Saturday, March 08, 2008

We were lied to! Bush to veto waterboarding, improved homeland security, long term security deal with Iraq, we're still not safe, they wonder why? Duh

I am so sick of the daily, controlling, lying, underhanded, idiocy! Today's line of stories would explain reality to a total idiot if they would only ignore the partisan rhetoric, look at the big picture and think for yourself because you will not hear the unbiased truth today only the manufactured "truth" one side or the other wants you to believe so they can follow their underhanded agenda.

I keep saying the chief idiot has given me something different to worry about with my sons being in his wars now that he is telling the so called terrorists it is okay to waterboard and torture if they follow the chief idiots directions! President George W. Bush said Saturday he vetoed legislation that would ban the CIA from using harsh interrogation methods such as waterboarding to break suspected terrorists because it would end practices that have prevented attacks.

"The bill Congress sent me would take away one of the most valuable tools in the war on terror," Bush said in his weekly radio address taped for broadcast Saturday. "So today I vetoed it," Bush said. The bill provides guidelines for intelligence activities for the year and includes the interrogation requirement. It passed the House in December and the Senate last month. "This is no time for Congress to abandon practices that have a proven track record of keeping America safe," the president said. Supporters of the legislation say it would preserve the United States' ability to collect critical intelligence and raise the country's moral standing abroad.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress would work to override Bush's veto next week. "In the final analysis, our ability to lead the world will depend not only on our military might, but on our moral authority," said Pelosi, a California Democrat. But based on the margin of passage in each chamber, it would be difficult for the Democratic-controlled Congress to turn back the veto. It takes a two-thirds majority, and the House vote was 222-199 and the Senate's was 51-45. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Bush often warns against ignoring the advice of U.S. commanders on the ground in Iraq. Yet the president has rejected the Army Field Manual, which recognizes that harsh interrogation tactics elicit unreliable information, said Reid, a Nevada Democrat.

* Bush "will go down in history as the torture president" for defying Congress and allowing the CIA to use interrogation techniques "that any reasonable observer would call torture." "The Bush administration continues to insist that CIA and other nonmilitary interrogators are not bound by the military rules and has reportedly given CIA interrogators the green light to use a range of so-called 'enhanced' interrogation techniques, including prolonged sleep deprivation, painful stress positions, and exposure to extreme cold," Daskal said. "Although waterboarding is not currently approved for use by the CIA, Attorney General Michael Mukasey has refused to take it off the table for the future." The intelligence bill would limit CIA interrogators to the 19 techniques allowed for use by military questioners. The Army field manual in 2006 banned using methods such as waterboarding or sensory deprivation on uncooperative prisoners. Bush said the CIA must retain use of "specialized interrogation procedures" that the military does not need. The military methods are designed for questioning "lawful combatants captured on the battlefield," while intelligence professionals are dealing with "hardened terrorists" who have been trained to resist the techniques in the Army manual, the president said. Bush's torture argument

This idiots lunacy never ceases to stupefy and amaze me! he tells the terrorists to torture and
then claims responsibility for us not having another attack? The SOB is asking for it! President Bush marked the fifth anniversary of the Department of Homeland Security with a warning that terrorists are determined to attack again. VOA White House Correspondent Scott Stearns reports, Mr. Bush wants immunity for telecommunications firms that have helped the government listen-in on conversations with suspected terrorists. Read Bush's spew

In the middle of all this BS and lies The United States and Iraq are opening negotiations in Baghdad on a blueprint for a long-term relationship, plus a narrower deal to define the legal basis for a U.S. troop presence, a Pentagon official said Friday. Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said the talks are scheduled to start Saturday. Leading the U.S. negotiating team will be Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq. He will be assisted by senior officials from the Pentagon, the State Department and the White House's National Security Council. the specifics again withheld

** Attacking Iraq and getting us in the middle east to begin to change existing world order was the goal in the first place. We haven't been attacked again not because of what Bush has done but rather in spite of what he has done. The danger in the first was created so the NeoCons could follow this new world order agenda. The truth will never be known. The only way to end it is to get someone in who will put an end to the underhanded agenda we have been following under Bush and just fight the wars present and future that Bush has laid the foundation for regardless of who is elected!

James Joiner
Gardner Ma


Unknown said...

The chickens will come home to roost. When our soldiers get 'kidnapped' and tortured, we will be screaming 'bloody murder', yet it is us that set the precedent.

Larry said...

What about this Jim:

US Prepares For 'Doomsday' Rule As British Forces Arrive In America

Sorcha Faal

Russian Military Analysts are reporting in the Kremlin today that China's President Hu has refused the United States request for over $2 Trillion in emergency assistance to bolster the collapsing American Dollar, and asked for in a personal meeting with the former US President Bush, the father of the current President Bush.

Of the worst fears of the American Bush-Clinton Monarchy, which has ruled the US these past 20 years, these reports state, is the collapse of their privately owned hedge fund called the Carlyle Capital Fund and which is owned by their secretive war profiteering International behemoth Carlyle Group led by the Bush Family, Former British Prime Ministers, and others of the West's ruling elite, and as we can read as reported by Britain's Independent News Service:

"A fund managed by the US private equity giant Carlyle Group has become the latest to be hit by demands from lending banks making calls on loans secured on mortgage bonds.

Carlyle Capital Corp, a publicly traded fund that holds $21.7bn (£10.8bn) of securities, said it had received a default notice from one of its lending banks and expected at least one more after it failed to meet demands for extra security from jittery counterparties.

The Guernsey-based fund has struggled to meet more than $60m of margin calls and demands for extra collateral since the start of the month. It met the calls until Wednesday, when it was landed with more than $37m of demands and missed four out of seven calls."

To the greatest concerns, however, of Russian Military Commanders are the reports of President Bush's younger brother Neil's 'sudden' visit to the South American Nation of Paraguay as a guest of the secretive South Korean backer of the Bush-Clinton Monarchy, and self-proclaimed "messiah" Reverend Sun Myung Moon, and as we can read as reported by the Associated Press News Service:

"Neil Bush, younger brother of U.S. President George W. Bush, called on Paraguay's president as the guest of a business federation founded by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon.

A presidential press office source, who spoke on condition of not being named, confirmed the younger Bush met President Nicanor Duarte on Thursday along with a delegation from the Universal Peace Federation, a group associated with Moon."

[It is important to note that the Bush Family has reportedly already made plans to relocate from the United States to Paraguay, and as we had reported on in our October 15, 2006 report titled "US President Bush Makes Massive Land Purchase In Paraguay Ahead Of Expected War Crimes Charges", but denied by the US State Department, as that South American Nation has long been a refuge for Nazi War Criminals and their Western backers, of which the Bush Family were one of.]

The timing of this Bush Family-Moon visit to Paraguay during that Nation's horrific outbreak of yellow fever, and which has caused its President to declare a 'State of Emergency', meant, these reports say, that 'normal' abilities of [deleted] to track the whereabouts of these subjects was severely hampered due to the many restrictions placed upon the free movement of people within the country.

This has led Russian Commanders to believe that the Bush-Clinton Monarchy may be preparing for what the Americans themselves have titled a 'Doomsday' scenario under new laws passed in the US in 2005 and which has been described as:

"No longer do Capitol Hill legislators need a quorum to do the people's business. Now under a piece of hotly contested legislation passed without media attention on Jan. 5,[2005] only a few members of Congress are needed to do official business in the event of a catastrophe instead of the usual 218. Critics claim H. Res. 5 paves the way for tyranny, allowing "only a few to decide for so many."

As we had previously reported on in our February 24, 2008 report titled "Canadian Troops To Patrol US Cities As Food Riots Feared", and where Russian Military Analysts had voiced their fears of the agreement signed by the Americans and Canada to allow their troops on each others soil, these new reports detail an even darker picture that details that British, and not American, Officers are currently being trained to 'control' US citizens, and as we can read as reported by the LJWorld News Service in their report titled "Brits overrun town for training exercise", and which says:

"Thursday may have seemed like any other day for most in Leavenworth, but for about 180 British officers, an enemy was on the loose threatening civilians. Tactical forces were moved in, and soldiers took their positions outside schools and churches preparing to isolate the terrorist activity. While it may have been a fictional enemy in theory, for visiting officers with the United Kingdom's Intermediate Command and Staff Course who were roaming the streets of Leavenworth, the tactical solutions they used to end the threats were real."

In previous reports we had detailed how the US Military had begun asking their soldiers if they would fire on American citizens and which has led to their War Leaders request to have Canadian and British Military Forces take command in putting down the expected rebellions in the United States as they are more likely to have no problems killing those not of their own nationality.

Facing the American people now is the very real coming destruction of their Nation, and which their leaders have planned both for the success, and failure of, no matter the cost in human lives.

But, in viewing from outside this destruction of the United States, it remains unsettling how few of these people realize the great danger they are in. It is as if they believe that by their not knowing the truth of the monsters who are leading them they themselves will somehow be protected.

And, as their once World-valued currency plummets into worthlessness, as tens of thousands of them begin to lose their jobs, as the price they pay for fuel and food continues skyrocketing, as they continue to be forced out of their homes by the millions, as many millions more of them have watched the value of their homes crumble into dust, virtually none of them are preparing for the catastrophes to come.

One cannot help but believe that these peoples are all insane.

jmsjoin said...

You make me laugh! If you have the room you should eventually get some chickens. They can take care of themselves essentially. You do not need a rooster for eggs only for reproduction. Interesting subject but anyway!
You are right though. I have posted on it a few times because now the chief idiot is telling the so called terrorists that it is okay to torture my sons. This gut is a friggen idiot. What a waste of humanity! We don't have enough to worry about he just keeps piling it on. Eventually...

jmsjoin said...

Sorcha Faals doomsday scenario as well as the crap about Bush and Paraguay we have again discussed numerous times but it is very scary and sadly real.
It is going to happen but most here are too [ampered and stupid to realize how screwed we are. It is coming ans soon!
When I got out of the service in 1978 I tried to get my 3 brothers to buy houses with me in a square so we could build a protective compound.
They thought I was crazy. I am not as vulnerable as most though and I will help those around me wherever I am. In this regard I had a good conversation with brother yesterday. I will send this to Brother and Anok so thanks. i haven't had a chance to check on Bush's crap for the day and maybe I will discuss this today, we'll see!

TomCat said...

But, Jim, without torture, how can Bush and the GOP fix the intelligence around the policy by getting captives to lie?

Dave Dubya said...

The report titled, "US President Bush Makes Massive Land Purchase In Paraguay Ahead Of Expected War Crimes Charges" may have substance to the legality of the situation, but practically speaking, Bush has nothing to fear. This is especially true due to the total lack of moral backbone in the "opposition party." If the Democrats ignore their oath to the Constitution and fail to impeach or indict the Bush cartel, then the crooks will go free.

How sad is that? No Constitution. No justice. No peace. No economic responsibility. No accountability anywhere in American government. Our nation is already ethically, spiritually, morally, and now, financially dead.

jmsjoin said...

you have to laugh! bush tortures but says it depends on how you do it. Now I have to be worried that Bush gave the okay for my sons to be tortured. Hell, I would probably lie too and tell them what they wanted to hear. What the hell is wrong with these idiots!

jmsjoin said...

I have to agree with you and it is sad. He doesn't have to worry about the complicit Democrats. It is Russia, China, and much of the rest of the world the chief idiot has to worry about.

Captain USpace said...

I also bet you don't believe that Islamofascists wanting to enslave the Earth in Sharia law.
Violating human rights, especially women's and gay's.

Stoning adulterers and women who have been raped and make the mistake of complaining.

The moonbats on the Left are insane. If they want to know what torture is they should take a look at the Al Qaeda torture manual that was found by troops in Iraq,
or what their Communist friends in China do to dissidents and the Falun Gong.

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
let yourself be tortured

have water poured on you
or have fingernails torn out

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
never use torture

even to save millions
allow them all to die

jmsjoin said...

unlike most today I do not took at things from my perspective. I cannot help but see both sides of the picture not just mine or the other sides.
You obviously look at the "IslamoFascists" side of this issue and ignore the fact "like it or not" that we have "IslamoChristianity" on our side. All peace loving people of the world caught in the middle.
People just have to realize that biased rhetoric aside this perverted Religious mess is just beginning and like the Financial collapse of the US was well I'll leave that alone for now because I don't think you're capable of grasping it.
Suffice to say this is all just a small part of the big picture that has already been written and set for the word. If we are lucky enough to have elections and they are fair and I seriously doubt it, the next President will have to react to our mess and the numerous future wars to come.
A few of my sons are in this and i don't like to see them taken advantage of and lied too. T wonder what life holds for them because of Bush because if they survive his wars they will be choked by his future debt and it gets worse from there.