Thursday, September 27, 2007

Gotta Love Bill: He's right but feigned Republican outrage makes Democrats back off, Bush's mess will be Divvied up as expected!

Gotta love Bill: He's right but feigned Republican outrage makes Democrats back off, Bush's mess will be divvied up, Watch!
CNN) — Former President Bill Clinton blasted Republicans Wednesday for their recent uproar over a newspaper ad questioning Gen. David Petraeus' credibility, telling CNN's Anderson Cooper their "feigned outrage" was completely "disingenuous."
"This was classic bait and switch — focus on that as opposed to focusing on what's happened," the former president said. Clinton also highlighted a string of past questionable campaign commercials targeting Democrats, and suggested Republicans are acting hypocritically. "These are the people that ran a television ad in Georgia with [former Sen.] Max Cleland — who lost half his body in Vietnam — in the same ad with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. That's what the Republicans did," he continued. "And the person that rode to the senate on that ad was there voting to condemn the democrats over the Petraeus ad.
"I mean, these are the people that funded the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. And the president appointed one of the principal founders of the Swift Boat ads to be an ambassador," Clinton added. "But they're really upset about Petraeus. But it was okay to question [Massachusetts Sen.] John Kerry's patriotism on a blatantly dishonest play that had dishonest claims by people that didn't know what they were talking about. CNN Political Ticker

You have to admit, regardless of what you think of Bill he is absolutely correct but it did it's work as all of a sudden The leading Democratic White House hopefuls conceded Wednesday night they cannot guarantee to pull all U.S. combat troops from Iraq by the end of the next presidential term in 2013. That means no immediate start of withdrawal! "I think it's hard to project four years from now," said Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois in the opening moments of a campaign debate in the nation's first primary state.
"It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting," added Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. "I cannot make that commitment," said former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina. I hate to say it but knowing Bush has a lot of warmongering to go before we have some chance of getting rid of him, who knows how deep Besides Iran he will have us before he is gone!

Sensing an opening, Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson provided the assurances the others would not. "I'll get the job done," said Dodd, while Richardson said he would make sure the troops were home by the end of his first year in office. I would like to see them started then but it is certainly impractical and very Political to make such a ridiculous statement.
Foreign policy blended with domestic issues at the debate on a Dartmouth College stage, and several of the contenders endorsed payroll tax increases to assure a stable Social Security system.Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware and Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, as well as Dodd, Obama and Edwards all said they would apply the tax to income now exempted. Richardson said he wouldn't, and Clinton refused to say. "I'm not putting anything on the proverbial table" unilaterally, she said. Current law levies a 6.2 percent payroll tax only on an individual's first $97,500 in annual income.Biden also said he was willing to consider gradually raising the retirement age, which is now 67. Kucinich said that while he favors taxing additional income, he wants to return the retirement age to 65, where it stood until the law was changed in 1983.

I just want to say that I love the idea of taxing the people a little more, that Bush has been giving breaks too and only wish we could recapture what he gave away. I also say down with Biden and Hooray for Kucinich for wanting to roll back the retirement age to 65. That is the way it should be. It should be up to you not the Government to work beyond that and many of us would anyway.
Now I just want to say that in regards to the games Bush has played with his civil war in Iraq and the fact that it will spread throughout the entire middle east regardless of whether we stay there or pull out eventually, the Senate though it does not matter right now, has it right here. Implicitly criticizing the Bush administration's reliance on the Iraqi central government to unify the country, the U.S. Senate on Wednesday overwhelmingly endorsed the decentralization of Iraq into semi-autonomous regions.
The nonbinding measure sponsored by Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) -- which supports a "federal system" that would divide Iraq into sectarian-dominated regions -- won unusually broad bipartisan support, passing 75 to 23. It attracted 26 Republicans, 47 Democrats and both independents.
"Slowly but surely we're building a consensus in the Congress around a way forward in Iraq," said Biden, who worked with conservatives, such as Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.), and liberals, such as Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), to get the measure through. "That is a very hopeful sign." After the vote, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) cast it as an indictment of Bush's war strategy, though the measure will not compel the administration to do anything differently. entire story

This breakup was only one of the givens Bush ignored to get our military back into the middle east. we will discuss Iran tomorrow. I do not understand Bush's aversion to the obvious breakup of Iran. the U.S. helped craft a federated system in Bosnia-Herzegovina that separated Serbs, Croats and Bosnian Muslims after years of bloody civil war. Despite Bush this is going to play out as expected, Sunni against Shiite with the Kurds in the north and they will all be absorbed by willing "partners" despite Bush staying in the middle east that will only worsen matters exponentially.

James Joiner
Gardner Ma


Holly said...

Hey Patriot i didn't like the debate last night it seemed they all wanted to keep the war going if they got in office

jmsjoin said...

good to see you around. Yeah things all of a sudden changed and with the chief idiot saying there will be a permanent middle east presense and it will cost us trillions, the defense Industry is going great guns sorry for the pun.
I am bummed knowing there are a lot more wars to come starting with Iran. That is why we are staying in Iraq, to contain Iran and attack them from the Gulf.

Larry said...

Breaking News Breaking News

Jenna Bush ducked a question about whether she agreed with her father about the war in Iraq, but she said she understood critics who argue that she and her twin sister, Barbara, should serve in Iraq.

“Obviously I understand that question and see what the point of that question is for sure. I think there are many ways to serve your country. I think … what’s most appropriate for me to do is to teach or to work in UNICEF and represent our country in Latin America.”

Jenna Bush is like the Romney Boys:
They serve their country by partying. They don’t need to go to Iraq for that type of service.

PoliShifter said...

We're mired in the war time economy mind set now and Hillary, Obama, and Edwards all seem content to play along for another 5 or 6 years.

It's money laudering. Congress gives the tax dollars to the Pentagon, the pentagon hands out bags of cash in the form of cost plus no bid contracts with no oversight and no accountability to Bush approved corps, then those corps feed millions back into the political system in the form of campaign contributions as well as contracts for economic stimulus in the various Congressmen's districts and Senator's states.

Corp X gets $10 Billion, contributes a few million to Congressman X and also pledges to move a production facility or corp headquarters to Congressman X's district.

Congressman X then makes sure to vote for continuing the occupation and also crafts legislation that is favorable to Corp X.

Then Congressman X can brag to his consituents about how he can bring home the bacon with the best of them.

The tragedy in all of this is that there is no incentive to bring peace and security to Iraq.

A peaceful and secure Iraq would mean no need to continue the occupation and thus no need for a military presence or a contractor presence. A peaceful and stable Iraq could use Iraqi labor to rebuild its country.

There is no incentive to bring about a peaceful and stable Iraq.

Thus 4 1/2 years later and $600 billion and we have nothing to show for it. Iraqis still don't have reliable electricity, clean water, or security let alone jobs.

The corps don't want to bring about a peaceful Iraq because doing so would end the lucrative contracts.

The politicians have no interest in bringing peace to Iraq because that would end the campaign contributions and lucrative deals for thier districts.

They are laundering our tax dollars for their own personal gain and not even helping the Iraqis.

And let's talk about this "moral obligation" Obama, Hillary, and Edwards discuss as our reason to stay in Iraq.

I didn't hear a damn single politician talk about our moral obligation as the bombs fell during Shock and Awe. No one lamented the tens of thousands of Iraqis we killed during the initial invasion.

As it stands now hundreds of Iraqis die each month and no one is doing anything to stop it. So we should say longer to ensure what? That the killing continues?

And if we're so concerned about the humanitarian crisis then why won't Bush take in the millions of Iraqi refugees?

Speaking of moral obligations. I'm not hearing anyone talk about our moral obligation to the innocent Iranians we will kill when we bomb that country.

It's all bullshit.

jmsjoin said...

She will not serve her country any more than her idiot father did. Her father succeeded in his dodge and now he is the chief warmonger who needs to play up to the likes of my sons and their sense of duty and Patriotism while the privelaged like the Romney's and Bush's continue the Political dodge.
I find it disgusting because like everything today it is so flagrant and obvious but denied. That means that all those serving should be discharged so they can go work in UNICEF. Yeah right, I amm so sick of the friggen games!

jmsjoin said...

You're entirely right of course but the Iraqi dead is more like 2 or 3 thousand per day in Bush's purposely created hell that will soon spread to Iran and the entire middle east as designed.
As you said, there is no incentive to end it because there is too much financial and political gain in Bush's Forever War and there are those like my sons who are hoodwinked into thinking they are doing the Patriotic and right thing while the Clinton, Romney, and Bush kids, get way with the dodge. I hate it!