World wide Civil war, the worlds future

Afghanistan more than duplicates Nam as it is Vietnam on steroids in every single respect.

We lied and created the fiasco in Nam as we have in Afghanistan. We created North and South Vietnam not the Vietnamese.

Once again this time in Afghanistan we are propping up another puppet regime. We could have gotten right out of Afghanistan as we succeeded on our originally declared mission long ago.

We seem to have nothing left in America but this corruptive war economy and are keeping the wars going for illicit gains.

I do not like what we see. We are determined to join Afghanistan's graveyard of Nations but we better get the hell out of there because I have said it for years and you can see it now but these wars are barely beginning.

I call it Bush's forever war but in reality it is Cheney, Rummy, and Rove who fostered it for those powers really behind the right.This breakdown is barely beginning and we have dirty hands.

There are no surprises here. Have you ever read "we do not have clean hands in Afghanistan"? "a clean break" ? Remember the divvying up of Africa in the Berlin conference ? everything that is happening right now in North Africa and the Middle East is our fault.

Those people are peeved at us too as we shored up and turned our heads on those destructive dictatorships as long as they did our bidding.

The chicken has come home to roost. 3 of my sons are career military and they know this is barely beginning.

I keep telling them to relax you are an it for the long haul. This is their future and I don't like it but they are reserved towards it.

Civil war keeps being mentioned in regard to Libya. I hate to say it but that seems to cover most countries in the Middle East and many in Africa including Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and every country ever involved with us. What a coincidence that Libya like North Korea were deemed worth working with when in 2008 Bush recovered full diplomatic relations with Gaddafi.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Gaddafi's compound has been hit and another 124 missiles fired, this is growing. soon it will be up to the rebels

Live feed in growing Libya crisis 110 cruise missiles fired from battleships and American and British subs. Libyan spokesman called this a barbaric action against peaceful citizens Are those the ones he armed with AK47's? Am I missing something?

Obama: U.S. military action against Libya has begun

Jet 'shot down' over Benghazi Watch, In pictures: Libyan fighter crashes, Uprising in maps

Gadhafi: UN Resolution on Libya 'Invalid' People are waking up in the middle opf the night as Gaddafi's forces go door to door and massacre them and they are listening to rocket fire.

Rebels say Gaddafi troops enter Benghazi

Tanks from pro-government and opposition sides headed toward each other today in the Libyan city of Benghazi as families -- fearing a massacre -- fled. Earlier, a jet fighter went down over the city. We have to get going! These people are being massacred and desperately need to see allied aircraft over their heads!

Qaddafi Warns West Not to Enforce Libya no fly zone so he can exterminate the citizens: Reports indicated that Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi’s forces were continuing to press their attacks against rebels in the east despite warnings that such moves would provoke military action from the West.

President Obama issued a stern and final warning to Moammar Gadhafi to stop all attacks against civilians. top the warnings already and get this going!

Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's ramshackle Libyan air force appears to be no match for the international forces heading for the region. Despite the braggadocio Gaddafi's army does not appear too ramshackle if we don't hurry up and act!

I finally heard it confirmed that French aircraft are finally over Libya. French President Sarkozy made the confirmation that the planes were over Benghazi and would protect the people against tanks and planes. He called for an immediate withdrawal of Gaddafi's forces. The future belongs to the Arab people not Gaddafy and it is our job to supply a chance at a future to the Libyan people! Gaddafi must go and the Libyan people must chose their own destiny!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

updates: Libya coverage,Obama: U.S. military action against Libya has begun!

Live updates: Libya coverage

Obama: U.S. military action against Libya has begun

ICC prosecutor warns Gaddafi not to attack civilians The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court warned Gaddafi against committing war crimes against civilians. Now he says he wants to give them humanitarian aid. Too late!

Libya called for a cease-fire and a halt to military action on Friday, hours after the UN Security Council authorized the use of force to protect besieged civilians in Libya. Too late, now the world wants Gaddafi and his sons dead or before a war crimes court! Despite a cease fire declared by Gaddafi the scum and his gutter sniping scummy sons are killing as many civilians as they can and the people are screaming for immediate help!

Al Arabiya said several mosques, schools and residential buildings were badly damaged in the attack on the city. Misrata has been under siege by Gaddafi's forces for days. Water supplies have been cut off, there are frequent power cuts and communications are difficult, residents told Reuters earlier this week. They are murdering as many as they can even at the Hospitals before the international community can react!

The Libyan government has announced an immediate ceasefire, less than two hours after Prime Minister David Cameron said British fighter jets (tornadoes) would be deployed to enforce a United Nations no-fly zone.

The United Nations has spoken - and so too has Libya's ruling regime, telling the world it is not afraid of military intervention, which is now certain. Egypt is already helping and Qatar and UAE have also expressed an interest, very good!


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Gaddafi killing as many civilians as he can, the no fly zone is on and Hillary is in Cairo promoting Democracy. The cold world of reality

UN approves no-fly zone over Libya; raids may begin Friday Well,well, well, this changes everything for everyone!

Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's forces shelled the rebel-held city of Misrata Wednesday, killing civilians and creating havoc, an opposition leader told CNN. "He is bombing his way into the city and he doesn't care if all the people in Misrata are dead by the end of the day," Witness: Gadhafi forces pound rebel-held city This is in Misrata!

The BBC's Jon Leyne in Benghazi says that, after heavy bombardment, government soldiers have made their first ground assault on the town. The advance by troops loyal to Libya's leader comes ahead of the UN Security Council discussing a no-fly zone. Ground assault on Libyan rebels This is in Ajdabiya - the last town before rebel headquarters in Benghazi.

Those poor people are on their own! We are ignoring cries from the rebels and others for the US to take the lead and impose a no fly zone now before it is too late. Instead Hillary is in Egypt touring Tahrir Square meeting the people as she and Obama know Gaddafi is going to squash resistance and Egypt is the best shot at having a Democracy. The cold world of reality! Clinton tours Cairo's Tahrir Square, US secretary of state pushes for more democratic reforms and pledges help during two-day visit.

UN approves no-fly zone over Libya; raids may begin Friday Well,well, well, this changes everything for everyone! Now what?


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Rebels vow to fight, retake Brega as efforts stepped up on no fly zone

France stepped up efforts on Monday to persuade world powers to impose a no-fly zone over Libya, as Muammar Gaddafi's troops battled rebel fighters for control of the strategic oil town of Brega.

Rebel forces in Libya say they have retaken the eastern town of Brega, capturing a number of elite government troops and killing many others.

Hague: Libya No-Fly Zone Decision Near

As you may know by now the Arab League called on the UN to impose a Libya no-fly zone and recognized Rebels as Libya's legal Government. This has to be a result of our close ties with Egypt's military but this is very concerning! Reporting from Cairo The Arab League decided Saturday to support a no-fly zone in Libya, paving the way for Western countries to decide whether to move forward with the plan. The decision, announced on Egyptian state television, ends weeks of debate among Arab nations, overcoming widespread resistance to the idea of Western intervention in an Arab state.

Egyptian state television said the Arab League also decided to open channels of communication with a Libyan rebel council based in the eastern city of Benghazi and to formally recognize the council as the representative of the Libyan people. This is big and I am afraid I see a war in another Muslim country but what are we to do? UPDATE 1-Arab League calls on UN to impose Libya no-fly zone

The African Union Peace and Security Council (PSC) on Friday expressed "deep concern" at the events in Libya as observers raised questions on the body's slow and reserved response to the crisis in the North African country. Libya: African Union Rejects 'Foreign Military Intervention'

The African Union says it wants to join efforts to stop the fighting in Libya, but the organization's Peace and Security Council rejects any kind of foreign military intervention. African Union seeks Libya talks

Obama: US is 'tightening the noose on Gadhafi'

The AU (African Union) was rebuked for its conservative statement on Libya as they should have been. Libya is a member and had a representative at the last meeting to see what to do about Libya. After what they have been doing to the people they should have been out immediately. The African Union despite the slaughter said they flatly deny any outside intervention so they better do something if they care about the Libyan citizens as they say they do.

I have been giving this a lot of thought! I remember originally with the ire of the West and their growing threats of forming a no fly zone that the Arab League and the African Union made the announcement that they did not want us to intervene and they were thinking about imposing a no fly zone on Libya themselves.

As this has been progressing and become more of a slaughter of any thought to be against the regime or complicit in the rebels cause disappeared or was mercilessly slaughtered with aircraft, tanks, bombs, and machine guns it became increasingly obvious that the rebels were on their own unless we came to the rescue. Despite the chest thumping and saber rattling we cannot and better not.

We are at war in 2 Muslim countries already. It will be easy for Gaddafi to paint it as another war against Islam and many in Libya and in the Middle East and Africa would join his call to action against us. It has become obvious that with many Muslim countries in Africa and the Middle East facing insurrection they are not going to come to the rescue of the Libyan people as they too are going to take a hard line if they have to. What happened in Egypt will very likely remain an anomaly. If I am wrong they better get going with that no fly zone and we can advise, give them intelligence, and supply them.

We can not militarily come to the rescue of every Nation where some of their population want freedom from the repression and dictatorship we once sanctioned as long as they did our bidding. I listened to one fighter last week hit it right when he said "we started it we will finish it" any outside intervention and we will side with Kaddafi to repel them. What to do? Someone better do something quick!



James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Muslim war #3 coming: Arab League calls on UN to impose Libya no-fly zone and recognizes Rebels as Libya's legal Government

Wow this has to be a result of our close ties with Egypt's military but this is very concerning! Reporting from Cairo The Arab League decided Saturday to support a no-fly zone in Libya, paving the way for Western countries to decide whether to move forward with the plan. The decision, announced on Egyptian state television, ends weeks of debate among Arab nations, overcoming widespread resistance to the idea of Western intervention in an Arab state.

Egyptian state television said the Arab League also decided to open channels of communication with a Libyan rebel council based in the eastern city of Benghazi and to formally recognize the council as the representative of the Libyan people. Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya Wow this is big and I am afraid I see a war in another Muslim country but what are we to do?UPDATE 1-Arab League calls on UN to impose Libya no-fly zone
The African Union Peace and Security Council (PSC) on Friday expressed "deep concern" at the events in Libya as observers raised questions on the body's slow and reserved response to the crisis in the North African country. Libya: African Union Rejects 'Foreign Military Intervention'

The African Union says it wants to join efforts to stop the fighting in Libya, but the organization's Peace and Security Council rejects any kind of foreign military intervention. African Union seeks Libya talks

Libya rebels face Gaddafi onslaught

Intense fighting is reported in the Libyan town of Ras Lanuf between opposition fighters and forces loyal to leader Colonel Gaddafi. Fierce battle for Libya oil town

In Libya, Gaddafi forces recapture strategic western town

Obama: US is 'tightening the noose on Gadhafi'

The AU (African Union) was rebuked for its conservative statement on Libya as they should have been. Libya is a member and had a representative at the last meeting to see what to do about Libya. After what they have been doing to the people they should have been out immediately. The African Union despite the slaughter said they flatly deny any outside intervention so they better do something if they care about the Libyan citizens as they say they do.

I have been giving this a lot of thought! I remember originally with the ire of the West and their growing threats of forming a no fly zone that the Arab League and the African Union made the announcement that they did not want us to intervene and they were thinking about imposing a no fly zone on Libya themselves.

As this has been progressing and become more of a slaughter of any thought to be against the regime or complicit in the rebels cause disappeared or was mercilessly slaughtered with aircraft, tanks, bombs, and machine guns it became increasingly obvious that the rebels were on their own unless we came to the rescue. Despite the chest thumping and saber rattling we cannot and better not.

We are at war in 2 Muslim countries already. It will be easy for Gaddafi to paint it as another war against Islam and many in Libya and in the Middle East and Africa would join his call to action against us. It has become obvious that with many Muslim countries in Africa and the Middle East facing insurrection they are not going to come to the rescue of the Libyan people as they too are going to take a hard line if they have to. What happened in Egypt will very likely remain an anomaly. If I am wrong they better get going with that no fly zone and we can advise, give them intelligence, and supply them.

We can not militarily come to the rescue of every Nation where some of their population want freedom from the repression and dictatorship we once sanctioned as long as they did our bidding. I listened to one fighter last week hit it right when he said "we started it we will finish it" any outside intervention and we will side with Kaddafi to repel them. We can only watch wait and hope for now! WTF?



James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

West splits as Gaddafi slaughters rebels, civilians, and Doctors

The military forces of Moammar Gadhafi on Friday pounded Ras Lanuf, the key oil port once in the hands of rebel forces, and its leadership confidently vowed the retake all territory from the opposition. That is putting it lightly, they slaughtered those people and bragged about it!

In Libya, tide seems to be turning in favor of Qaddafi's forces

West splits as Gaddafi pounds rebels

Germany wants Arab view on recognizing Libya rebels

The African Union despite the slaughter said they flatly deny any outside intervention so they better do something if they care about the Libyan citizens.

In closing: I have been giving this a lot of thought! I remember originally with the ire of the West and their growing threats of forming a no fly zone that the Arab League and the African Union made the announcement that they did not want us to intervene and they were thinking about imposing a no fly zone on Libya themselves.

As this has been progressing and become more of a slaughter of any thought be be against the regime or complicit in the rebels cause disappeared or was mercilessly slaughtered with aircraft, tanks, bombs, and machine guns it became increasingly obvious that the rebels were on their own unless we came to the rescue. Despite the chest thumping and saber rattling we cannot and better not.

We are at war in 2 Muslim countries already. It would be easy for Gaddafi to paint it as another war against Islam and many in Libya and in the Middle East and Africa would join his call to action against us. It has become obvious that with many Muslim countries in Africa and the Middle East facing insurrection they are not going to come to the rescue of the Libyan people as they too are going to take a hard line if they have to. What happened in Egypt will very likely remain an anomaly.

We can not militarily come to the rescue of every Nation where some of their population want freedom from the repression and dictatorship we once sanctioned as long as they did our bidding. I listened to one fighter last week hit it right when he said "we started it we will finish it" any outside intervention and we will side with Kaddafi to repel them. We can only watch wait and hope for now!



James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

First country recognizes rebels as Libya's true government as Gaddafi forces intensify onslaught on Libyan rebels

Qaddafi bombs tanker in first blow to Libya's oil infrastructure, Rebel leader calls for 'immediate action' on no-fly zone

France on Thursday became the first country to formally recognize Libya's opposition National Transitional Council as the legitimate government. Seems to me like we are going to start recognizing the opposition as the legal Government and then find it necessary to come to their aid with a no fly zone.
First country recognizes rebels as Libya's true government as Gadaffi's war planes move deeper into the country What do you think?

A team working for the BBC in Libya said it was arrested, tortured and subjected to a mock execution by security forces of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's regime. BBC crew beaten by regime henchmen

Britain and Germany want EU emergency summit to call for Libyan leader to step down, as pressure grows over no-fly zone UK pushes EU to demand that Gaddafi quit

Qaddafi bombs tanker in first blow to Libya's oil infrastructure

The head of the interim government in eastern Libya pleaded Wednesday for the international community to move quickly to impose a no-fly zone over Libya, declaring that any delay would result in more casualties. "It has to be immediate action" I agree but it would be another war in a Muslim country regardless of how good our intention is. A no fly zone is war then we would have to go after resources on the ground. Rebel leader calls for 'immediate action' on no-fly zone I'd say we are at about the end of that regime but the people's suffering has just begun!

A no fly zone is not as easy as it sounds. All the surface to air missiles will have to be taken out and it is an act of war. It would need regional support in fact it should be done by the Arab League and the African Union who have expressed an interest. Regardless of the war monger outcry from Republicans in the United States we must keep hands off and boots of the ground. Our help should be logistic. If they can't do it, oh well!

No-Fly Zone Over Libya a 'No-Brainer'? Yes it is with Gaddafi using Russian built Hinds helicopter to machine gun and slaughter his so called people there are increasing calls for a no fly zone enforced by NATO or the US by Libyans rebels and war mongers such as McCain and Lieberman but that said a no fly zone can be tutored by NATO and the US but it is a must it must have an Arab and or African union face! Arab League Opposes Foreign Intervention in Libya Arabs may impose Libya no fly zone in cooperation with the African union

Someone in the inner circle must do the country a favor and kill the mad Gaddafi family! We are at a major and serious crossroads and must keep an African Libyan face on this fight and hopeful victory for the people whatever that entails! If Gaddafi is allowed to murder his own people who only want a voice in their future it will send the message around the entire world that all these revolts can be dealt with extreme violence in order to keep the status quo.

Bottom line on this issue, anything being done has got to be done by Libyan's, they must do the heavy lifting and if there is any outside help it must come from the Arab League and the African Union who we can reinforce and advise but that is it. This is the right and only way to go about it! Otherwise I do remember Russia and China saying it could be done and sanctioned if it was done By NATO so we will see!


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Gaddafi threatens armed resistance against no-fly zone by a united Libya

Live feed of Libya revolt

Libya conflict in maps Wow!

Gaddafi threatens armed resistance against no-fly zone

Gaddafi and the Unbearable Lightness of Crisis

Misrata eyewitness: 'Waiting for the onslaught' The people are desperate for an imposed no fly zone because Gaddafi is slaughtering them from the air but he is spinning an imposed no fly zone as a sign that if we impose it, it is a sign that we are after their petrol. A no fly zone must be imposed by the Arab League and the African Union jointly.

The six U.S.-allied Gulf Arab nations have condemned killings by pro-government forces in Libya as "massacres." Oil-rich Gulf state condemn Libya killings They say the protection of the Libyan citizens is of the utmost importance and if it is they better get going with that no fly zone.

Three of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's private planes have taken off from a military airstrip near Tripoli. One of them has landed in the Egyptian capital, Cairo, carrying on board Abdelrahman al-Zawi, the Libyan deputy defense minister, who is also an army general in charge of logistics and supplies. There were reports that he was to meet with Amr Moussa, head of the Arab league. Gaddafi envoy lands in Cairo I think this is a good thing with our close ties with Egypt's military, with no ties with Libya Egypt can be the go between.

A no fly zone is not as easy as it sounds. All the surface to air missiles will have to be taken out and it is an act of war. It would need regional support in fact it should be done by the Arab League and the African Union who have expressed an interest. Regardless of the war monger outcry from Republicans in the United States we must keep hands off and boots of the ground. Our help should be logistic. If they can't do it, oh well!

No-Fly Zone Over Libya a 'No-Brainer'? Yes it is with Gaddafi using Russian built Hinds helicopter to machine gun and slaughter his so called people there are increasing calls for a no fly zone enforced by NATO or the US by Libyans rebels and war mongers such as McCain and Lieberman but that said a no fly zone can be tutored by NATO and the US but it is a must it must have an Arab and or African union face! Arab League Opposes Foreign Intervention in Libya Arabs may impose Libya no fly zone in cooperation with the African union


Someone in the inner circle must do the country a favor and kill the mad Gaddafi family!

In closing Russia and China came out against the Middle east and north African revolts because they have there own problems with them and we know how violently they deal with the problem. We are at a major and serious crossroads and must keep an African Libyan face on this fight and hopeful victory for the people whatever that entails! If Gaddafi is allowed to murder his own people who only want a voice in their future it will send the message around the entire world that all these revolts can be dealt with extreme violence in order to keep the status quo.

Bottom line on this issue, anything being done has got to be done by Libyan's, they must do the heavy lifting and if there is any outside help it must come from the Arab League and the African Union who we can reinforce and advise but that is it. This is the right and only way to go about it!


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Gaddafi has hinted that he is ready to quit Libya but wants immunity, rebels say good he must leave quickly

NATO mulls Libyan military action: Obama



Col Muammar Gaddafi has hinted that he is ready to quit Libya after 41 years in power, only if rebel interim council gives him a pile of cash and assures him immunity from criminal prosecution, a media report said. The dictator is said to have proposed a meeting of the Libyan Parliament to agree a transition period to pave the way for him to step down. His terms include immunity from criminal prosecution and a pile of cash

"If he leaves Libya immediately, during 72 hours, and stops the bombardment, we as Libyans will step back from pursuing him for crimes," Mustafa Abdel Jalil, an ex-justice minister, told Al-Jazeera Television by telephone about 8:30 a.m. ET.

I understand it is all called propaganda but I don't know, it was thrown out there but Gaddafi right now is maintaining his original stance that he will kill everyone any way he can and he is. I saw another interview last night and he was more bellicose and belligerent than ever, Here

Addressing a group of people from the town of Zentan, Gadhafi blamed outside elements from Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt and the Palestinian territories for the rebellion.  The remarks were broadcast on state television Wednesday. He is right in the respect that he is paying those people thousands to kill Libyans. I saw rebel fighters interviewed later who said if we try to impose a no fly zone they will join Gaddafi to repel us. They acknowledge they need one but it must be Lybyan League and African Union.


Gaddafi's jets slow rebel advance on Sirte Gaddafi's hometown

Rebels hold positions in face of airstrikes

Qaddafi's Airstrikes Spur NATO Discussions of Libya No-Fly Zone

Obama raises pressure on Gaddafi as no-fly zone gains support
Obama Says Military Option Still Under Consideration for Libya

NATO Increases Airborne Surveillance of Libya, Envoy Says

Maybe he's finally feeling the pressure, now it is up to the rebel forces to relieve their pain! Both sides are voicing skepticism saying they know nothing about a deal for Kaddafi to step down. There is a lot of talk and no action. Bottom line the rebels are outgunned and it behooves them to make some kind of deal with Kaddafi. Give him immunity, give him some money, if it will stop the murders it is well worth it for the chance to start over.


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

No-Fly Zone Over Libya a 'No-Brainer'?

Live feed: Libya revolt

Kadafi forces backed by warplanes push rebels back

Qaddafi Forces Begin New Air Attack in East and the Gaddafi forces are using snipers on civilians and bombing and strafing everyone they see with aircraft still masters of the sky. What is scary is they are killing indiscriminately any way they can and Gaddafi says he has done nothing yet. Remember that mustard gas and other WMD!

Pressure mounts for no-fly zone in Libya

Libya no-fly zone needs regional support: Britain A no fly zone is not as easy as it sounds. All the surface to air missiles will have to be taken out and it is an act of war. It would need regional support in fact it should be done by the Arab League and the African Union who have expressed an interest. Regardless of the war monger outcry from Republicans in the United States we must keep hands off and boots of the ground. Our help should be logistic. If they can't do it, oh well! No-Fly Zone Over Libya Urged by McCain, Kerry as Gates, Mullen Have Doubts

No-Fly Zone Proponents Think It's a Video Game

Western intervention in Libya would damage Arab cause

No-Fly Zone Over Libya a 'No-Brainer'? Yes it is with Gaddafi using Russian built Hinds helicopter to machine gun and slaughter his so called people there are increasing calls for a no fly zone enforced by NATO or the US by Libyans rebels and war mongers such as McCain and Lieberman but that said a no fly zone can be tutored by NATO and the US but it is a must it must have an Arab and or African union face!

Arab League Opposes Foreign Intervention in Libya Arabs may impose Libya no fly zone in cooperation with the African union

Bottom line Libya's fate depends on loyalty of Gadhafi forces

Someone in the inner circle must do the country a favor and kill the mad Gaddafi family!

In closing Russia and China came out against the Middle east and north African revolts because they have there own problems with them and we know how violently they deal with the problem. We are at a major and serious crossroads and must keep an African Libyan face on this fight and hopeful victory for the people whatever that entails! If Gaddafi is allowed to murder his own people who only want a voice in their future it will send the message around the entire world that all these revolts can be dealt with extreme violence in order to keep the status quo.

Bottom line on this issue, anything being done has got to be done by Libyan's, they must do the heavy lifting and if there is any outside help it must come from the Arab League and the African Union who we can reinforce and advise but that is it. This is the right way to go about it!


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Libyan civil war

Raw Video: Gadhafi Supporters Pour Into Streets fooled by Gadafhi's lies, read eyewitness reports Below       Live: Libya revolt

Four Libyan towns which forces loyal to Colonel Gaddafi claimed to have retaken remain under rebel control, eye witnesses say. Read eyewitness reports and decide for yourself! Some of those celebrating were on their cell phones or something talking to CNN and holding the  phone so we could hear the celebrating.

Kaddafi forces backed by warplanes push rebels back, ground forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Kaddafi, backed up by warplanes, pushed rebels away from the coastal town of Bin Jawwad on Sunday to stop their advance on Kadafi's hometown of Sirte.We saw that one plane was downed and hear the lies Gaddafi is telling his supporters but we and the rebels can not be swayed by the lies!

Libyan helicopter gunships have fired on rebels advancing along the coast towards the capital Tripoli.

LIBYA'S warring armies are set for their worst confrontation as anti-government forces prepare to push towards the capital, Tripoli.

Held By Rebels'Eight SAS soldiers have been detained by rebels in Libya, according to Sky News sources.

Defense secretary Liam Fox has confirmed that a British diplomatic team is in Libya talking to rebel forces. The eight have since been released and you have to wonder what else the defense secretary learned and said.


Analysis: Libya threat to Arab revolts If Gaddafi brutally snuffs out the rebels that will embolden all middle east and North African nations to do the same. With their own insurrection problems China and Russia would actually like that!

No-Fly Zone Over Libya a 'No-Brainer'? Yes it is with Gaddafi using Russian built Hinds helicopter to machine gun and slaughter his so called people there are increasing calls for a no fly zone enforced by NATO or the US by Libyans rebels and war mongers such as McCain and Lieberman but that said a no fly zone can be tutored by NATO and the US but it is a must it must have an Arab and or African union face!

Arab League Opposes Foreign Intervention in Libya Arabs but may impose Libya no fly zone in cooperation with the African union.Bottom line Libya's fate depends on loyalty of Gadhafi forces. I have to believe we are clandestinely working behind the scenes to turn those we can against Gaddafi. Those commanded by his son and the Tuareg's you have to believe will fight to the death and the rebels know they must succeed at all costs now.

Libya launches towards full blown civil war but thanks to the Gaddafi's I believe it is there and not just the gaddafi's but many of the destitute tribes and Tuareg nomads are pleased and now have a way to make big time money to slaughter Libyan's for Gaddafi.

I believe this is a civil war already but it definitely will be civil war unless someone kills the mad Gaddafi family! Not only that but the opposition should be making it a priority to take the military bases first and hopefully take all WMD away from anyone that may use them on them. That mustard gas as you know is a big concern of mine but those poor people have no idea what Gaddafi has and will use on them. I am more concerned than ever about Saif's threat 2 weeks ago that 200,000 could be killed.

In closing Russia and China came out against the Middle east and north African revolts because they have there own problems with them and we know how violently they deal with the problem. We are at a major and serious crossroads and must keep an African Libyan face on this fight and hopeful victory for the people whatever that entails! If Gaddafi is allowed to murder his own people who only want a voice in their future it will send the message around the entire world that all these revolts can be dealt with extreme violence in order to keep the status quo.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Analysis: Libya threat to Arab revolts

Live feed: Libya revolt

Analysis: Libya threat to Arab revolts If Gaddafi brutally snuffs out the rebels that will embolden all middle east and North African nations to do the same. With their own insurrection problems China and Russia would actually like that!

Lingering dread

multiple videos of Libya: Fierce Fighting In East And West

Rebels Beat Back Gadhafi Forces

Gaddafi's forces step up attack

No-Fly Zone Over Libya a 'No-Brainer'? Yes it is with Gaddafi using Russian built Hinds helicopter to machine gun and slaughter his so called people there are increasing calls for a no fly zone enforced by NATO or the US by Libyans rebels and war mongers such as McCain and Lieberman but that said a no fly zone can be tutored by NATO and the US but it is a must it must have an Arab and or African union face!

Arab League Opposes Foreign Intervention in Libya Arabs may impose Libya no fly zone in cooperation with the African union

Bottom line Libya's fate depends on loyalty of Gadhafi forces

Moammar Gadhafi loyalists swept into the opposition-held city closest to Tripoli on Saturday, tightening security around the regime-held capital. To the east, rebel forces captured a key oil port as the country veered toward civil war. It will be civil war unless someone kills the mad Gaddafi family!

In closing Russia and China came out against the Middle east and north African revolts because they have there own problems with them and we know how violently they deal with the problem. We are at a major and serious crossroads and must keep an African Libyan face on this fight and hopeful victory for the people whatever that entails! If Gaddafi is allowed to murder his own people who only want a voice in their future it will send the message around the entire world that all these revolts can be dealt with extreme violence in order to keep the status quo.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

A warning to would-be interventionists in Libya

Live feed as battles rage and spread

Take the fight to Qaddafi? In eastern Libya, not yet.
A warning to would-be interventionists in Libya

American Military Strategy in Libya

Fresh protests hit Libyan capital after Friday prayers and are confronted by Gaddafi supporters

Anything being done has got to be done by Libyan's, they must do the heavy lifting and if there is any outside help it must come from the Arab League and the African Union who we can reinforce and advise but that is it. This is the right way to go about it!

Libya's tribes rise up against Gadhafi as soon after the Libyan rebellion escalated, a senior member of the nation's powerful Warfallah tribe announced it would no longer support Moammar Gadhafi, saying that "he is no longer a brother."

nomadic Tuareg mercenaries from Mali, Niger, and Algeria join Gaddafi lured by huge salaries

At least 30 civilians killed after Gaddafi loyalists try to retake rebel-held town of Az Zawiyah, witnesses say. At least 30 civilians have been killed after security forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi, Libyan leader, attempted to retake the rebel-held territory They are not Gaddafi loyalists they are mercenary killers given $10,000 and $1,000 a day to kill Libyans. Both sides claim victory but it looks like the rebels took the oil port and despite the Barbary shown by Gaddafi, his sons, and their Tuareg mercenaries, rebels say they can win if someone air drop them much needed food and weapons.

Arab League Opposes Foreign Intervention in Libya Arabs may impose Libya no fly zone in cooperation with the African union. Well, then get going!

Of course Russia and China are against a no fly zone but if it is imposed by Arab and African countries that would satisfy the third principle, that China would “heed and respect the opinions and positions of Arab countries and African countries, You can forget about the first 2 principles as Gaddafi will not use diplomacy or peaceful means. Instead he promises rivers of blood. China Signals Potential Opposition to No-Fly Zone Over Libya

US officials "are taking prudent steps to prepare for potential humanitarian contingencies," Rice told NBC television's "Today Show" program. with an estimated 200,000 refugees already overwhelming the Tunisian border humanitarian needs are right now and I would hope the assets we have sent would get to work taking care of them immediately and keep boots off the ground or it will back fire on us.

I am suspect about what role an amphibious assault ship would play in that. We must get medical supplies, food, and necessities to refugees and revolutionaries immediately and keep our military out of it or this will be turned on us. Do that then sit and watch what the revolutionaries do and keep an eye on the Gaddafi's. I just do not see any type of military action working in our favor. Help the people as they need, Communicate with them but leave the rest up to the Arab League and African Union and wait watch and listen!





James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

A winning combination: Arabs may impose Libya no fly zone in cooperation with the African union, US supports war crime tribunal first time

US supports war crime tribunal first time, court to name Libyan suspects

Rebels regained control of the oil fields after being bombarded by Gaddafi jets. It is time to impose that no fly zone but it would require an attack on Libya to soften up the significant air defenses so it should be posed to the rebels and the parameters and go ahead has to come from them and the beleaguered citizens of Libya. Qaddafi Forces Battle Rebels for Control of Libya's Oil

EU imposes arms embargo, targeted sanctions on Libya

EU Ups Funding for Libyan Refugee Crisis

A mass airlift of Egyptian refugees from the Libyan-Tunisian border to Cairo involving British, French and Tunisian planes has begun as the international community moved to prevent a humanitarian disaster. Libya: Britain sends planes to help with mass airlift of refugees

Libya's aerial onslaught steps up pressure for no-fly zone

Arab League Opposes Foreign Intervention in Libya Arabs may impose Libya no fly zone in cooperation with the African union

Of course Russia and China are against a no fly zone but if it is imposed by Arab and African countries that would satisfy the third principle, that China would “heed and respect the opinions and positions of Arab countries and African countries, You can forget about the first 2 principles as Gaddafi will not use diplomacy or peaceful means. Instead he promises rivers of blood. China Signals Potential Opposition to No-Fly Zone Over Libya

US officials "are taking prudent steps to prepare for potential humanitarian contingencies," Rice told NBC television's "Today Show" program. with an estimated 200,000 refugees already overwhelming the Tunisian border humanitarian needs are right now and I would hope the assets we have sent would get to work taking care of them immediately and keep boots off the ground or it will back fire on us.

I am suspect about what role an amphibious assault ship would play in that. We must get medical supplies, food, and necessities to refugees and revolutionaries immediately and keep our military out of it or this will be turned on us. Do that then sit and watch what the revolutionaries do and keep an eye on the Gaddafi's. I just do not see any type of military action working in our favor. Help the people as they need, Communicate with them but leave the rest up to the Arab League and African Union and wait watch and listen!





James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

live feed: Libya revolt as Gadhafi blames former Gitmo prisoners for the unrest Vows Fight to 'Last Man despite the people's growing hell

Live feed: Libya revolt

Turkey offers to attack Libya in exchange for EU membership, Whoa! Gaddafi: Forces responding 'like Israel in Gaza

After facing Gaddafi's extensive air force's unsuccessfully REBEL leaders in eastern Libya have called for international military intervention to help topple Muammar Gaddafi, fearing people power alone may not be enough to dislodge their nation's autocratic leader from his last remaining strongholds.The rebels said they didn't want ground forces and we better not use them, but they are coming round to the view that help in the form of a flight exclusion zone, as well as air strikes and supplies of weapons, will be necessary to ensure Colonel Gaddafi's fall. Libyan rebels call for foreign military help

Qaddafi Vows Fight to 'Last Man' as Rebel Town Is Hit We really have to enforce a unilateral no fly zone somehow or those people are in trouble and we will be worse off than before this started. You have to believe that is what China and Russia are hoping for and why they remain silent except for insisting there be no military intervention!

David Cameron defends no-fly zone plan for Libya We were behind the idea at first and I really believe it is necessary in order for the overwhelmed revolutionaries to succeed but including the US many nations for now have cooled to the idea!

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates on Tuesday played down the possibility of American military intervention in Libya, saying that there was no agreement within NATO about the use of force and that now was not the time for the United States to be entering into another war in the Middle East. We can all agree with that and we have to hope the ships we sent dock off Tunisia and get bust offloading supplies and giving food supplies and humanitarian aid. Gates Plays Down Idea of U.S. Force in Libya

Gadhafi blames former Gitmo prisoners for the unrest

Forces loyal to Col Gaddafi are still in control of Tripoli

Gadhafi Refuses to Step Down, Launches Offensive in East

 

Along with swamped NGO's Britain, France and the group of 57 Islamic nations each launched refugee operations Wednesday as U.N. experts warned of an urgent need to prevent racially charged violent clashes among a crush of people fleeing Libya to Tunisia and Egypt. Nations flock to help refugees from Libya go home

we are moving in military assets needed to enforce a no fly zone which means a military action to at least take out Libya's air defenses which are said to be substantial.

I really wish that would not be necessary but Gaddafi and saif are going to push this as far as they can. The Libyan's want to do this and as painful as it may be, we had better let them and just supply them as we can and be there for them. Defense officials said a warship, the USS Kearsarge, with hundreds of Marines on board was headed towards Libya on Tuesdaybut I hoe they dock in Tunisia. The amphibious assault ship accompanied by two other naval vessels, was expected to pass through the Suez Canal soon from the Red Sea, two officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told AFP.

US officials "are taking prudent steps to prepare for potential humanitarian contingencies," Rice told NBC television's "Today Show" program. with an estimated 200,000 refugees already overwhelming the Tunisian border humanitarian needs are right now and I would hope the assets we have sent would get to work taking care of them immediately and keep boots off the ground or it will back fire on us.

I am suspect about what role an amphibious assault ship would play in that. We must get medical supplies, food, and necessities to refugees and revolutionaries immediately and keep our military out of it or this will be turned on us. Do that then sit and watch what the revolutionaries do and keep an eye on the Gaddafi's. I just do not see any type of military action working in our favor. Help the people as they need it and wait watch and listen!





James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Libya, Muammar Gaddafi, Saif al-Islam Kadhafi

Live Feed of Libya revolt as West edges closer to Libya military action

Live Feed of Libya revolt
US says Libya at crossroads of democracy, civil war

Pro-Gadhafi forces said to block food to Zawiya

Nearly 150000 flee Libya; UN reports crisis along borders

US says will keep squeezing Gaddafi until he quits

West edges closer to Libya military action

Hillary warned that Libya is at the crossroads of democracy and civil war as we all know but it is chaos I would expect. We also know the United States will continue to press Moamer Kadhafi to step down by squeezing him economically and militarily and he will not. So we are moving in military assets needed to enforce a no fly zone which means a military action to at least take out Libya's air defenses which are said to be substantial.

I really wish that would not be necessary but Gaddafi and saif are going to push this as far as they can. The Libyan's want to do this and as painful as it may be, we had better let them and just supply them as we can and be there for them. Defense officials said a warship, the USS Kearsarge, with hundreds of Marines on board was headed towards Libya on Tuesday. The amphibious assault ship accompanied by two other naval vessels, was expected to pass through the Suez Canal soon from the Red Sea, two officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told AFP.

US officials "are taking prudent steps to prepare for potential humanitarian contingencies," Rice told NBC television's "Today Show" program. with an estimated 200,000 refugees already overwhelming the Tunisian border humanitarian needs are right now and I would hope the assets we have sent would get to work taking care of them immediately and keep boots off the ground or it will back fire on us.

I am suspect about what role an amphibious assault ship would play in that. We must get medical supplies, food, and necessities to refugees and revolutionaries immediately and keep our military out of it or this will be turned on us. Do that then sit and watch what the revolutionaries do and keep an eye on the Gaddafi's. I just do not see any type of military action working in our favor. Help the people as they need it and wait watch and listen!





James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com