Yesterday it was a Pastor wanting him Dead today a Gubenatorial candidate wants him hunted down because he is Black!

Rammell isn't the first Rexburg resident who has drawn attention for making an anti-Obama comment. This is really sick and indicates how deep this hate mongering is going. Last November, second-grade and third-grade students on a school bus there chanting Assassinate Obama after he was elected. The mayor of Rexburg, Idaho publicly apologized for the incident but the damage was done. Remember the Aryan Nation? In the 1980's, the white supremacist Aryan Nations was headquartered in North Idaho. GOP gubernatorial candidate talks of "hunting" Obama

Sarcasm or threat: Did Rex Rammell cross the line? You bet he did! Calling for the President to be assassinated is illegal. Threatening the president is a felony punishable by five years in prison and a $250,000 fine and for good reason.

This is not funny! The atmosphere is too tense to tolerate explosive language like assassination. The following presidents have been assassinated in the United States: Abraham Lincoln, James A. Garfield, William McKinley and John F. Kennedy. There were attempted assassinations on the following presidents: Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S Truman, John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.

GOP blasts Idaho candidate's 'Obama tags' comment They were slow in coming out and slamming what he said. They let it fester for a day. I'm telling you, I do not like the way this is headed.

Yesterday I noted It gets more vile and vitriolic every day. I am blown away by the hate and the calls for Obama's death! We know it is because Obama is black and some whites are angry as they fear they lost control of their America! I know President Obama receives more death threats than any other President in history So far 400 in total 30 per day. I just can not believe it! I encourage you to read this link it is short. This is a so called Preacher and this is so vile and hate filled it is horrific as this idiot tells his flock he goes to bed every night praying that Obama be killed.

You know, that so called pastor a Preacher in Arizona named Steven Anderson said "I am going to pray Obama dies" " his wife should be husbandless and his daughters Fatherless" That hate and he is preaching it on the pulpit, Is too much. It is horrible for anyone to say that plus he he demands that all gays and lesbians face the death penalty. Then he said the country is run by faggots and he called Barney Frank a pedophile before praying for Obama to melt like a snail. Gospel of Hate: Arizona pastor Steve Anderson spews bile toward ...

This increasing hateful vile should be illegal and I do not understand how it is condoned because it is just getting worse and worse every day. Now there is no denying it is because President Obama is Black! We have got to reign this end before it is too late and Republicans get the second Revolution they have been asking for since Preident Obama was elected!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Obama gets 30 death threats per day 400 total, now a Pastor wants him Dead! when will this blow?

Anderson's Sermon why God and I hate Obama



You know, back when President Obama first announced he was going to run for President I started voicing my concerns of growing racism and a fear that America would end up divided Black against White. That has turned sadly to be true but sadly only a small part of it and it gets more vitriolic every day. At this point I have done so many stories to keep you updated as we devolve into the chaos the so called Right have purposely worked hard for so they can have their second armed Revolution. It gets worse and more vile every day as the extremists on the right get increasingly desperate. Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret ...

Remember this? Republicans are purposely inciting the population to arm themselves heavily and out and out calling for armed revolution against President Obama and the Government. They have already been directly responsible for cop shootings by citizens who are told by Republicans that Obama is going to take their guns. This is really sick and there must be a law. Isn't this illegal? Shouldn't we arrest them? Isn't this treason? Terrorism? This can't be legal! CBS Warns of 'Right-Wing' 'Anti-Government' Extremism

The Republicans are undermining Obama and society, this will not be good, mark my words! War mongering hate mongering fear mongering Chuck Norris calling for a revolution against Obama, Michelle Bachmann for armed revolution, Hannity Limbaugh, Beck, Norris, Coulter stress, lost jobs, Lost houses, financial collapse, degrading society. This is growing and hell it will get much worse. Mark my words! I am sickened by how militant the right has openly become. They are threatening WW3 against Democrats. Calling for armed Revolution against Obama who is supposedly destroying the America Bush already destroyed. What is wrong with these right wing nut jobs? Even Chuck Norris is calling for a Revolution against Obama saying it is time. This was part of our conversation 4/8

Remember this? Limbaugh said Napolitano's warning on the anger towards everything Obama, guns, Religion, Guns, immigration, an amalgam of issues, was targeting and aimed at conservatives. Conservatives were never mentioned but the scum is right! So called conservatives the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Bachmann, Bachus, are whipping the party into a bunch of rabid dogs. They are fomenting Intervention and armed Revolution. They are the right wing extremists we are being warned about.

They are here and out in the open whipping up dissent. Everything Obama says or does gets a knee jerk reaction from Limbaugh and so called conservatives. If Obama says it, it is wrong! Republicans are on the outs if they say anything whatsoever that can be contrived as good about Obama! Should Dems ask the GOP to censure Obama haters? - Salon You bet and immediately!

It just got more vile and vitriolic! I was blown away by this hate and the calls for Obama's death! I know President Obama receives more death threats than any other President in history So far 400 in total 30 per day. I just can not believe it! I encourage you to read this link it is short. This is a so called Preacher and this is so vile and hate filled it is horrific as this idiot tells his flock he goes to bed every night praying that Obama be killed. Gospel of Hate: Arizona pastor Steve Anderson spews bile toward ...

You know, that so called pastor a Preacher in Arizona named Steven Anderson said "I am going to pray Obama dies" " his wife should be husbandless and his daughters Fatherless" That hate and he is preaching it on the pulpit, Is too much. It is horrible for anyone to say that plus he he demands that all gays and lesbians face the death penalty. Then he said the country is run by faggots and he called Barney Frank a pedophile before praying for Obama to melt like a snail.

This increasing hateful vile should be illegal and I do not understand how it is condoned. This will be to all our detriment if wee do not intervene in this and quick. Armed militias and obama hate groups are quickly growing in numbers. map depicting Militia locations


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Ahmadinejad says detainee abuse was 'enemy plot', he has the proof and wants opposition leaders prosecuted for their role!

Ahmadinejad is not Iran's President



Please watch the video as the people sing while a green cloth scroll is unfurled down the street with the peoples signatures. We will get stronger as we get older, Ahmadinejad is not the President!

It blows me away that despite what we heard was millions of Revolutionary guard and fanatical Basij supporters creating brutality and chaos in support of Ahmadinejad it is obvious that the average citizens do not support him or think he is their President. Despite that his lunacy just continues and is getting worse and worse. It has amazed me from the get go that Ahmadinejad has been accusing foreign forces of instigating the violence he instigated by stealing the election.

The fact has been totally ignored that whoever made the people want Democracy they are the ones hitting the streets not foreign agents. The citizens are the ones protesting! I am stunned that Ahmadinejad is now blaming everything on foreign agents. Most ridiculously the abuse and brutality inflicted on prisoners while in jail is being credited to foreign agents. I just can't believe it! I see it done in the US too but if you want to defect criticism as a diversion you create an enemy.

When I was a little kid we use to joke and say the devil made me do it! Wait a minute we are the great Satan aren't we? I refuse to believe Ahmadinejad gets away with this lunacy! The citizens do not even think he was legally elected or there President. The only support he seems to have is from the hard liners, the IRG, and the Basij. As we said before the IRG seems to be running the country not Khamenei!

I am nonplussed that after all the violence and blatant brutality we all watched the IRG and the Basij inflict on protesters thanks to protesters hiding and taking pictures with their cell phones only now Ahmadinejad said he is in possession of evidence that exonerates "revolutionary, military, security and intelligence forces" from any allegations of detainee abuse. If he is in possession of proof of exoneration I want to see it besides he has had plenty of time to manufacture some proof. Isn't it strange that only now he says he has proof? What a coincidence! Ahmadinejad says detainee abuse was 'enemy plot'

Meanwhile in a move designed to step up the pressure Ahmadinejad on Friday called for the leaders of the opposition to be prosecuted over Iran's postelection turmoil he created. It was the first time Ahmadinejad has made such a call and brings this one step closer to open confrontation. Ahmadinejad openly sided with hard-line politicians and clerics and commanders of the powerful Revolutionary Guard. who have demanded in recent weeks that opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi and his top allies be arrested.

Ahmadinejad took an even tougher line than his top ally Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who said he saw no evidence that opposition leaders were tools of Iran's foreign enemies which hard-liners have claimed and he is right. The differing stances show there are divisions within Iran's leadership over how far to go or what to do next. To me it proves Ahmadinejad and the Revolutionary Guard are the real ones in charge.

Supposedly Khamenei holds ultimate say in political issues in Iran but I do not think so any more. He absolutely must satisfy hard-liners and the Revolutionary Guard. Ahmadinejad wants opposition leaders prosecuted for it and all other turmoil he created


* Inclosing I told you the split is here and will get worse. Ahmadinejad will make sure of it so he can clamp down on this once and for all or so he thinks. This is further proof that Ahmadinejad and the IRG are the real ones in charge and only using the Clerics to feign legitimacy. They have all the guns and power but prosecuting Moussavi,Karroubi, and Khatami will result in major escalation of violence. You know that is the end goal!


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Counting Ballots and Bombs in Afghanistan! More success American style!

Afghan Election Too Close to Call



41 Dead in Afghan Blast Caused by Vehicle Bombs



Once again a story was growing as I researched it so I am again going to include some important links and a couple videos as they tell a complete story. You can read the ones you are interested in and I will summarize at the end. Between Bullets Bombs Ballots and military and civilian casualties the story is changing too rapidly. I wanted to include a story of a shoot out at a health clinic where a Taliban leader was being treated and after 12 were killed he was captured but too much is happening.

Karzai widens lead in Afghan vote count

Second blast strikes Kandahar

US says Afghan attack won't stop progress

US general aims for Afghan hearts in anti-Taliban fight Winning hearts and minds with bullets and bombs?

August tied for deadliest month in Afghanistan

So far NATO has had 44 troops killed this month in Afghanistan equaling last month the worst in 8 years. I am sorry to say as you already know but August is on track to be the worst month yet in this Deadly game of Bullets Bombs and Ballots. Afghanistan is heating up! Does the increase of troop deaths reflect a result of our troop increase of which even more look likely? Or is it due to an increase of Taliban activity in which Pakistan's Taliban promises increasing support? Both as you know!

This is coming amidst growing finger pointing on the election and its fraud by both leaders Hamid Karzai and Abdullah Abdullah. Abdullah keeps showing videos pointing out the fraud. I have heard of 300 allegations so far but Karzai is the President and you can be sure nothing will come of it. At this point I am sure the Taliban want Karzai to win so they can grow their Opium and continue to be unscathed by Karzai where Abdullah Abdullah is a more serious threat to them.

I in closing we are in serious trouble unless we get out right now and cut our losses. The longer we stay the more I see another Saigon! I know that won't happen nor can it happen. I firmly believe that President Obama will continue to get the money he wants and he will be okay as long as he keeps these two wars going. If he pulls out he will be killed. He will suffer the same fate as JFK, RFK, and MLK,and once again the truth will never be found. I am afraid I face the future with growing apprehension!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com


Afghan Election Too Close to Call



41 Dead in Afghan Blast Caused by Vehicle Bombs

My tribute to my Senator, Teddy Kennedy plus Ted Kennedy's triumphs, trials captured on video

Ted Kennedy's triumphs, trials captured on video

Ted Kennedy: Family senator, patriarch, dead at 77

Massachusetts son Senator Edward Kennedy 1932-2009! Ted Kennedy friend and mentor on both sides of the aisle was a fierce Partisan, a tough customer and a great man! Being a life long resident of Massachusetts the Kennedy's have always been a part of my life. Ted Kennedy's passing truly is the end of an era. He was the last man standing, the last of his brothers. He will rejoin his brothers John and Robert at Arlington cemetery, date still unknown!

Ted Kennedy end up having a hand in everything but when he first went to the Senate as the youngest of 9 children no one expected much from him. Many believed he only won the seat because his brother was the President. Boy did he pleasantly surprise. Yes there was Chappaquiddick and it ended his dreams of a Presidency but I think he served us better as a US Senator!

He served 46 years, Kennedy was the 2nd most senior member of Congress, the 3rd longest serving Senator in History. He fought for a fair and more just America the whole time. Health care was his passion! I see a Health care reform Bill being passed now as a tribute to Senator Kennedy! Top Democrats vowed to fight for it to honor Kennedy. He said we will all live on in the future we make. Well let us make it!

Teddy secured a waiver to establish a health care Bill in Massachusetts!
1964 American Civil Rights act
1966 passed first common health law
Legacies include the American fair housing Act and the American Disabilities Act!
He was responsible for giving 18 year olds the right to vote.
1969 he gave his first speech on health care
Meals on wheels and ending the draft we owe him for too!
* He personally touched 2500 major pieces of legislation 300 of which were passed into law!
* In 2009 Kennedy's committee was the first to pass health care reform! We can all be thankful Ted Kennedy remained in the Senate and served us all, we are all better for it and I rest knowing he died a happy accomplished man!

He said often at key times"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die." How do we remember Teddy Kennedy the last of the Kennedy men? His Irishness? His Compassion? His sense of Humor? His senate long fight for health care? His devotion to the common man? We will miss him, the lion is gone. I do not see another right now. For now at our loss the role will go unfilled!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com



Author: Kennedy Greatest legislator of his time

Special prosecutor announced! Unplugged: Uncovering CIA Interrogations

First I want to say Rest in Peace Ted Kennedy 1932 - 2009! Now!

Unplugged: Uncovering CIA Interrogations



US prosecutor named to probe CIA prisoner abuses

Administration Releases More of Long-Classified CIA Report on ...

Who will take the fall and will it go to the top like it should? Cut it off at the head doesn't only apply to killing snakes! All right this is a good start and I believe appointing special prosecutors is a waste of time and money but believe Holder will do this right for once. A federal prosecutor will be appointed to investigate the mishandling of terror suspects by the CIA. Holder said this will be narrow in scope but that is a start.

We saw narrow in scope when Clinton was investigated for Whitewater and we ended up with Monica Lewinsky and Impeachment under Ken Starr? We are now hearing of CIA threats to kill suspects kids. One terrorist suspect was told his Mother would be sexually assaulted in front of him. One was told his family would be killed.Waving a handgun next to a prisoners head, revving a power drill next to his head while shackled and hand cuffed' whether you agree with it or not this is torture!

I am sorry! I believe torture or not the CIA and the interrogators should not be held accountable. They were doing what our misleaders told them was okay and to do whatever you have to. I can agree with that if American lives are at stake but tell the friggen truth and let the chips fall where they may. Bush Lawyers who okayed this torture and Cheney, Rummy, and Rice, who gave the go ahead should be prosecuted period.Not the interrogators who were doing what the misadministration told them to do and that they thought was covered legally.

Cheney, Rummy, Rice, the Attorney General, they are the ones who should all be held accountable. They were the lying underhanded enablers in all the Bush misadministration injustice. They should not get away scot free but I expect they will. I think it is great that officially the White House is staying out of this and they must. I am sure Bush pundits made a deal with him that there would be no prosecutions by him of higher ups.

I think it is not only calculated but great that the White House is staying out of this. This is perfect because Eric Holder will take charge. The special prosecutors will start with the interrogators and go right to the top. As you know I think the interrogators thought they were protected so should be disciplined but keep their jobs. However when they do get to the top heads should roll and holder is the man to see it through!

Holder said only techniques not authorized by the CIA should be investigated. Supposedly firing guns on the other sides of prisoners cells so they would believe they would be shot was something else that was not authorized by the CIA but that authorization order is what should be closely perused. If the CIA did not authorize it the interrogators should be prosecuted if not go right to the top and prosecute them to the limit of the law!

So far I have heard 10 to 20 cases must be looked at. Robert Gibbs said President Obama does not want anyone that was following the rules to be investigated. Those who were using drills and guns beating prisoners with flashlights etc. torture or not were not following the rules. Cheney himself said said we would use anything any means available to them. He is the one they should end up going after. Cheney is still lying and saying torture worked though we know it brought disinformation and no actionable leads. I am sick of the lies!

To my knowledge the CIA never tortured before. Under Bush and Cheney they broke the rules and the order to do so came right from the top. It is old news that Cheney gave them permission. He should be tried, not because he did it but because he is lying. If you say or do something admit it and let the chips fall where they may. No big deal!

In closing: Leon Panetta has threatened to quit! I firmly believe the interrogators unless rogue should not be prosecuted. This 5 year old lie should be held against Cheney and the rest of his gang of lying misleaders. The investigators were generally doing what they were told and thought was covered by the law. Rummy and Cheney were the misleaders. They are the ones who made the investigators who were doing what they were told think they were above the law, They did not have a choice! Cheney and Rummy did and they are the ones who ultimately should be prosecuted.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

While the Lockerbie battle continues the battle against the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan takes a new shape!

The new leaderZulfiqar Mehsud aka Hakimullah Mehsud the face of a very content Taliban killer!



As you know, I was deeply insulted with Megrahi's release! It was inappropriate and dead wrong and was done at the Judges discretion and we were brazenly told on one in the entire world can question this. Scotland's justice Minister said the decision was his and his alone and no one could question it. Former Libyan intelligence agent Abdel Basset al-Megrahi as you know was in Mohamar Qaddafi' secret service and worked directly for him. Qaddafi ordered the bombing that downed Pan Am flight 103 killing 270 innocent civilians.

I am disgusted we have allowed this mass murderer a known terrorist to go free, to go home to a heroes welcome. I thought guilty or not his release would embolden the so called terrorists and wondered why the world was not outraged. Right is right and wrong is wrong and this is friggen wrong. Well I find that with every day the Western world agrees.

Scottish leaders and Downing Street are feeling the heat! MacAskill who said the decision was his and his alone acknowledged that there has been widespread condemnation throughout the world on the terrorist's release but said those concerns exceeded his jurisdiction. That is a continuation of his self interested BS!

A web site has been set up demanding the Scottish Government rescind Megrahi's release! The site Boycottscotland.com, said. "Unless the Scottish government rescinds this decision to release al Megrahi, and if the British parliament does not intervening in the matter all Americans to protest this action by boycotting the United Kingdom and Scotland in full." Gee no Scottish Whiskey? Scottish leaders hold crisis meeting over Lockerbie furore

Except for Islam and MacAskill the entire world is up in arms and calling for a Boycott of Scotland at this point I believe that should extend to Britain though there is no way I could envision the guy going back to prison whether he should or not. FBI Director Robert Mueller called the Libyan's release "a mockery of the rule of law and I have to agree!

Prime Minister Gordon Brown believes the early release of the the Lockerbie bomber is too sensitive to comment on. They made no comment before his release and will make no comment now. I refuse to believe that Brown or MacAskill can really think Megrahi's release does not give succor to the terrorists. I do see the Scottish Government in serious trouble over this though England will succeed in distancing herself. These guys are fools this subject is world encompassing and it is an insult to the entire world not to address it. It is too sensitive not to comment on! Downing Street says Lockerbie release is too sensitive to comment on

Meanwhile The battle in Pakistan continues to ratchet up between between Pakistan and the Taliban 35 militants arrested in NW Pakistan search operations and amongst the Taliban themselves as vengeance is taken on Mehsud's in laws and they are being killed.Killings Rattle Pakistan Taliban

I keep hoping the Taliban will continue to in fight vying to replace Baitullah Mehsud. I guess that appears not to be the case as we are hearing rumors that his successor has already been chosen. Waliur Rehman said that Baitullah had given him full control over the network and that a new leader "would be chosen within five days." Rehman made no reference to Hakimullah Mehsud, whose aides said separately later Saturday that he had been chosen as new leader during a meeting Friday. Pakistan Taliban commander vows Afghan fight

Despite Taliban infighting in Pakistan Pakistani Taliban fighters are committed to helping the fight in Afghanistan and consider Barack Obama their "No. 1 enemy," They vowed to continue to continue helping their brothers in Afghanistan repel the infidels and their success continues I am sorry to say! 3 NATO troops killed in southern Afghanistan Sunday

* I can only hope we stay focused on this so called war on terror. Meanwhile I can only hope that with two such fierce commanders as Hakimullah Mehsud and Waliur Rehman claiming to be the appointed leader that they kill each other off and hopefully save NATO lives!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Afghanistan War 'Serious' and 'Deteriorating As Afghan Challenger Widens Fraud Allegations!

Afghan Challenger Widens Fraud Allegations



Bush's 3D politics has spread around the world! Latest example Afghanistan! Afghanistan's flawed election, sounds like another American success! Seeing that the inept life long long loser was a total liar I was stunned that someone voted him in. He was voted to follow someone else's agenda. That turned out to be Rove and Cheney. Their controlling lying fear mongering led me to coin a phrase I now see the norm in our politics and every country around the world.

To me Rove Cheney and little Bush were the real axis of evil and were using their 3D politics to achieve their goals. (3D politics = Deceitful, deceptive, divisive politics) It seems in every election in every country we hear cries of fraud not just here in the US and more visibly in Iran during the June Presidential election. Why should we expect Afghanistan to be any different? Do what you have to and lie, I hate it! Anyway They too have learned from the example Bush set. Reporter's diary: Afghan elections

I have to tell you, I wrote a story about Afghanistan's election and that it must be legitimized the other day because it is important to the entire world and it was the first story I ever wrote that was not widely received. What is the Malaise? I want my sons and all our troops out. Anyway I am stunned! pre Bush and his underhanded crap to get elected and reelected I must admit I never heard of wide spread election problems and outright fraud and cries of vote rigging.

Afghan challenger says election "widely rigged"

Voter gripes abound as Afghans count presidential ballots Charges and counter charges are growing and coming from both leaders!

Bush pundits I reiterate often set the deceitful deceptive standard in what I called their 3D Politics. The world has taken note and their 3D Politics (deceptive, deceitful, divisive, Politics) has become the norm in America and now around the world. I am sick of hearing our Democracy is still developing as an excuse in election fraud. Our Democracy is still righting itself but it is the Republican goal to get it back to Bush's controlling low life standard.

You want to decry other Nations not just Afghanistan's election but their Politicians have learned their lesson well!Meanwhile I am listening right now to Admiral Mullins say the situation in Afghanistan is deteriorating and we must have successful elections so whoever the leader is can take control of the deteriorating country. I know Abdullah Abdullah is thought by ex Muhajadeen fighters to be able to control the Taliban and bring the nation together so my hope is with him. Afghan conflict serious, 'deteriorating'-Mullen

I was listening to Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff say more troops may be asked for. 15,000 to 45,000 more on top of those just added because the situation is serious and deteriorating. The challenges of Afghanistan are extraordinary. Bush screwed around in Iraq and created another Vietnam for Obama. I have long dreaded seeing another Saigon rout. We should get out NOW while the getting out is good and monitor how much want their so called Democracy!


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Afghanistan must honor our troops and their citizens and legitimize their election!

Afghanistan's presidential rivals claim victory



With Both sides claiming victory in Afghanistan it is Politics as usual since Bush! Amidst reports of vote rigging and voter intimidation both Abdullah and Karzai are declaring victory. Abdullah and Karzai are both saying they have enough votes to avoid a runoff. First, the brave citizens who defied the Taliban's threats and violence should be commended for wanting their leader and Democracy enough to come out and vote.

At least in disrupting and preventing the election the Taliban has failed. However if both sides declare victory it will delegitimize our efforts over there more importantly all our men and women over there for all our NATO forces. I have to hope the two front runners President Karzai and Abdullah Abdullah honor their Brave citizens and America's considerable effort and keep this election process honorable though I admit that would be too much to ask in our own sad Political state.

This is another test for Afghanistan's young Democracy. One man who came out of the poll with his young son after voting said we have only one life at the end of the day as in Iran Women came out in large numbers and carried the day Despite Taliban intimidation and violence. After just 3 polling stations were counted both sides see things in their favor but real results should start trickling in by August 25th with final results due around September 5th.

I did hear that one person with a voting card admitted that he was only 13 years old. I can only hope voting fraud in whatever shape was not wide spread and whoever wins the election it is legitimized and they can quell the violence as Abdullah and his supporters are confident he can do and we can get the heck out of there as soon as possible.

Our multiple millions spent on our efforts in Afghanistan are not my only concern but it might be with our $12 trillion in Debt and our rapid slide towards bankruptcy.
Karzai, Abdullah teams claim wins in Afghan vote




James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

I take it as a personal insult that al-Megrahi was released on grounds of compassion !

Details of the release of the Lockerbie bomber al-Megrahi



Scotland Orders Release of Lockerbie Bomber

Reactions to release of al-Megrahi

So what he has cancer and is going to die! Let him stay in [prison and die as the coward he is. He murdered 270 innocent civilians. It is not right to let him go back to Libya to die free and a hero! Former Libyan intelligence agent Abdel Basset al-Megrahi was released on grounds of compassion. BS! Show some compassion for those he murder and those he left to suffer for the rest of their lives.

If you want to show compassion leave him in Prison where he will get better medical care than he will in Libya. He will be treated in many parts of the world as a hero for what he did and releasing him is an insult to all free mankind! 189 of the 270 were American and I refuse to believe we took a back seat to Scotland. This friggen release is an insult and was done to gain favor for Britain and Scotland along with more oil. In the long run this too will backfire!

I am deeply insulted with Megrahi's release! It is inappropriate and dead wrong that this was done at the Judges discretion and on one in the entire world can question this. This is another travesty! Former Libyan intelligence agent Abdel Basset al-Megrahi as you know was in Mohamar Qaddafi' secret service and worked directly for him. Qaddafi ordered the bombing that downed Pan Am flight 103 killing 270 innocent civilians.

I am disgusted we have allowed this mass murderer a known terrorist to go free, to go home to a heroes welcome. This is reprehensible! Terrorist freedom swapped for oil WTF? I do not care about our so called improved relations with Libya. Right is right and wrong is wrong and this is friggen wrong. Improved relations should include present and future not the past! This is insulting to the families and all of us. We are showing our weakness and reliance on Muslim oil. Have we no morals?

Megrahi's release was purely to further the interests of Britain and Scotland in the Muslim world. I am sick, this is more grovelling! It is an insult to all of us to set Megrahi the only person convicted in the bombing free. This absolutely is a victory for Islamists. I hope to God we are smart rnough to have his every move monitored and learn who contacts him including Qaddafi. How many people do we have to feed these animals?

I can't believe I am saying this but now is the first time I want to hear what Cheney has to say about something. The Minister of Scotland who has long wanted Megrahi released has insulted the entire world. Megrahi is terminally ill so what? This is purely Political so Brits and Scots can get more Libyan oil. 1/3 of all request for release from prison in Scotland for compassionate release from prison is denied. I am sick to my stomach that he was released using the excuse that he was dying to cover the real reason of swapping a terrorist for oil. This will screw us all with the Islamists! What the hell is wrong with us. We

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Kabul under attack! This is the only safe city in Afghanistan?

Taliban code of conduct



NATO convoy attacked outside Kabul 7 civilians killed many wounded. It is a good thing the Taliban puts civilian safety first. Remember Mullah Omar's code of conduct! Taliban issues code of conduct that tells fighters to limit suicide attacks and avoid civilian deaths Good thing huh?

Multiple rockets fired in Kabul dead and dying everywhere Good thing those civilians matter!

violence will get worse as promised by head of UN commission Despite the uptick in violence and the stifling heat people by the thousands still risk life and limb to listen to popular Presidential rival Abdullah Abdullah.

Taliban publicly execute woman

Kabul under attack Everything important is being hit, Presidential Palace, Government headquarters, police headquarters, supply lines. Good thing Kabul is the only secure city in Afghanistan. Yeah right! What do you think about those upcoming elections and the security of the people now?

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Our Allies Hamas? The Grim face of a Warrior of God, Massacre at Rafah!

Islamists killed after challenging Hamas


Hamas massacres 24 Al Qaeda destroying a Mosque as they help themselves and the West! This is just one more instance but the more I try to be in the know the more I find out I don't know. I thought Hamas was the undisputed ruler in Gaza and the enemy of Israel where Fatah was willing to make room for Israel.

The more I learn the more convoluted this too is getting. I learned that many of the bombings in Gaza I for one attributed to Hamas was actually done by any of the hundreds of groups springing up in Gaza to replace Hams as they are thought of as being too liberal. Not Islamist enough, too liberal, Hamas? Many of the bombings of internet cafe's and foreign schools have actually been performed by foreign Groups smuggling in weapons and explosives.

They have been doing much of the dirty work for Hamas so have been tolerated. Friday Junut Ansar Allah (Soldiers of Allah's Supporters), Abd al-Latif Musa made a crucial mistake. His supporters growing in numbers have been increasingly calling for him to declare the birth of an Islamic emirate in Gaza. What a mistake and it was his last. ANALYSIS / Hamas swiftly crushes challenge to its rule in Gaza

Jund Ansar Allah is only one of several tiny radical Islamist groups that have sprung up to challenge Hamas because they have not imposed Islamic law. Stupid me I thought they did. I guess there is no halfway! Hamas leaves how strict you want to be up to the people. That sounds good to me. Isn't that a Democracy?

Those radical groups want to see a regime similar to the one in Sudan and other Islamic countries where thieves have their arms amputated and those found guilty of adultery are stoned to death. What about women's rights? A girls right to education? Women's rights? Looking at the face Abd al-Latif Musa he was scary as hell. Rule under him would have been brutal. Radical Leader Killed in Gaza Clashes

The more I learn the more I think that Israel better be thankful for Hamas and hope they stay in power. I thought Hamas and Al Qaeda was bad. I did not know there were so many smaller groups willing to challenge them because they are not strict enough. One by one Hamas is killing them off. It was a pleasure to watch them annihilate each other. Jonathan Kay on Jund Ansar Allah and the intra-Islamist showdown ...

While its great that Muslims butcher each other "over there" because they can not even tolerate each others differences and they have the weapons to do so closer to home, now throughout the west, Muslims are trying to remove our freedoms through a thousand cuts. Their demands for sharia law are now part of English common law. They demand, by this always outraged theocracy, we change our school food, swimming pools, clothing rules, anything to pressure our tolerant society to bow to their wishes. What's next?

Somehow we think Muslims will change and throw off the yoke of their religion that has kept the Muslim world a dead zone for a thousand years when they come here. Check out the "honor killings" and the number of full veil burkhas around Muslim areas in Toronto. That will never happen! We seem to be able to accept their differences If only they would accept ours and we would honor their lands.

I understand that the thought is that Fatah has had a hand in arming groups seeking to overthrow Hamas. After looking at all these groups how strict and vicious they are one look at the scary as heel vicious face of just one on their killer religious leaders Abd al-Latif Musa will make you think Israel and the US should make an effort to work with Hamas! Jund Ansar Allah group was armed by Fatah operatives, Hamas claims



James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

The children of the world at war!!

Taliban Legacy of using children at war!



Originally I was going to do a story I knew would be controversial as I was going to discuss the convoluted strengthening relationship between "the Great Satan and the Government of Pakistan even as the hate for the US by the Pakistani people continues. Lord knows you can not fault them for that. We have earned it! Pakistan can't admit it but we did them a favor killing Mehsud because Pakistanis oppose the Taliban but still revile US. I was sent something I have to discuss that is more important and it is not just the Taliban kidnapping little children to be used as suicide bombers or forced to fight for them. So I am just going to supply the links on the changing relationship between Pakistan and the US since President Zadari'es election and now the death of Mehsud. Killing of Militant Shows Cementing us-Pakistan Ties

Poll: Pakistanis oppose Taliban, still revile US

For the last week or so I have been seeing stories that the Taliban was kidnapping boys to be used as suicide bombers and to fight for them. I thought that was pretty much expected as it happens all over the world. I watched a special on Islam and how little kids are taught to hate kill and even die! It focused on Afghanistan and Palestine where tiny kids who had family killed by Israel said they wish they could be Hamas to kill Jews. This brainwashing of children to carry on adults old hatreds has to stop if we are to put an end to these traditional hatreds and killings.

Looking at the facts in the below link compelled me to post The children of the world at war!!
Check out "A Taliban Legacy: Using Children as Weapons : ALL THINGS PAKISTAN"

I know I am from the old school, I mean 1776! Thomas Jefferson thought principles were inate and so did I.Researching him and experiencing the world today makes me realize those of us with principles are a dying breed. Stupid me I have been disgust at the lack of morality I have seen since Bush. Nothing should surprise me any more but it always does.

Stupid me I grew up with the warrior code and still have it. I believe in doing the right thing and living by example. Anyway I do not understand that the Taliban was kidnapping and brainwashing kids as young as 9 to fight for them. I was a bit surprised to find that Baitullah Mehsud also recruited little kids to fight for him. Level of duty determined by brains and physical prowess. Seems to me like the small and unintelligent would be chosen as suicide bombers.

In the all things Pakistan link it was noted that 300 or 400 kids were kidnapped to fight for the Taliban. Also that 250,000 young boys were used to fight in wars around the world. The link below uses 300,000. Even young girls are recruited to fight and die. After watching them fight in Africa for years in Darfur Somalia and other parts of Africa along with everywhere else in the world
Experiences of child soldiers

* In closing it is harder than ever to be a child anywhere today let alone fighting and killing and dying as a way of life before you even hit puberty. At any rate II would expect the number of children being used to wage war to be well over a million and growing. If we are to end these often age old wars we have got to start with the children, reach them and reeducate them.



James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

In Iran This is Huge as Iran's ex Prime Ministers challenge Khamenei's ability to rule!

Iranian ex-MPs challenge Khamenei

We have been watching events in Iran unfold on a daily basis as those protesting the stolen election to keep Ahmadinejad and his fascist agenda in power. Despite the brutality and death inflicted on those protesting the election along with constant threats and demands to cease and desist the demand by the people to be heard may have gone underground just a bit but it continues.

Cries of death to the Dictator Khamenei continues and knowing President Ali Akbar Rafsanjani, who heads the Assembly of Experts is himself still protesting loudly over the stolen election and the way Ahmadinejad has been selecting his new cabinet along with the brutal performance of Ayatollah Khamenei this new development is very promising. Rafsanjani too wants the alleged rapes and murders in prison probed along with the brutality and deaths inflicted on the children of the 1979 revolution.

Knowing a month ago Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, the former Iranian president said that Iran is in crisis and openly continued to support Moussavi despite condemnation for doing so. I am pretty pleased to know that the power to remove Khamenei may be in Rafsanjani's hands as the cries of death to the dictator have been changed to requests by former MP's to have Khamenei removed as the so called Supreme leader because as far as they are concerned Khamenei has proven incapable of fulfilling his constitutional duties and should be dismissed.

As most of you know by now Rafsanjani heads the Assembly of experts who amongst other things can dismiss the Supreme leader if it is deemed that he is incapable of fulfilling his constitutional duties I know I am an outsider but he undoubtedly has. Anyway events continue to ratchet up towards a regime change in Iran as a group of MP's have now sent a letter to Rafsanjani expressing their concern that Khamenei may be unable to perform his constitutional duties. The brave souls were not named nor did they sign the letter!

He is unfit as he does not care about the will of the people therefore by that alone by Revolution standards he should step down or be replaced. The letter was addressed to former Iranian President Ali Akbar Rafsanjani, who heads the Assembly of Experts demanding a legal probe on the basis of Article 111 of the constitution, which is one of the responsibilities of the Assembly of Experts.

Unless they identify themselves endangering their lives and the stability of Iran the letter can be dismissed as phony and even written by Rafsanjani himself. I agree with this but it could be very dangerous and destabilizing for Iran allowing the ruthless IRGC and Basij to brutally clamp down and quell this once and for all. Maybe they wrote the letter.
The letter denounced the recent trials of protesters held in Tehran and the fascist joke of court hearings. . It also said Kahrizak prison where much of the alleged abuse of detainees took place including rape and murder, was worse than Abu Ghraib, Iraq, and Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. As of yet there has so far been no response from the assembly to the letter.

The letter breaks a taboo among Iran's political classes against openly challenging the supreme leader, whose word has long been unquestioned. I am stunned that instead of releasing the innocent protesters there are calls for Islamic justice which is the amputation of hands and feet or worse. Amidst the fascism and stolen elections Iran has actually issued a new stamp to commemorate the stolen elections. Adding insult to insult to insult to insult. It just doesn't stop! Below are the links to the items of interest discussed if you are interested in reading the stories!

Iranian Cleric Denounces Allegations of Torture Against Jailed ...

Hardline Iran cleric urges tough stance on detainees

Iranian opposition in direct challenge to Supreme Leader. Can it work?

Khamenei appoints new chief of Iran judiciary

Iran issues new stamp to commemorate election


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Hello E.T.! New hope for Intelligent life on other planets. Watch the awesome slide show!

Intelligent life beyond Earth might not be as dim a hope as many scientists thought, according to a new study challenging a widely held anti-ET argument researched by astrobiologist Milan M. Cirkovic and colleagues. Check out the astrobiological clock and the Supernova, awesome! There is some phenomenal research here I recommend enlightening yourself! They found the flaw some of us knew existed in past theories!

I had to run down to the VA so I am going to lighten up today and let you look at some beautiful pictures and contemplate the very real possibility that we are not alone as many of us already knew. astrobiologist Milan M. Cirkovic found a serious flaw in theory of how life is formed in the planetary system not just here on earth. Being a knower that we are not alone and from childhood an astrology buff and searcher of the stars I read the work and delved into every link. Fantastic!

Cirkovic's theories connect the life of a star and the evolution of life on a planet and I invite you to read the theories and look at the Beautiful picture of galaxies and planetary life forming. New hope for intelligent life on other planets

With Billions of Galaxies and billions upon billions upon billions of planets as the basic cycle of life progresses you know earth is not a one shot thing and we do have company.Officially we may know about it but like everything else impacting our lives it will be denied and kept secret until we have to deal with it head on. I have written about it extensively in a series I called Religion and the lies we call history which I included in one of my books.

By researching different beliefs it was simple to put them all together and come up with the truth about life on earth. The truth in anything can not be found in one belief or the other one always must look at them and objectively put the truth together. I will not get any deeper than that but will introduce you to two important sources of research you may want to read. Have you ever heard of retired Sister Karen Armstrong and her history of God?

How about Erich Von Daniken'sExtraterrestrial influence on early culture and Chariots of the Gods Anyway I better stop, you have enough to think about from the astrobiological clock to the believed truths about life on earth. You don't need my thoughts!!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Look at the Big picture: We're killing them so Pakistan Taliban in disarray prepared to make a deal to fight westerners in Afghanistan!

Major Afghan Offensive



I see a lot of progress being made in both Pakistan and Afghanistan so what I learned about the ISI making a deal with Pakistan's Taliban so they would leaver Pakistan alone and be free to fight the west in Afghanistan. There is too much going in in both countries and by more than one country so I will once again supply you with links to the story you may want to look at. Look at them all as together they paint the whole picture. I will present my synopsis at the end!

Dozens die in militant battle in NW Pakistan

US sees signs of disarray within Pakistani Taliban

I hope some of my friends in Pakistan help me understand this because man we are making major head way here in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. We know there is no making deals with the Taliban and Al Qaeda. We have seen the results of the deals Pakistan has made with the Taliban in the past. The action by the Government of Pakistan today is the result. The link above as really troubling to me!

With all of Pakistan's success and the death of Mehsud now is the time to strike not make deals. I understand that the major war lords in South Waziristan has long and extensive ties in the ISI. The agency is viewed with awe and dread. It is the eyes and ears of military power. The agency is notorious and feared eliciting awe and fear from Pakistani's as this report illustrates

Right now the ISI is in negations with war lords in South Waziristan for a treaty. Since Mehsud's reported death, the TTP ( Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan) has been beset by infighting as several high-level commanders vie to replace Mehsud. One or two commanders have already been killed and I wish they would kill themselves off. I know there are a reported 70 to 90 Taliban killed by pro Government forces but there is much to be done.
Instead of pressing the fight in South Waziristan there are negotiations with some war lords. Those identified as the most likely turncoats in this strategy are the leaders of the Ahmedzai Wazir tribe, Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Maulvi Nazir. Both are primarily interested in fighting against Western forces in Afghanistan. The ISI will leave them alone if they will leave Pakistan alone and concentrate on killing western forces in Afghanistan. What the hell is that? That can't happen! Pakistan Military Not Capitalizing on Taliban Disarray

Someone help me out here! I am hoping that is merely a ploy to get more cooperation concessions and money from the US. This pincer movement by Pakistan and NATO in Afghanistan is really bearing fruit. Now is not the time for anyone to step back but to step up. For the first time the Marines are taking control of Taliban held towns after extensive firefights. Troops exchanged heavy fire with insurgents in Dahaneh, in the southern province of Helmand, killing at least seven of them after an 8 hour firefight. The Taliban had been forewarned. Marines Raid Taliban-Controlled Town

U.S. Troops Move Deeper Into Afghanistan's Helmand Province; One Marine Killed - washingtonpost.com

On their end 600 British marine commandos killed 130 Taliban in their daring raid on bases in the opium-swamped Marjah region of Helmand. Six-hundred commandos fought in a ferocious 3 day assaul to take the most important Taliban stronghold yet. Royal Marines kill 130 Taliban during a three-day raid in the Marjah region of Helmand in Afghanistan | The Sun |N

Pentagon Says Operations to Clear Taliban Will Expand

Make your deals do what you must but now is not the time to step back. I increasingly see more and more progress in our fight against the Taliban instead of the other way around. They are on the run and we must keep them running until more countries step up and we put an end to this.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) and its Basij militia set up to protect the ruling system has become the ruling system!

With the horror unleashed by the IRG and Basij and calls for death to opposition leaders by their General a Q & A on the IRG and the Basij is a must read! There is a question and answer session below that you will want to look at. The more I learn about The IRGC and the Basij the larger and more powerful they get. I am convinced they are now in control period!

They were set up to protect the ruling authority after 1979 and are supposed to be controlled By Ayatollah Khatemei who is supposed to be the final authority. I know Ahmadinejad and 2/3 of his first 21 member cabinet are ex IRGC members and that simply reinforces that I am increasingly led to think the IRGC has become the final authority not the Supreme leader.

The Supreme leader is appearing as a puppet needed to keep the religious leaders together and to make it appear that they are still in charge. I know I am not Iranian but I was stunned to find the thugs in the IRGC and the Basij number in the millions. General Yadollah Javani, director of the IRGC's political arm says his thugs we all saw in action beating and killing protesters prevented an attempt to overthrow Islamic rule.

From what I can see Kharroubi, Moussavi, and Khatami want a return to the peoples will and Islamic rule and the IRGC who is now in charge is preventing that at all costs. The as I now know has a very strong Political arm. The IRGC also conducts popular military training, they operate a domestic media apparatus and run education programs or should we say brain washing programs to constantly increase their numbers.

Since the 1979 Revolution they have also become a major contractor with ties to firms controlling billions of dollars in business, construction, finance and commerce and are a major contractor, with ties to firms controlling billions of dollars in business, construction, finance and commerce. The IRGC is thought to be factionalized as standouts such as ex IRGC officer Ali Larijani being critics of Ahmadinejad but I certainly do not think so. They have become a major force capable of taking control of Iran and I am afraid nothing less than that is what has happened.

Not only has the IRGC perpetrated the horror and brutality we have all witnessed in and out of jail and lord knows the horror we will never know about but to add insult to injury Brigadier General Yadollah Javani a senior official with Iran's increasingly powerful Revolutionary Guard is calling for the prosecution of two key opposition leaders and a former president, accusing them of fanning the protests that have gripped the nation since its disputed presidential election two months ago.

Opposition leaders Mir Hossein Moussavi and Mehdi Karroubi, along with former reformist President Mohammad Khatami, he says should be tried for attempting to lead a Western-backed revolution that aimed to topple the regime. I am sick of hearing that crap. That was not western backed though I am sure they and us have been cheering this on. Those people merely want their true people led Republic back not the IRGC controlled Islamist Republic of Iran.

He wants the judiciary to go after them, arrest them, put them on trial and punish them according to the law. Do you know what that will do to the unrest in Iran? it will blow big time and you have to think that is what Javani wants. Then he will be able to get all this out in the open and have his millions of thugs put this to rest once and for all but I don't like what I see happening.

Javani heads the Guard's political bureau. The Guard, which was initially created to protect the leaders of the revolution, is under the direct control of Iran's supreme leader and enforces the governments' Islamic codes and morality supposedly but I believe they are actually in control. Top Iran general: Prosecute opposition leaders

Meanwhile Karroubi steadfastly maintains an independent panel needs to investigate the rape torture and death perpetrated on those in jail and by the IRG and Basij. Mehdi Karroubi says an "impartial committee" is needed to investigate alleged mistreatment of detainees

Mousavi aide: 69 killed in post-vote unrest

Please read the Q & A on Iran's Revolutionary Guard and the Basij militia and you will see for yourself who is really in control of Iran and how this is all going to play out!Q & A on Iran's Revolutionary Guard and the Basij militia

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Did you know General McChrystal was Cheney's chief assassin?

Taliban target Afghan elections - 10 Aug 09



Taliban Attack Government Buildings South of Kabul

As usual words were taken out of context to make a story. This time when McChrystal said the Taliban was adapting so we must change tactics. I have heard that NATO said we need more troops and McChrystal on top of the thousands of additional troops already added in the surge plus the additional 4,000 asked for, for training says even more troops may be needed. Taliban gains upper hand in Afghanistan: US commander

I talk about it often that I knew we had a force in place in Pakistan to secure their nukes if we think they are in danger of falling into extremists hands. I do not think I knew that General McChrystal was in charge of that force or that he was in charge of Cheney's assassin squads. I did know he was the head of the Delta force but never thought about their clandestine activities. I invite you to read this and think about it all! Obama's General in charge of Afghanistan was Cheney's chief assassin

Now we're talking as US targets Opium Barons and they attack elections! That said I think we are on the right track finally! I do not think the Taliban is winning nor do I think they have the upper hand. Certainly not now that Baitullah Mehsud was killed taking Al Qaeda and the Taliban's safe haven and the glue that held them together away from them. Especially now that I know who General McChrystal is. We are starting to do the right thing. Opium barons at top of kill or capture list as US targets the Taleban

Generally our so called leaders are very slow to catch on if they aver do but McChrystal is finally doing the right thing in targeting the opium Barons. I do not think it will have any effect what so ever on Opium production. I happen to believe that the opium Barons are Taliban themselves and or certainly know who is as they grow and sell their opium to them to fund their movement.

I know our misleaders have not thought about it but in targeting the opium Barons McChrystal is actually helping the little guy and furthering Capitalism in Afghanistan because this will create a niche for the small poppy farmer who will grow opium and will at the very least sell it on the black market.

The Afghan citizens and the small time poppy farmer are the winners in the Taliban and General McChrystal's new plans as the Taliban say protecting the citizens is their main goal and General McChrystal says the premium is on safeguarding the Afghan population. Sounds like a win, win for the average Afghani to me. Now if we can only get them to care enough about their living condition to help with the so called terrorists like Pakistan's citizens are.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Iraqi civil war that will engulf the entire middle east was a given Bush ignored for God!

KURD-ARAB, SUNNI-SHIITE DISPUTES



I have to reiterate something I have said too many times since Bush chose to ignore all warnings of total civil war spreading throughout the entire middle east so he could attack Iraq and straighten out the middle east as God spoke to him and instructed him to. Knowing we are hearing Rumors of Israel attacking Iran by years end and how that will unite Iran I have to wonder how that will further alter the breakdown in Iraq? Will they unite against Israel? Us?

You know I firmly believe and have said so a million times by now that since 9/11 everything was construed to allow Bush to gain the power he needed to prosecute his new order not just in the middle east but on the entire world! He diverted from Afghanistan to get back into the middle east with the goal of setting up a larger safety zone for Israel and going after Iran. Both will fail! It has long been my contention that coming to Israel's aid once they attack Iran will be our in to Iran!

Bush has created a hell on earth for Iraq that he calls liberty and success with promises to spread it throughout the entire middle east. He has long wanted a Korea style force in Iraq to secure the peace! That will never work in Iraq or the middle east! Planting our military in the middle of the mess Bush has created out of the middle east because of his failed Democratization program is going to be a Custer's Last Stand on a grand scale! looking at the war cabinet Obama has amassed I am going to say at this point that this is going to happen even under a President Obama.

The verdict is still out on Iran but an attack by Israel will unite them and would create hell for us in the middle east. My claims of Bush wanting a Korea style force in Iraq that would result in a Custer's last stand in Iraq is right now in the balance and getting closer every day. I am afraid the Colonel's analysis on Iraq made public last week is flawed and is only partly right but his conclusion is totally flawed. I believe he is right it is time to get out. However he is dead wrong saying that Iraqi forces are competent enough to hold off Sunni insurgents, Shiite militias and other internal threats to the Iraqi government.

There is no way! What about the Kurds who want their autonomy and they do not want to share their oil fields period. Nuri Al-Maliki wants that issue resolved and it will never be. Knowing that, Al-Maliki really concerns me saying we can stay after 2011 if the Iraqis require further training and support. Iraq PM admits US troops may stay

I can agree with the Colonel that the Iraqi forces have an array of problems, including corruption, poor management and the inability to resist political pressure from Shiite political parties. For all of these problems, however, Reese argues that Iraqi forces are competent enough to hold off Sunni insurgents, Shiite militias and other internal threats to the Iraqi government. However Reese argues that Iraqi forces are competent enough to hold off Sunni insurgents, Shiite militias and other internal threats to the Iraqi government. Adviser's Memo: It's Time to Leave Iraq | theledger.com | The ...


There is no way in hell Iraq is going to be able to deal with all that plus the Kurd's fighting for autonomy. That is why Al-maliki's statement that we can stay if the Iraqis require further training and support bothers me. The word support! I don't mind giving them training but I do not want to be left there long enough for the Kurd fight to erupt and we end up doing the fighting for Iraq. Right now the Kurd's like us but like everything else in the middle east that can change on a dime and would. Iraqi premier: Kurdish-Arab dispute must be solved

I just want to say in one respect the Colonel is right we better get out and now. It is more than time! We never should have diverted our forces from Afghanistan in the first place. Pull out immediately send some forces home to R and R and send all the rest along with the equipment to Afghanistan where they should have been in the first place. It is a given Bush ignored to attack Iraq but it will erupt into sectarian chaos. When it does Republicans will blame it on us. However as I have been saying for years, it is time to see how much Iraq really wants it's Democracy! Gates said troop withdrawal may be sped up well make it now!

I see an absolute blow up of the entire middle east with us stuck in the middle of it. Many of us have been saying for 6 years now Iraq will have to be broken into 3 separate countries, for the Sunni, Shiite, and Kurds. However with the Kurds wanting part of Iran and Turkey for a separate Kurdistan and Israel's expected attack on Iran I only see a total middle east breakdown Bush guaranteed from day one!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com