravenous fundraising operation, the possibility that Carret's Washington office was opened up, at least in part, to serve just such a function is bolstered by the fact that Carret opened the office only after hiring McAuliffe--and closed it down once he left. During that period, though no Clinton campaign committee yet existed, there were signs that he was already operating on her behalf. In 2005 he appeared on CNN's Crossfire, where the former Democratic chief did not bother to feign neutrality in the primaries: "Personally, I hope she runs," he said. "We would be lucky if she did run, I'll tell you that." In 2006 he kept one foot in Clintondom as a member of the Clinton Global Initiative, an organization whose membership is primarily by invitation to elite business leaders. Wang, whose China International Industry and Commerce partnered with Carret soon after McAuliffe joined the company, was also named to the initiative in 2006.

Meanwhile, during McAuliffe's employment at Carret, Quasha himself donated large sums to the DSCC. He gave $26,700 in June 2006 and $25,000 that October and also personally contributed $4,600, the maximum allowed, to the Hillary Clinton presidential exploratory committee.

Since his start as a young fundraiser on Carter's 1980 re-election campaign, McAuliffe has consistently melded politics, policy and private enterprise. By the time he was 30, he had launched a dozen companies, his own law firm and numerous venture capital companies. Perhaps his most controversial association was with the telecommunications company Global Crossing, where McAuliffe managed to turn a $100,000 personal investment into an $18 million windfall. After McAuliffe sold his shares and got out, the company collapsed; nearly 10,000 employees lost their jobs, and investors lost $54 billion. McAuliffe defended the firm's top executives, who were close with both the Bushes and Clintons, but went on to attack President Bush for similar patterns at Harken.

At a DNC meeting in Las Vegas in 2002, McAuliffe spoke about the recent collapse of Enron and questioned whether Bush could "restore confidence to Wall Street when he has engaged in the same practices he condemns today," a reference to Bush's Harken profiteering. That same year, associates of McAuliffe, fronted by a fake grassroots organization, released an aggressive ad campaign seeking to highlight the Harken-Bush connection.

It is not surprising, then, to learn that neither McAuliffe's connection to Carret nor Quasha's role in the firm have been widely publicized. Carret employees said they were surprised that when Quasha acquired the prestigious firm he did not choose to publicize his coup, instead keeping it quiet. In fact, the company's website does not reveal his role as chair--or much of anything about the firm. The company's chief financial officer, Marco Vega, said he was unable to provide details on Quasha's role in the company, or even to confirm his current title.

The silence is deafening. Repeated requests for interviews on this topic were ignored or rebuffed by the offices of Hillary Clinton's campaign, Bill Clinton, Alan Quasha, Hassan Nemazee, Terry McAuliffe and Peter O'Keefe. McAuliffe's spokeswoman, Tracy Sefl, who works for the Clinton-connected communications firm the Glover Park Group but represents McAuliffe informally, said that McAuliffe would not grant an interview or respond to detailed e-mailed questions on these matters. Sefl minimized McAuliffe's involvement with the company, claiming he was only "an adviser to Carret--as he was to many other companies."

But a vice chair is much more than just an adviser, and Carret's opening an office off K Street was not a casual gesture. Notably, though the DC office was closed after McAuliffe left for Hillary's campaign, McAuliffe protégé O'Keefe has stayed on as Carret's managing director for marketing--providing Quasha with an ongoing pipeline to the Clinton operation.

With an international man of mystery like Quasha, it's nigh impossible to definitively identify his endgame. But one thing he seems to have a stake in is free rein for hedge funds--and preservation of the low rate at which their profits are taxed.

In 2005, while McAuliffe was on his payroll, Quasha traveled to Bermuda to speak at the MARHedge World Wealth Summit, which addressed the topic "Hedge Fund Management in a Perilous Investment Climate." McAuliffe, too, weighed in on the well-being of hedge funds as the featured speaker at a 2006 investors' conference of the Carret unit Brean Murray, Carret & Co., where, according to advance publicity material, he planned to address the "current political debate in Washington, DC and its impact on Wall Street and the status of potential further hedge fund regulation." Also indicative of an interest in influencing hedge fund policy is the presence on Carret's International Advisory Board of Philippa Malmgren, who served as George W. Bush's liaison to the financial markets, and who often speaks and writes on politics and policy related to hedge funds.

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Hillary Clinton, whose daughter, Chelsea, works for a hedge fund run by a prominent Democratic donor--came in second only to Joe Lieberman in cash raised from hedge fund managers during the 2006 election cycle. She has belatedly and reluctantly joined other presidential candidates in calling for a change in the law so that fund managers would pay taxes at the same rate as everybody else. Clearly, her supporters among hedge fund figures have much to gain by electing a President who feels Wall Street's pain.

Whatever Carret's overall objectives, the company is on the march. "We've taken the Brean Murray and the Carret platforms and expanded them into China, India, Eastern Europe and Russia, and we will be doing so in Latin America as well," Nemazee said in a 2006 interview with Leaders magazine.

While Quasha & Co. keep an eye on hedge fund regulation, they also appear to be helping the repressive Chinese government keep an eye on its own people. Brean Murray, Carret recently acted as the sole placement agent in an $8 million deal with the Shenzhen-based China Security and Surveillance Technology. China Security won a contract last year from the quasi-governmental Shenzhen Cyber Café Association to install video monitoring systems for more than 1,000 local Internet cafes, popular outlets for criticism of the regime. A Brean Murray, Carret press release celebrates its cooperation with the clampdown: "the estimated 2.19 million registered entertainment halls in China must purchase video-monitoring systems covering entrances, exits and main corridors. The Company is actively pursuing similar opportunities within the other provinces of China."

And we are supposed to believe she is against Bush's war!

Larry said...


Check out the article from Slate magazine from this link. It tells how Bush may install MartialLaw and his continued rule.

Lengthy article but one you will find of interest.

an average patriot said...

You're unbelievable. Someday your going to have to tell me where you get all this information.
You know, there are no morals regardless of party, only if you are casught then all of a sudden you get morals.
I don't think Hillary is any more righteous than all these other underhanded Politicians. It seems like negative funding sources are cropping up every day.
I know she is everyones target now and so should she. If she had half a brain she would have one person whose sole job is to go through and check every damn one of the donors out.
I really don't think any of them care. When they are caught like the chief idiot they just claim stupidity.

an average patriot said...

Interesting Larry
The excuses are beginning to pile up. I don't know what excuse he will use but they are adding up and he will do it period. When I first started telling people this they laughed at me and called me paranoid. Just one of the reasons I do not write too often on kos these days. Anyway today they call it being and enlightened realist.

Larry said...


I know you aren't paranoid, but wise for seeing the reality to come.

If you notice many are in our blogging circle that have many of the same beliefs on this that we do.

Lydia just asked me yesterday if I thought you were right, since so many are saying it.

It's catching on, we just have to keep spreading the truth.

an average patriot said...

Larry I am honored. No I am not paranoid. I think it might be natural and heightened from growing up in the streets but I can see the truth whether I am lied to or not and act accordingly.
I knew there were a lot of trolls at kos and I use to just deal with them. however, when they got to Anon I was peeved.Even at kos they used to call me a pessmist but now they call me a realist unless it is a troll that calls me a conspiracy theorist.
Today a conspiracy theorist is someone that speaks the truth as you know and the real conspiratists are afraid the truth will be found out.
I hate for someone like Lydia to find out the truth but our future is dependent on people waking up and hopefully someone that will be listened too will start speaking the truth.
Anyway I know damn well we are 100% right, no doubt.i also know it is too late now as Bush will not stop or be stopped. I have said it for years now but their have been events set in motion around the world that are beyond our controll and will not be quelled with diplomacy.
You saw Nader's video. Olver is my Rep and I told him that a million times. I am bothered that he would say that and not let it be known. People have to be woken up to the true horror of Bush as they had to of Hitler!

Larry said...


Here is a good blog that featured the topic of World war III today. She has many different blogs intertwined with lots of topics.

Informed Voters

Anok said...

Jim, the End of Days - how odd! I was just reading about that on Thursday. According to some, the End of days was prophesied to begin in 1914, WWI. and it was supposed to continue on until it sends. Interestingly enough, and if you are superstitious and have a thing for numbers, WWIII would be the third (duh) major globe altering war, with devastating effects. Of course, things do happen in threes, don't they? Maybe there is something to it.

On the other hand, I don't really believe in the End of Days - but its something to look at. Just because a prophecy says one thing, it doesn't mean that it can't be part literal, and 100% meaningful, and relevant to the future. Even if its not all true, or exact.

Larry, impressive as always!

two crows said...

hey, AAP--
this is somewhat off-thread -- I hope I may be forgiven for a slight digression:

I got an email from today urging us to support Representative Stark for standing up in the House to denounce Bush for his war crimes and the veto of SCHIP and the compliance of the lapdog Congress.

According to the email, the voice-mailboxes in Congress are full. The only way to let them know we're behind Stark, at the moment, is via email. And the current goal is to fill not only their voice-mailboxes but their email in-boxes as well by the time they return to work on Monday morning.
So, if you didn't receive that email, please write your Representatives and give them a piece of your mind.

And, while you're at it, you might contact Pete Stark at and give him your support. He may really appreciate it-- since Pelosi, in yet another taking-leave-of-her-senses- moment, actually rebuked Stark for telling it like it is.

an average patriot said...

two crows
You're alright! you aren't off message. I talked about him in yesterdays post. The only way to be off message is to not care at all and get off the problems before us and that is not you.
I refuse to believe that Pelosi rebuked Stark. That just shows me she is doing her share to facilitate the nightmare still in progress. Did you see the Ralph Nader video on senator Olver and why no impeachment?
I am so sick of this crap and it appears the entire Government is in on it regardless of party. I will contact Stark and give him my support. He was right on so I thank you.

an average patriot said...

Here you go two crows
Ralph Nader, things are a lot worse than we thought
I have to laugh because Olver is my Rep and I have told him this many times. Things are exactly as we believe.

an average patriot said...

Thanks Larry
I say it all the time but you never cease to amaze me with your information. I don't know whose site that is but I will shortly so thanks. Always looking to converse with someone who sees the truth and keep trying to get it heard.

an average patriot said...

Glad to hear from you! I do not believe in the end of days either but everything is adding up and to me it appears that Bush and others have taken it upon themselves to bring it about.
Things do happen in threes and WW3 is going to happen. It will be earth changing but not earth ending. The queastion is who will be left and will the earth still be life sustaining?

Anok said...

Good questions, ones i have been pondering a bit myself lately. I think in terms of another World War, the third will be the worst. And I will say it will be the worst for the average citizen - not the soldier.

With sophisticated technology, high end (and highly destructive weapons) and the apparent need to spy on individuals - paired with a lack of remorse or forethought about bringing non combatants into a war zone (or vice versa) it is us that will suffer a great deal. Particularly if a state of martial law is enacted, and we are stripped of any real way to defend ourselves.

This isn't the militia times of our founding fathers - no more are citizens considered to be a valuable asset in protecting our country. We have, in many ways become our own country's enemy, and so we will lose, one way or another. This is not promising unless we do something about it now.

I just don't know what will happen, what will hit where, and who will be able to survive. I can say that my husband is a staunch "survivalist" in the sense of catastrophic events happening - and we have trained ourselves somewhat to live independently of society. Self reliance as it were. People thought, and think we are crazy. But what will happen if we no longer have access to electricity? Water? Gas? Grocery stores?

Meh - sorry to get off topic! But sometimes my brain makes these sorts of connections.

an average patriot said...

This war will be the worst ever and not survivable by most. That is part of the plan! I wrote A manifesto to the World a few years back and I do have to update it because I switched computers and everything and have not stopped to update enything as Bush is speeding up his destruction as his time is running short.
I will send it to you if you want. It is 100% right on but I only send it to those that can handle the truth.
Anyway I won't get carried away now because this is a very long subject.
I have a coupe of sons who are lifers, one EOD another flying and if they survive Bush's wars I tell them they are better off than us. They are part of the plan for the future.
We no longer matter! You better fear Blackwater and those FEMA concentration camps. We are the enemy as we oppose Bush's new order. He needs so called terrorists to fuel his plan.
Anyway in the end as you see, the military and the Government will be protected and together start over from scratch on a smaller scale.
What no one seems to care about is that this planet will not be able to sustain life so that makes you think end of days but not quite.
Anyway, I don't know what Meh is but you are not off topic. You are right on! You happen to be talking to a survivalist.
I need nothing and can get by on the same.Another very long subject! You might laugh but I trained my sons as kids to make a place to live under ground and they have built some amazing places.
I always grew my own food and raised and butchered all my own meat so I have the knowledge when needed. When I got out of the service in the 70s I was asked to go to California to start a commune but didn't. Oh well!
You and your brain keep making those connections and stay in touch. We will all need ourselves someday I firmly believe and it is not far off.

Nightshift said...

I agree with your article on the sickness of religion with the political candidates. Christ didn't say we should keep our faith private though, but he did say we shouldn't profess it in order to be seen by people.

We should share our faith but not as they have done.

I also want to comment on Matthew 24 as being viewed as prophecy for our future.

This prophecy was fulfilled in 70 AD and is actually two fold. The first part is talking about the destruction of the temple, and has nothing to do with Christians in the 21st century. The second coming is talked about in the second coming whereby no signs will be given upon Christ's return and if you are faithful no signs are needed.

Enjoyed the article.

an average patriot said...

Thanks night shift!
I didn't mean to keep it to yourself but to lead by example not to say you must be a Christian or you're screwed. It is interesting what you said and really makes you think! Glad you enjoyed the article, stay in touch!