Monday, September 10, 2007

Petraeus Report Farce, Bush's new middle east order is getting closer by the day!

Originally I was going to discuss the Republican Political use of Osama Bin Laden to further Political goals as he is being decried as impotent and delusional by Republican pundits then I got caught up in the useless Petraeus report as it proves nothing as we knew it would but the worthless Politicalization of it and the fact that Bush would stay the course regardless of what the truth is and we are not hearing.

I heard so much in listening to both sides of the aisle and Crocker and Petaeus but none of it was actually said. I guess you just are forced or learn to listen between the lines. You tell me what you think.
Gen. David H. Petraeus the top American military commander in Iraq told Congress today that by next summer, the United States should be able to reduce its troop strength there to about 130,000, or what it was before the recent increase, starting with a Marine Unit then an Army Brigade. Returning to the “pre-surge” troop strength can probably be done without jeopardizing the hard-won progress made in Iraq and he sees eventual success.

More than four years into a conflict initially thought to be a cakewalk, the war has become a battle of statistics, graphs and conflicting assessments of progress in a country of more than 27 million people. The defense intelligence chart makes the point, with figures from Petraeus' command in Baghdad, the Multinational Force-Iraq. Congressional auditors used the same numbers to conclude that Iraqis are as unsafe now as they were six months ago; the Bush administration and military officials also using those figures say that finding is flawed.
With so much depending on how the statistics are collected and interpreted, policymakers in Washington are confused.
No wonder they are confused just look at what I read this mornig. No wonder they are confused, I'm blown away! have been trying to digest all the crap I just heard. This is the kind of Political games we are getting just to fit one agenda or the other this blew me away especially when you watch Petraeus say deaths are down and show his nice graphs then you ear why.

Darn I am going crazy right now looking for something I had earlier that said a sectarian killing is now determined by where they were shot in the head. A shot straight in the front of the head is a mere regular murder. If the shot is in the back of the head then it is termed Sectarian. I am pissed at the nit picking just so Bush can stay in that civil war until he can find the excuse to go after Iran. I heard Iran invoked often too.
The surge is often portrayed by the administration as buying time for Mr Maliki. More accurately, it is to buy time for Mr Bush himself. you know I believe Bush will leave the middle east for nothing until he is able to furhter his new middle neast order. Today's example of the Betreyus farce hammered that home. I wish youwould tell mewhat you thought of that because I am still tongue tied meanwhile a reminder!
I have said long before I got my hands on this report almost 3 years ago that it was obvious what Bush's real intentions are in the middle east. He needed a reason to get back in there and 9/11 gave him the excuse and the Patriot Act the power to abuse in doing it. It was obvious in his march to war in Iraq that he was going to say whatever he had to in order to get there and he will do anything to stay there.

It was obvious too from the beginning that He would do anything to aid Israel as they endeavored to give themselves a buffer zone in their quest for a new middle east order and now that he was in the middle east he would do his share and will not leave until his goal of new middle east order was met or so he thinks. He knew from the beginning that Iraq would erupt in civil war and most likely be partitioned and most certainly end up as a war between Sunni and Shiite before Iran and Saudi Arabia got involved and it spread throughout the entire middle east.

It is important to remember that and the fact that he has thrown Saudi Arabia a bone in saying he will supply them with weapons in the future. He is placating them and Egypt until he can further his plan for new middle east order. With 3 carrier Battle Groups in the Gulf and France's Charles De Gaulle at the mouth he is prepared to act as you hear the drumbeats to war coming from Iran and Bush.

Bush is playing up the problems with Iran and down playing any cooperation with the IAEA. Like it or not I firmly believe this will happen and happen sooner than later. I have been expecting it for some time this fall before Congress can stop him and in time enough for his Pundits to say he must stay at the helm of his wars or perform some other underhanded act to keep his new world order plan in motion.Anyway before Bush went after Iraq he had designs on Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt when all is said and done. We are all observing age old hatreds play out and Sunni against Shiite, Persian against Arab hate is only serving to play into Bush's hand.

The Perle-Wurmser policy document demanded: 1) Destroy Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority, blaming them for every act of Palestinian terrorism, including the attacks from Hamas, an organization which Sharon had helped launch during his early 1980s tenure as Minister of Defense. 2) Induce the United States to overthrow the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq. 3) Launch war against Syria after Saddam's regime is disposed of, including striking Syrian military targets in Lebanon, and targets in Syria proper. 4) Parlay the overthrow of the Ba'athist regimes in Baghdad and Damascus into the "democratization" of the entire Arab world, including through further military actions against Iran, Saudi Arabia, and "the ultimate prize," Egypt.

I got a lot of guff in the past when I recommended people read the Perle Wurmser to see what is happening today in relation to what was Documented 4 years ago. I could not understand the complaints that it was a right wing report. To me that was all the more reason to believe it. It is more believable every day You read it, decide, and tell me what you think.

James Joiner
Gardner Ma


Naj said...

Listening to betrayus :)

I have to say, I fully endorse American troops remaining in Iraq indefinitely ... this will guarantee that they will not be messing up another place anytime soon.

These soldiers CANNOT march to Iran. Iran, unlike Iraq is a harsh mountain terrain. Iran, unlike Iraq, is a rather unified country, with 95% shiites, who have always had the ruling power (keep in mind that Iraq was run by a Ba'th/sunni minority) who are extremely nationalistic. Any attack on Iran will unite all of us, atheists like me with zealots like Ahmadinejad! Now, with the incompetence the americans have proven themselves being capable of with a 27 million population, how do you think they will manage in a country of almost 70 million people?

Also keep in mind, Iraq used to be a British colony! Many Iraqis speak English. Most Iranians do not!

Yeah I hear they are talking about Iran! Yupp ... Iran WANTS American troops in Iraq!

so Iran and Bush want the SAME thing, and that doesn't surprise me :)

Americans being a threat on Iran, will give teh Iranian fundamentalists to INVERT every progress Iranians have made in terms of civil rights in the past 10 years! Bush being in Iraq and America threatening Iran for nor reason, is only emboldening the Iranian fundamentalists!

As usual, Iranian people and American people are the losers! The thugs the winners! On both sides!

an average patriot said...

My take on the surge is Bush must stay the course in Ira until he finds his excuse to attach Iran but I do not mean from land.
The troops and equipment must remain in Iraq too contain Iran. He is boxing them in! The chief idiot has more than enough armaments in the gulf with 3 carrier Battle groups and a french Carrier, the Charles De Gaulle at the mouth.
Plus as you know, Bush just upped the amount of advanced military hardware he is giving to Israel to 35 billion to offset the 20 Billion $ worth he is given to Saudi Arabia and other supposed allies to offset Iran.
It is quite a mess Bush is developing as he purseus his new middle east order.

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Larry said...

Even though these figures appear tobe low, does this look like the Bush "splurge" is working:


The international aid group Oxfam reported in July that only 30 percent of Iraqis have access to clean water, compared with 50 percent in 2003 — and tens of thousands of Iraqis are fleeing their homes each month in search of safety.

Iraqi security forces remain heavily infiltrated by militias, and political leaders continue to intervene in their activities.

Civilian deaths haven’t decreased in any significant way across the country, according to statistics from the Iraqi Interior Ministry, and numbers gathered by McClatchy Newspapers show no consistent downward trend even in Baghdad, despite military assertions to the contrary. The military has provided no hard numbers to back the claim.

The progress in al Anbar has little to do with the 4,000 U.S. troops who were sent to Anbar as part of the surge of 30,000 additional troops to Iraq. Instead, it began more than four months earlier, with the formation last September of the Anbar Salvation Council.

Speaking of the number of Iraqi deaths since the surge, an official in the ministry who spoke anonymously because he wasn’t authorized to release numbers said those numbers were heavily manipulated. The official said 1,980 Iraqis had been killed in July and that violent deaths soared in August, to 2,890. (I knew that August number was way off)

I could go on and on and on…..but I’ll stop here. We all know about the doctor’s fleeing the country or being kidnapped and killed, we all know about the millions of Iraqis who have fled the country. We all know about the Iraqi’s who are still in country and have nowhere to flee. We all know about Baghdad becoming walled off into seperate little neighborhood “prisons.”

Larry said...

I bet these soldiers don't feel the "splurge" is a success:


The war in Iraq is not over, but one legacy is already here in this city and others across America: an epidemic of brain-damaged soldiers.

Thousands of troops have been diagnosed with traumatic brain injury, or TBI. These blast-caused head injuries are so different from the ones doctors are used to seeing from falls and car crashes that treating them is as much faith as it is science.

“I’ve been in the field for 20-plus years dealing with TBI. I have a very experienced staff. And they’re saying to me, ‘We’re seeing things we’ve never seen before,’” said Sandy Schneider, director of Vanderbilt University’s brain injury rehabilitation program.

Doctors also are realizing that symptoms overlap with post-traumatic stress disorder, and that both must be treated. Odd as it may seem, brain injury can protect against PTSD by blurring awareness of what happened.

But as memory improves, emotional problems can emerge: One of the first “graduates” of Vanderbilt’s program committed suicide three weeks later.

“Of all the ones here, he would not have been the one we would have thought,” Schneider said. “They called him the Michelangelo of Fort Campbell” — a guy who planned to go to art school.

As more troops return from the war, brain injuries are a growing burden — for them, for the few programs to treat them, and for taxpayers who pay for their care and disability if they cannot hold jobs.

Did you ever think about these soldiers Bush?

Larry said...

Does this look like Bush is interested in a "surge"

The Pentagon is preparing to build a base near the Iraq-Iran border in an effort to stem the flow of "advanced Iranian weaponry" to Shiite militants in Iraq, according to Monday's edition of the Wall Street Journal.

"The push also includes construction of fortified checkpoints on the major highways leading from the Iranian border to Baghdad and the installation of X-ray machines and explosives-detecting sensors at the only formal border crossing between Iran and Iraq," the Journal said.

Larry said...

Does this mean the "surge" is working:

Insurgent attacks against Iraqi civilians, their security forces and U.S. troops remain high, according to the document obtained by The Associated Press. It is a conclusion that the well-regarded Army officer who is the top U.S. commander in Iraq is expected to try to counter when he and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador in Baghdad, testify before Congress on Monday and Tuesday.

More than four years into a conflict initially thought to be a cakewalk, the war has become a battle of statistics, graphs and conflicting assessments of progress in a country of more than 27 million people.

The defense intelligence chart makes the point, with figures from Petraeus' command in Baghdad, the Multinational Force-Iraq. Congressional auditors used the same numbers to conclude that Iraqis are as unsafe now as they were six months ago; the Bush administration and military officials also using those figures say that finding is flawed.

With so much depending on how the statistics are collected and interpreted, policymakers in Washington are confused.

Rep. Ike Skelton, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, summed up the situation during a hearing last week on the report by congressional auditors at the Government Accountability Office.

"What is really going on? What standards should we look at? Where do we go from here?" asked Skelton, D-Mo.

For every positive step, a negative one follows.

Nearly 77 percent of Iraqis want the militias in Iraq to be dissolved, according to the GAO, yet their government has not written legislation to do so.

While the rights of Iraq's minority political parties are protected in the legislature, the GAO said violence against minority religious and ethnic groups continues "unabated" in most areas of Iraq.

The report used the defense intelligence's countrywide figures to conclude that the average number of daily attacks against civilians has remained "about the same" during the past six months.

The auditors could not determine if sectarian violence had declined since the start of the president's troop increase.

The agency's findings are contentious because the Bush administration and military officials in Iraq have said security has improved over the same period due to the additional 30,000 U.S. troops in Baghdad and other trouble spots.

"There's a difference of opinion - a strong difference of opinion - as to whether or not sectarian violence has decreased," David Walker, who heads the auditing agency, said last week.

In a letter to his troops Friday, Petraeus acknowledged progress has been "uneven," but said sectarian violence has fallen considerably. The number of attacks across the country has declined in eight of the past 11 weeks, he said. The letter from Petraeus does not provide any figures.

According to the DIA chart, there were 897 attacks against Iraqi civilians in January and 808 in July. There were 946 attacks against Iraqi security forces in January and 850 in July.

An attack is defined as a violent act that may or may not produce casualties.

Coalition forces, which include more than 160,000 U.S. troops, were attacked the most. Slightly more than 3,300 attacks were recorded in January and 3,143 were reported in July, the DIA said.

No matter what they say, Iraq is a disaster.

an average patriot said...

That was good and I of course responded. It is sickening to watch this all unfold and it is so obvious the way we are all being controlled and we are powerless to stop it and I am stymied but will never stop trying.
This will continue by design to spread around the entire world and get much worse as Bushco's new world order spreads.

an average patriot said...

To us the splurge is not a success but it is too Bush as the lies enable him to stay in the middle east until he can use the forces to contain Iran from Iraq while Israel and the $20 billion in arms Bush is giving Sauudi and others do theirs and he can go after Iran from all the Carrier Groups in the Gulf.
Bush is rapidly surrounding Iran.I have found myself tied up of late in communicating with naj and others on this.
Anyway those sectarian death numbers are so massaged it is sickening. Now if a person is shot in the front and killed it is just a murder. If they are shot in the back of the head it is termed sectarian. I just can't stand this obvious manipulation on numerous fronts so Bush can prosecute his new order.
Also during the Betrayus hearings they bragged about Anbar then said you can't expect that around the entire country. Then why friggen stay there. I was so stymied by the fact manipulation to fit everyones different purpose that I didn't know what the hell to say or think.
It is done on purpose of course and I am sick of talking about it. what the hell can we do?

an average patriot said...

You know and I don't have to tell you but TBI is not even mentioned or thought of by Bush. Like everything else, that is someone elses problem. His only problem is how to manipulate the world as he pursues his new world order. Man I just keep shaking my head again! Damn, Damn, Damn!

an average patriot said...

That's funny, I just explained the importance of the surge and our troops boxing Iran in. Bush is surrounding them. Between the military in Iraq,the three carrier Battle groups in the Gulf, the Charles DeGaulle at the mouth, Israel, now saudi Arabia and others, bush has Iran surrounded. Naj thinks Russia and China will not help Iran. I think they will and that seeme to be the big unknown.

an average patriot said...

larry as I was saying, I was so confused i didn't know what the hell to say. As in every other instance it is done on purpose just to enable Bush to follow his new order. It is so damn obvious, sickening, and debilitating. We all see the daily lying but again are powerless to do anything. I am friggen stupified!
That damn Betrayus crap did just what it, Bush, and petraeus intended and that was stay the course. what a surprise, watch out Iran. We are leaving Korea to set up camp in Iraq for the duration!

Sophia said...


First of all, thanks for visiting my blog and leaving a comment.
As for the present debate I think Iran is still very strongly on the agenda of this administration. I don't think failure, Russia's and China's positions, or Iran's rugged terrain, are any of their concern. I think their goal, as it appears to me , day after day, and surge after surge, and spin after spin, is chaos, total chaos, so they can subdue people, states, communities. In this regard, the war in Iraq can be seen as a success.
I am being cynical but I think sometimes thinking rationally doesn't take you anwhere.
This is an administration that has surpassed the nazis and every other authoritarian regime in public opinion manipulation.
It is time people stand out and say 'enough'. Enough doctoring, enough spin, enough buyuing time, we need accountability. More than a million people have already died in Afghanistan and Iraq because of september 11th, because of a criminal act perpetrated by a criminal man who is mysitifed by this administration and prettu happy with the sucess and the mystification...

an average patriot said...

I thank you! You are the first one I have encountered that has it right. Bush must create disorder before he can replace it with his new order. He is dong it in the US,the middle east, and around the world.
He is following what I know as the Russian Doctrine of Destruction. You can find it on my main page under Bush Uncovered if you want to read it.
I wrote it 3 years ago but it is more obvious every day. If you read it I would be interested in your opinion.
I have also written a manifesto to thw world that is undeniable and shows how all this will end and it is not good. If you have an E I will send it to you. I just switched to verizon and the pictures no longer show but they should for you.

Sophia said...


My email is the following:

Naomi Klein hints at the same thing with 'the schock doctrine' in her new book which I haven't read yet, but I heard an interview with her on radio Canada. She emphasizes too much in my opinion the individual psychological aspect of the shock doctrine.

Naj said...

George IS after chaos, but it is too late for him. He is exposed. What I see hapening is a genral AWAKENING against Capitalism. If it takes Iran to be sacrificed for that, then at least I can be proud that Iranians got it right when they kicked America's ass 30 years ago out of Iran!

an average patriot said...

I just sent it to you. Let me know what you think? I am afraid you will agree. Think about all that is going on today as you read that. It will blow you away. Jim

an average patriot said...

The world at large is revolting against Bush but it is expected and necessary and will not deter Bush. I just E'd Sophia a manifesto to the world I put together over the years that will amaze you as to what is really happening and how this will in fact turn out.
Anyway be proud of Iran and do not give up on her though this entire mess has a long way to go to play itself out. It is still just developing.

Anon-Paranoid said...

Der Fuhrer wants to use nukes. He so badly wants too use them against Iran he can taste the death toll in his mouth.

There is only one problem he has though and that is if he nukes Iran than he will not only lose world support, that is whatever he has left and all the oil in the region will be useless as the radiation will leave the region uninhabitable for a long, long time.

God Bless.

an average patriot said...

Glad to hear from you buddy! I have been watching your site for a new conversation. I am afraid the chief idiot will open the nuclear Pandora's box in the middle east but whoever does will invoke the wrath of the world. Plus Israel would be getting that fall out too.
That is why I believe as his surge troops will be used to contain Iran from Iraq while his 55 Billion in Arms to Israel, Saudi Arabia and others will be used to go after Iran from the other sides, Bush will complete the block by attacking with our carrier groups from the Gulf. This is still just developing and don't forget the unknowns, Russia and China?