Saturday, August 04, 2007

Political rhetoric getting too radical: I agreed with Obama but Tancredo saying Bomb Medina and Mecca?

My God, We are proposing giving Saudi Arabia $20 Billion now we are hearing bomb the holiest shrines of all Islam on their soil too. I know Republicans are stupid enough to think that will send Islamists a message but those fools, that would bind all Islam to see our destruction Period.
In light of my line of conversation in how this so called war on terror is going to play out I thought it was important to discuss what Barack Obama said the other day on the subject of Pakistan. He mentioned something that will be a necessity but does not realize the dire repercussions. I don't know what you think of Obama's stance on fighting terrorism or whether or not it will help or hurt him but let's give this a parsing and then discuss reality. Politicians do not and will not ever see it and it is soon to hit us all.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Wednesday that he would send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists even without local permission if warranted in an attempt to show strength when his chief rival has described his foreign policy skills as naive..
I was listening to his speech being analyzed saying he is brave enough to come forward and say and do something Bush has refused too. I don't have to tell you I am no friend of little Bushie's but I am in the unenviable position of defending just this one little thing.
Knowing how volatile the situation is in Pakistan I am convinced that Bush will attack them if he deems necessary or as he said himself, will go into Pakistan to get terrorists if he knows where they are. I don't know how convicted he is to this and I happen to think they are everywhere but yesterday I discussed the ramifications of funding Saudi Arabia and others to do Bush's ground war against Iran and Syria.I said He will now be free to go after Pakistan and Iran from the Gulf with our carrier and battle Groups while others will be doing the brunt of the fighting and ground combat. Everything is almost prepared. Bush is prepared in the Gulf and we have a seasoned fleet Admiral in command of middle east forces set to lead events while others expend their efforts on Iran.

Anyway this is called brave talk for Obama and I hate to say it but it is right on target but again, no one mentions the repercussions of doing this. The Illinois Senator warned Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf that he must do more to shut down terrorist operations in his country and evict foreign fighters under an Obama presidency, or Pakistan will risk a U.S. troop invasion and losing hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid. I don't have to tell you but this may play good politically but there is no way you could clear out those radical Madrasas and the towns of radicals let alone the fiercely independent mountainous areas. Ask the many who have tried and failed as we would."Let me make this clear," Obama said in a speech at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. Obama says he would send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists

I of course agree with that but a million more men over there would do the same thing they would do to bring victory in Iraq, nothing! Politician's and so called experts for some reason do not want you to know or they are too stupid to realize it themselves but this so called war on terror is still just getting started and the Political games must stop if we are to succeed in this endeavor.Bush has certainly worsened our situation as he endeavors for his new world "dis"order but fighting insurgents in Iraq, Taliban in Afghanistan, Al Qaeda in the U.S, Islamists in Pakistan, like it or not will continue to spread and this so called war on terror will be ongoing for generations and despite Partisan rhetoric over Iraq we will be followed home anyway. As you know, I am convinced we will be in Pakistan too. I don't see any way around it and a lot more as this war against Islam that isn't continues to grow. The Politicians and so called experts do not have a clue as to how much of a long haul this in fact will be.
With all that in mind I first must say I somehow missed the fact that Tancredo advocated attacking Medina and Mecca.

Tancredo A Republican presidential hopeful said during a campaign stop in Iowa that the best way he can think of to deter a nuclear terrorist attack on the U.S. is to threaten to retaliate by bombing Islamic holy sites. On Tuesday he told about 30 people at a town hall meeting in Osceola, Iowa, that he believes such a terrorist attack could be imminent and that the U.S. needs to hurry up and think of a way to stop it.
"If it is up to me, we are going to explain that an attack on this homeland of that nature would be followed by an attack on the holy sites in Mecca and Medina," Tancredo said at the Family Table restaurant. "Because that's the only thing I can think of that might deter somebody from doing what they otherwise might do."
Mecca and Medina, in Saudi Arabia, are Islam's holiest cities. All able-bodied Muslims are required to make a pilgrimage there at least once in their lives. Tancredo's comments were recorded and posted on the Web site By Friday, his comments had reached parts of the Muslim world. In Lahore, Pakistan, at least one U.S. flag was burned during street demonstrations against Tancredo.

Campaign spokesman, Alan Moore, said Tancredo stands by his statement. This isn't the first time Tancredo has suggested taking extreme action against Mecca and Medina. In 2005, he drew international criticism after he told a radio talk show host that "you could take out" Islamic holy sites if terrorists ever launched a nuclear attack against the United States.
Attacking Mecca Effective, Tancredo Says - Politics News Story - KCTV Kansas City

Man this guy is running for President. His goal has to be what I keep accusing Bush of and that is too unite the entire Muslim Nation against us for one hell of a long pitched battle. That is all it would do. Advocating an attack on Saudi Arabian soil on Islam's two Holiest sites would be suicide for the entire world. What the heck is wrong with us?

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma


Larry said...

Check out this excellent post on what Bush has done to America, and Pelosi's role in it.

America Weeps

two crows said...

this 'bomb Mecca and Medina' idea is so idiot-logical it may even get a hearing in this country. and it would start WWIII. Islamists the world over [including people in this country who have, until now, simply gone about their lives quietly] would rise up as one against this government.

talk about starting a guerilla war in the streets of downtown-anywhere! and foreign militants would find people climbing the fences of their compounds to sign up.

great thinking, Tancredo.

an average patriot said...

I commented on his story. I think you have too but I have said it all many times. It is too late for useless banter. I hope you get my response.
Good one and of course this is all true and more. Not only has Pelosi been complicite but every damn Politician of both parties.
What is happenig in America and around the world, why, and how this is going to turn out is what led me to start writing about the truth right after 9/11.
At first people called me a war monger, nazi, Repug, tin foil hat, but now call it what you want it is too late to stop and that is a fact.
Nothing will stop Bush and he will continue to beat back all efforts to do so. Our so called leaders and most people still do not realize what we are up against and that we are powerless unless we take things into our own hands as we did in 1776 and that won't happen because too many are cowered..
You know, I keep seeing all these accolades for Blogs and their efforts and pats on the back. They are worthless in the big picture. We have got to find someone who can be heard and make a difference now, immediately and I do not see that happening.
It is nice to hear people talking about this but it is too late. The time for useless talk is long gone. We must have action and now!

an average patriot said...

Two crows
Of course you are right. it would blow this entire thing wide open as any idiot would know. As for starting WW3 I am afraid we are in it and by design for not just Bush's new world order but everyone elses too. We are in serious trouble and the time for worthless discussions is over.
That rising up I have been calling for, for years now and people get mad at me and hide as everyone is cowered because of Bush. People don't want to face it but they better and quickly because that is all that will save us.

Dusty said...

Tancredo is a freaking tool.

Anon-Paranoid said...

Left you a reply too your comment.

God Bless.

an average patriot said...

It is unbelievable to me that someone running for the Presideny can think something as asinine as bombing Medina and Mecca let alone say it.
Worse is that there is a mindless section of people out here that fall right in line. That would cement this still just unfolding hell called our future. Man are we screwed! This is not chicken little talk. This is a rational thinking person fact.
This morning when I woke up I was listening to the news about the failing infrastructure and how the States are all checking Bridges not. What the hell do we friggen pay them for. town planners, city planners, county planners, State Government, Feds, they crisis manage period. Any idiot can do that and they do. They do nothing until a crisis occurs.
I was thinking of that in relation to the voting machine crisis and then remembering when I got out of the military in the 70s we had a water crisis here locally. I watched for years as they carelessly destroyed our watershed building homes then one day they wake up and say oh my God we have no water.
What the hell is wrong with this so called Government. Back then I said they do not know how to manage but deal only in crisis management. Nothing has changed it has only gotten worse and it will get much worse as we head the way of the Roman Empire.

an average patriot said...

Thanks anon I am on my way. I wish I knew more about computers and could program so someone would be notified when a comment is made like you sometimes see but oh well. I am technologically challenged.