Tuesday, August 14, 2007

Despite "the Surge" and Maliki's futile emergency summit Bush's imposed Iraqi Government will fail then engulf the middle east! Then?

Iraq's prime minister appeared to clear the way Monday - with a last-minute push from the U.S. ambassador - for a crisis council that seeks to save his crumbling government. The U.S. military, meanwhile, announced a third major operation since additional U.S. troops arrived and said it would target al-Qaida in Iraq and Iranian-allied Shiite militia fighters nationwide. The sinking fortunes of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and his Shiite-led administration have become something of a second front for Washington.
Al-Maliki's government - a shaky coalition of Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds - has been gutted by boycotts and defections. A full-scale disintegration could touch off power grabs on all sides and seriously complicate U.S.-led efforts to stabilize Iraq.Al-Maliki has struggled over the past days to pull together a summit of Iraq's main religious and ethnic groups. The meeting finally appeared likely after U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker called on Vice President Tariq al-Hashemi, the lone Sunni Arab invited to the talks that are scheduled for Tuesday. Al-Hashemi's attendance had been in question.

A senior American official, who spoke in Baghdad, said the stage was set for major changes in the ``structure, nature and direction of the Iraqi state.'' The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the delicate nature of the planned gathering. Any political changes in Iraq also have reverberations around the region. Iran, the world's most populous Shiite nation, wants Iraq's majority Shiites to remain the leading voice. The Arab world, including heavyweight Saudi Arabia, offer backing to fellow Sunnis in Iraq. The only certainty at the moment, however, is that al-Maliki's 15-month-old governme

I think we can all agree that it was the dead wrong thing Bush did when he diverted from the so called war on terror to attack Iraq not to save Iraqi's from Saddam but to get America's military in the middle east and as I keep saying, he will leave for nothing until he at least attacks Iran and really gets this going.
Iraq is in civil war and many of us believe it will spread throughout the middle east and then really get going. The problem for us is that Bush will stay in the middle of that still developing mess until he can use our forces elsewhere in the area.
If you think only about the larger issue being the so called global war on terror and nothing else, if Bush had unseated Saddam in another fashion as he should have done and pulled out immediately as he should have done, this really could have worked in our favor. We all know Muslims for whatever reason think only their sect and the way they practice their faith is right and acceptable. All other sects including those in their own that do not practice it the way the dominant force thinks they should, should be killed.

We keep saying the Islamists will only concentrate on killing each other once we leave for whatever reason. We talk about the middle east breaking down to Sunni against Shiite and Bush right in the middle attempting to assert his new middle east order. I am not the only one that believes that, we do not want it but this is a war between us and the majority of Islam.
With that in mind we should pull out of Iraq immediately if fighting terrorism was Bush's real goal. We should concentrate on fortifying America for the inevitable. Watching Pakistan, Afghanistan, and too many other parts of the world we know this is still just getting started and our efforts will be needed and better served elsewhere.
Meanwhile, that explosion in the middle east that Bush started if handled right could work out in our favor if we were to leave right now but you know that will not happen. That so called civil war will not be stopped whether we leave today or 100 years from now. We should realize we cannot stop them from killing each other and step back and let them do their thing.
There is nothing we can do now to stop it. Allowing them to do so would keep them busy and save us a lot of unnecessary trouble. Anyway you look at it I think if we took ourselves out of their mix they would merely concentrate on each other instead of trying to get us off their land. I cannot envision them ever getting along with each other if we were not there to give them a reason to come together. The enemy of our enemy is our enemy!

I am always concerned with Pakistan falling apart and those nukes falling into Islamist hands where they would be instantly used on us and our interests and they would be. That aside and Russia and China, I think we have enough on our plate and we should let the civil war commence without us because it would keep them busy for a while. When they are ready they will be following us home regardless of Partisan rhetoric but we would be more ready if we concentrated on America and not Bush's new world order.
Anyway, with the middle east exploding Sunni against Shiite, Pakistan being 77% Sunni 20% Shiite and erupting, Russia and China having their own Muslim problems, Africa, Indonesia, and most of the rest of the world, it seems we would be best served at this point to protect ourselves and sit back and watch Islam fight it out amidst themselves for now.
The middle east break down Bush guaranteed by attacking Iraq will not be stopped despite Maliki's perceived desire. I really believe he is in bed with Iran and Saudi Arabia is behind the so called Iraqi Al Qaeda and there will be no unified Government there. As you know, every step forward is a giant step backward and every success a total failure. With no infrastructure there will be total failure regardless of our efforts What do you think?

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma


Dusty said...

The country will split into three provinces I think. There is no other way to appease all the different factions.

Congrats on your son coming home this month:) Hopefully its his last trip to Iraq.

Larry said...

I think Petraeus and Bush will claim the "surge" is going well, but Malaki is the reason it isn't a total success, say they have to stay and war, get rid of Malaki and "surge" on to further defeat.

an average patriot said...

Thanks Dusty!
With more than 4 years remaining it will not be his last trip to Iraq, Afghanistan or who knows where and what is next.
Anyway I have to laugh. I first had to wonder if you were talking about us or Iraq breaking into 3 factions but you know I agree with you.
I want to delve into that bombing yesterday on the Kurds. Last I heard was 170 dead 200 wounded. This mess will not be stopped and will get a hell of a lot worse then it will encompas the entire middle east before the world thanks to Bush's new world order.

an average patriot said...

I am afraid in the end you are right then this mass will really get going before it encompasses the entire middle east then the world thanks to the chief idiots new world order.
Cancelled elections and martial order will be a fact as Bush just got the okay if he thought our government was in danger. All I can do is shake my head again!

pissed off patricia said...

I agree with Larry. We'll get some empty bs and the war will continue as usual.

an average patriot said...

Oh yeah, Bush is in the middle east for his new order and will leave for nothing until he blows open the middle east.
I just gathered the info to do an update on that. He blames the Kurd bombing on Al Qaeda but I don't think so and he has his excuse to start on Iran.
One thing that I thought of is that with the chief idiot going after both sects now will they unite to go after us and then turn back on theemselves like I have been calling?