Musharraf indicted in Bhutto killing: Finally Justice

 Musharraf indicted in Bhutto killing: Bhutto, Pakistan's first female prime minister, was assassinated in a gun-suicide attack in December 2007, shortly after she came back to Pakistan from self-imposed exile to take part in the 2008 general elections. Musharraf was president at the time.

Musharraf's government blamed former Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud for the assassination, saying he had paid a network of Islamist militants to carry out the killing. But Musharraf and his security forces were previously accused of failing to do enough to protect Bhutto, a political rival. The former military ruler has denied having anything to do with Bhutto's killing.

First some history! The U.S. complicity is well documented but as usual, denied! They (the CIA)  can't really think they have any credibility?The 911 movie, press for truth has got to be the very best movie exposing the 9/11 cover up. Bush, Rice, Cheney, the FBI, CIA, everyone of them said over and over that there was no forewarning that terrorists were going to strike and that planes could be used as missiles to bring down buildings. They all lied about Pakistan's involvement. Why should we believe the CIA? Especially in light of what they are continuing to do against us.

The movie documents factually that we heard in 1995 that planes may be used but never concerned ourselves about it. We received multiple warnings prior to 9/11 that terrorists were around, planes would be used, and the towers were coming down. Surprising to me was that prior to 9/11 one of the hijackers backed out and turned himself in, telling authorities what was going to happen. He was given 2 lie detector tests that he passed with ease. I don't recall who in the Administration said it. But they were told to let him go and send him back to London.

9/11 was allowed to happen for a reason! Once it did occur we attacked Afghanistan of course. As you remember, Bin laden and many of the leadership were trapped in Tora Bora. In the past I have said Bin Laden was allowed to escape so bush could use him to keep fervor up and Afghani's were credited with being responsible for his escape. We knew there were four ways out and only guarded three. We gave them a way out. The CIA and others knew this and let him escape to Pakistan, how are we supposed to believe them?

Not only that but I vaguely remember hearing about a 1,000 car caravan but it was never mentioned that we were bombing the area around it but allowed the 1,000 car caravan carrying the Bin Laden entourage to escape into Pakistan and at night, come on. Now this part really irks me and I for one never heard anything about it and still don't. As far as I am concerned Pakistan is no friend of America's and will partner with India and turn on us when the time comes. We also heard over and over how Bush would track down any Al Qaeda finances and try anyone involved. He made a big deal out of the fact that someone outed the fact that we were checking out electronic transfers etc. Something he himself announced.

Then I watched the movie and find out that the head of the Pakistani ISI transferred $100,000 to Muhammad Atta just prior to the 9/11 attacks. This gets worse. Primarily because not only do we have records of this financing as well as pictures but we ignored it and supposedly are in cahoots with them. What happened to anyone caught aiding, abetting, or financing terrorism being hunted down? To make it worse, the joke of a sideshow they called the 9/11 commission hearings was an obvious farce. Again I ask, how are we suppose to trust the FBI,CIA, and especially Bush's Government which took total control of us through lies and secret laws?

We knew Rice and others were lying and Bush and Cheney were allowed to hold hands and lie together (take that any way you want). I think I vaguely remember hearing this but like everything else it was dismissed as insignificant. Anyway, the guy who ran Bush's election campaign if I remember correctly, is the one running the commission hearings. He was the one who decided what was significant and what wasn't as well as what questions could be asked. What the hell is that. This entire thing was stacked against the truth and the facts getting out. It is our duty as Americans to hold these liars accountable. We owe it to the victims. We owe it to our children. We owe it to our history and we owe it to ourselves and this underhanded crap just continues! How? Why?

To reiterate, 9/11 was allowed to happen. As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do. 9/11 gave him that something.He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new societal, middle east, and world order. That is why it was important to him to whip up a media and public fury which of course, he has done. Bush and the CIA have been complicit with Pakistan from the beginning. They can't seriously think we or the Pakistani's believe them when they come to Musharraf’s aid again?

As you know, I am convinced that the ISI and musharraf sympathizers murdered Benazir Bhutto.  For some reason the CIA thinks they have credibility. They were and are complicit and as dirty as Bush and Musharraf. they stupidly think they can make Musharraf’s lies believable, wrong!

Anyway what a surprise, the complicit CIA agrees with Musharraf’s lies. The CIA believes extremists associated with a Pakistani tribal leader are responsible for the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, according to a U.S. intelligence official.

 The official, who spoke under condition of anonymity, said the agency concluded that Baitullah Mehsud -- the leader of the Pakistani Taliban who has ties to al Qaeda -- was behind the attack. The Pakistani government was quick to blame Mehsud's organization for Bhutto's death in December 2007, producing an intercepted audio communication in which Mehsud confirmed his men were responsible for the attack.

 The U.S. intelligence community was first cautious about drawing the same conclusion as the Pakistanis. But after reviewing various other intelligence, the CIA agreed Mehsud played a role in Bhutto's killing, the U.S. official said.

* The CIA viewpoint was first made known in a Washington Post interview with then CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden. "This was done by that network around Baitullah Mehsud. We have no reason to question that," Hayden told the newspaper. Mehsud operated out of the tribal areas of northwestern Pakistan.

Pakistani officials have blamed Mehsud's forces for a number of attacks directed against the government, U.S. officials and terrorism experts are increasingly worried about the stability of Pakistan. The Pakistani Taliban and al Qaeda have drawn closer ideologically over the past couple of years and see themselves at war with the Pakistani state, CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen said at a conference at a Washington think tank .

He pointed to the growing number of attacks against Pakistani government officials and the ISI, the country's intelligence service. CIA agreed with Musharraf
 

** what a surprise. There is no doubt that many Pakistani's in general want to kill Musharraf and his complicit ISI. That I am sure is true but I do not believe Al Qaeda killed Benazir Bhutto. Musharraf had her killed and we knew it from the get go. It has been 6 years but lets see if justice is finally served at least in one instance.

James Joiner

Gardner Ma

http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com/

A little history on our "friend" Pervez Musharraf" and our "ally" Pakistan!

Most do not know or forget Pakistan's long History of assassinations, internal strife, and deceitful government Hmm sounds sounds like us doesn't it! Anyway I saw the Wolf Blitzer interview of Musharraf on CNN! Discussed was the fact that Musharraf said last year that the President may change but the policies will remain the same! We all knew around the world they would but under Obama there would be Diplomacy and there is!

Things are changing quickly here and because of Obama's Diplomacy of peace tempered with the fact that we must have peace but we will never back down or be defeated! That in itself is a major change and has already bared fruit between Israel and Hamas who have now found common ground, Iraq who now says we can leave by May of next year though I still expect them to turn on each other once we leave, and the entire world saying they will work with him. That is tempered with the knowledge that Iran feels empowered by Hamas using the tunnels and powering back up to fight, Russia now pushing Obama around the world and specifically in South America, and China tightening its economic policies pushing Obama to see how far they can go and what he is going to do! Right now I want to talk about our "main ally" in this just beginning so called war on terror. The history is long, convoluted, and just another part of the lie we are living today! Musharraf emphasized Pakistan is being treated unfairly in this so called war on terror receiving only $10 Billion while Afghanistan has received $tens of Billions, and the war in Iraq up to $1 trillion. I have to agree with him but Pakistan is not the tried and true friend for 48 years that Musharraf wants us to think. musharraf on Pakistan being mistreated

A reminder of their deceit and complicity with the so called war on terror and the CIA! The CIA was complicit with Pakistan's ISI and let 9/11 occur do they really think we the believed Pakistan's Lies of Al Qaeda killing Benazir? I want to discuss the complicit CIA going to bat for Musharraf and Pakistan's ISI once again!

First some history! The complicity is well documented but as usual, denied! They can't really think they have any credibility?

The 911 movie, press for truth has got to be the very best movie exposing the 9/11 cover up. Bush, Rice, Cheney, the FBI, CIA, everyone of them said over and over that there was no forewarning that terrorists were going to strike and that planes could be used as missiles to bring down buildings. They all lied about Pakistan's involvement. Why should we believe the CIA? Especially in light of what they are continually did against us. The movie documents factually that we heard in 1995 that planes may be used but never concerned ourselves about it. We received multiple warnings prior to 9/11 that terrorists were around, planes would be used, and the towers were coming down. Surprising to me was that prior to 9/11 one of the hijackers backed out and turned himself in, telling authorities what was going to happen. He was given 2 lie detector tests that he passed with ease. I don't recall who in the Administration said it. But they were told to let him go and send him back to London.

9/11 was allowed to happen for a reason! Once it did occur we attacked Afghanistan of course. As you remember, Bin laden and many of the leadership were trapped in Tora Bora. In the past I have said Bin Laden was allowed to escape so bush could use him to keep fervor up and Afghani's were credited with being responsible for his escape. We knew there were four ways out and only guarded three. We gave them a way out. The CIA and others knew this and let him escape to Pakistan, how are we supposed to believe them? Not only that but I vaguely remember hearing about a 1,000 car caravan but it was never mentioned that we were bombing the area around it but allowed the 1,000 car caravan carrying the Bin Laden entourage to escape into Pakistan and at night, come on. Most do not know it was us that designed Tora Bora for the Mujahedeen as a safe house against Russia. We know all the secrets and in's and outs!Now this part really irks me and I for one never heard anything about it and still don't. As far as I am concerned Pakistan is no friend of America's and will partner with India and turn on us when the time comes. We also heard over and over how Bush would track down any Al Qaeda finances and try anyone involved. He made a big deal out of the fact that someone outed the fact that we were checking out electronic transfers etc. Something he himself announced.

Then I watched the movie and find out that the head of the Pakistani ISI transferred $100,000 to Muhammad Atta just prior to the 9/11 attacks. This gets worse. Primarily because not only do we have records of this financing as well as pictures but we ignored it and supposedly are in cahoots with them. What happened to anyone caught aiding, abetting, or financing terrorism being hunted down? To make it worse, the joke of a sideshow they called the 9/11 commission hearings was an obvious farce. Again I ask, how are we suppose to trust the FBI,CIA, and especially Bush's Government which had taken total control of us through lies and secret laws?

We knew Rice and others were lying and Bush and Cheney were allowed to hold hands and lie together (take that any way you want). I think I vaguely remember hearing this but like everything else it was dismissed as insignificant. Anyway, the guy who ran Bush's election campaign if I remember correctly, was the one running the commission hearings. He was the one who decided what was significant and what wasn't as well as what questions could be asked. What the hell is that? This entire thing was stacked against the truth and the facts getting out. It was our duty as Americans to hold these liars accountable and we did not. We owed it to the victims. We owed it to our children. We owe it to our history and we owe it to ourselves and this underhanded crap just continues! I like to think not under Obama but he is going to play the game too!

To reiterate, 9/11 was allowed to happen. As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do. 9/11 gave him that something.He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new societal, middle east, and world order. That is why it was important to him to whip up a media and public fury which of course, he has done. Bush and the CIA have been complicit with Pakistan from the beginning. They can't seriously think we or the Pakistani's believed them when they come to Musharraf's aid again?

As you know, I am convinced that the ISI and musharraf sympathizers murdered Benazir Bhutto. Amidst increasing violence that will not be quelled Pakistani forts are falling in the tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan. This is just the beginning and this breakdown too will not be averted then Obama will get us in deeper and over the lie called Al Qaeda. For some reason the CIA thinks they have credibility. They are complicit and as dirty as Bush was and Musharraf is.

The Pakistani Taliban and Al Qaeda have drawn closer ideologically over the past couple of years and see themselves at war with the Pakistani state, CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen said at a conference at a Washington think tank. He pointed to the growing number of attacks against Pakistani government officials and the ISI, the country's intelligence service. Please read!

* Pakistan is not our ally in this so called war on terror, the so called terrorists, Islamists, so called Al-Qaida, and the Taliban if they have not already meld as one and continue pouring into the frontiers in Pakistan to cross the border and get into Afghanistan to further this fight. They have never been defeated and will not now by Obama or anyone else though I hope I am wrong. Bin Laden may even be dead but he will continually be used to drag us in further and unify Islam against us! This is still just beginning!


James Joiner
Gardner Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

The CIA was complicit with Pakistan's ISI and let 9/11 occur do they really think we the Pakistani's believe their Lies of Al Qaeda killing Benazir?

I wanted to discuss Bush's new farce of Tax cuts. Under his proposal they will help the rich and businesses who do not need them and the poor who need them will get enough to heat their house for a month. I will guarantee you the chief idiot will get his way so Democrats do not look like they do not want to help the country. Knowing the underhanded beehive will get his way again I figured I would welcome any discussion on that subject but wanted to discuss the complicit CIA going to bat for Musharraf and Pakistan's ISI once again!

First some history! The complicity is well documented but as usual, denied! They can't really think they have any credibility?The 911 movie, press for truth has got to be the very best movie exposing the 9/11 cover up. Bush, Rice, Cheney, the FBI, CIA, everyone of them said over and over that there was no forewarning that terrorists were going to strike and that planes could be used as missiles to bring down buildings. They all lied about Pakistan's involvement. Why should we believe the CIA now? Especially in light of what they are continuing to do against us and for Bush. The movie documents factually that we heard in 1995 that planes may be used but never concerned ourselves about it. We received multiple warnings prior to 9/11 that terrorists were around, planes would be used, and the towers were coming down. Surprising to me was that prior to 9/11 one of the hijackers backed out and turned himself in, telling authorities what was going to happen. He was given 2 lie detector tests that he passed with ease. I don't recall who in the Administration said it. But they were told to let him go and send him back to London.

9/11 was allowed to happen for a reason! Once it did occur we attacked Afghanistan of course. As you remember, Bin laden and many of the leadership were trapped in Tora Bora. In the past I have said Bin Laden was allowed to escape so bush could use him to keep fervor up and Afghani's were credited with being responsible for his escape. We knew there were four ways out and only guarded three. We gave them a way out. The CIA and others knew this and let him escape to Pakistan, how are we supposed to believe them? Not only that but I vaguely remember hearing about a 1,000 car caravan but it was never mentioned that we were bombing the area around it but allowed the 1,000 car caravan carrying the Bin Laden entourage to escape into Pakistan and at night, come on. Now this part really irks me and I for one never heard anything about it and still don't. As far as I am concerned Pakistan is no friend of America's and will partner with India and turn on us when the time comes. We also heard over and over how Bush would track down any Al Qaeda finances and try anyone involved. He made a big deal out of the fact that someone outed the fact that we were checking out electronic transfers etc. Something he himself announced.

When I watched the movie and find out that the head of the Pakistani ISI transferred $100,000 to Muhammad Atta just prior to the 9/11 attacks. This gets worse. Primarily because not only do we have records of this financing as well as pictures but we ignored it and supposedly are in cahoots with them. What happened to anyone caught aiding, abetting, or financing terrorism being hunted down? To make it worse, the joke of a sideshow they called the 9/11 commission hearings was an obvious farce. Again I ask, how are we suppose to trust the FBI,CIA, and especially Bush's Government which is taking total control of us through lies and secret laws?

We knew Rice and others were lying and Bush and Cheney were allowed to hold hands and lie together (take that any way you want). I think I vaguely remember hearing this but like everything else it was dismissed as insignificant. Anyway, the guy who ran Bush's election campaign if I remember correctly, is the one running the commission hearings. He was the one who decided what was significant and what wasn't as well as what questions could be asked. What the hell is that. This entire thing was stacked against the truth and the facts getting out. It is our duty as Americans to hold these liars accountable. We owe it to the victims. We owe it to our children. We owe it to our history and we owe it to ourselves and this underhanded crap just continues! How? Why?

To reiterate, 9/11 was allowed to happen. As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do. 9/11 gave him that something.He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new societal, middle east, and world order. That is why it was important to him to whip up a media and public fury which of course, he has done. Bush and the CIA have been complicit with Pakistan from the beginning. They can't seriously think we or the Pakistani's believe them when they come to Musharrafs aid again?

As you know, I am convinced that the ISI and musharraf sympathizers murdered her. Amidst increasing violence that will not be quelled Pakistani forts are falling in the tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan. This is just the beginning and this breakdown too will not be averted then Bush will get us in deeper and over the lie called Al Qaeda. For some reason the CIA thinks they have credibility. They are complicit and as dirty as Bush and Musharraf. they stupidly think they can make Musharrafs lies believable, wrong!

Anyway what a surprise, the complicit CIA agrees with Musharrafs lies. The CIA believes extremists associated with a Pakistani tribal leader are responsible for the assassination of former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, according to a U.S. intelligence official. The official, who spoke under condition of anonymity, said the agency concluded that Baitullah Mehsud -- the leader of the Pakistani Taliban who has ties to al Qaeda -- was behind the attack. The Pakistani government was quick to blame Mehsud's organization for Bhutto's death in December, producing an intercepted audio communication in which Mehsud confirmed his men were responsible for the attack. The U.S. intelligence community was first cautious about drawing the same conclusion as the Pakistanis. But after reviewing various other intelligence, the CIA agreed Mehsud played a role in Bhutto's killing, the U.S. official said.

* The CIA viewpoint was first made known in a Washington Post interview with CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden published Friday. "This was done by that network around Baitullah Mehsud. We have no reason to question that," Hayden told the newspaper. Mehsud operates out of the tribal areas of northwestern Pakistan. Pakistani officials have blamed Mehsud's forces for a number of attacks directed against the government, including one this week in which Islamic militants overran a military outpost in South Waziristan. U.S. officials and terrorism experts are increasingly worried about the stability of Pakistan. The Pakistani Taliban and al Qaeda have drawn closer ideologically over the past couple of years and see themselves at war with the Pakistani state, CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen said at a conference at a Washington think tank Wednesday. He pointed to the growing number of attacks against Pakistani government officials and the ISI, the country's intelligence service. CIA agrees with Musharraf

** what a surprise. There is no doubt that many Pakistani's in general want to kill Musharraf and his complicit ISI. That I am sure is true but I do not believe Al Qaeda killed Benazir Bhutto. How can you possibly believe these lying idiots? The CIA and Bush think they can stop Pakistan's breakdown? And by lying again? Forget it! This breakdown is just another step in all out war that I call Bush's new (dis)order Forever War and it will not be avoided because the truth being it is desired! Tell me what you think about this please!

James Joiner

Gardner Ma

http://www.anaveragepatriot.com/

I am going to lighten up today and just discuss the supposed leader of the free world, the chief liar and how he's negatively affected reality today!

I would laugh if it wasn't such a serious situation today because of the blatant in your face lying to achieve ones underhanded goals! I was trying to figure out how to put my story together today without focusing on any one of the serious world shattering issues facing us today when after listening to the obvious lies from Pakistan and talking about Bush's lying for years. I decided to focus on the number one liar Bush and how the terrible example he has set is affecting the entire country and the entire world.
I found a story this morning Crowning The champion Liar
Look at it! It is funny and would be laughable if the lying coming right from the top "Bush" was not damaging the entire world so a not so well hidden agenda can be followed. It is disheartening to see the obvious, blatant, bald faced lies. The entire world is following the example President Bush has set. We will all pay for this true agenda hiding immorality. My first attempt at book writing was a History of American morality and how we must regain our morality if we are to survive through the 21st century. We are not doing it and instead our President with his immoral example of leadership is leading the world to Destruction!

For years I have called Bush the chief Liar and tried to get the country to realize what he was really doing to our America. No one has listened and Our America is dead. We are now living in Bush's created America and it is not good and will get much worse soon unless we can successfully intervene! It isn't funny but I made a joke of Bush's obvious lying when he was first running for mis-President. I used to say he was the champion of lying through his teeth and talking out of both sides of his mouth and all the while his foot is in it and a smirk on his face. I don't know anymore! The entire world is following his example of lying to get what you want while following a hidden agenda.

We watch and listen to examples every single day from around the world and it is so debilitating as we know we are being lied to while having it denied and we are powerless to stop it. Lying has become the new truth! As we watch Bush lying to steal all power over us so he can follow his world altering Forever war while world leaders are lying to stay in power to take him on i.e.: Vladimir Putin! Lies are also being told in order to stay in power to fight with Bush as musharraf has been doing. I am stupefied! Even though we are lied to every day by Bush so he can follow his so called "hidden agenda" and we watch it daily being done around the world as much of the world prepares to join forces and take on Bush.

Even by the low life standard we have become use to seeing this example from Pakistan in the face of the truth takes the prize as the worlds most obvious liar but most definitely not the best! First I am sick of having Al Qaeda dragged out every single time to cover the real terrible truth. Of course this is the case once again! U.S. officials suspect a Taliban leader may be behind the plot to assassinate former Pakistani Prime Minister and opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, a senior official said Friday. The official identified Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud as a leading suspect, saying there's "good information that leads us to believe he is the guy responsible." On Saturday, a spokesman for Mehsud denied his involvement, The Associated Press reported. Earlier Friday, the Pakistani Interior Ministry said it had "intelligence intercepts" indicating he was behind Bhutto's death the day before in Rawalpindi. Listen to the two faced BS
I just heard the official statement from the Government stating that's it case closed. They are convinced Al Qaeda killed Benazir. Bull I am convinced they did. They purposely kept her unguarded until they had their opportunity to kill her and blame it on Al Qaeda. again this too would be comical if it was not so damaging and the end result will be another total breakdown enabling Bush's Forever war.

Pakistan's idiocy is stupefying as it is an obvious lie! Bhutto's political party disputed official versions of the incident, accusing the government of lying. Video footage of Thursday's attack on Bhutto contains a murky shot of a hand firing a pistol three times, but the Pakistani government said Bhutto -- who was standing through her vehicle's sunroof -- was not hit. The latest explanation Friday by Pakistan's Interior Ministry said Bhutto, 54, died from a fractured skull after hitting her head on a piece of the vehicle. Immediately following the gunfire, a suicide bomber ignited explosives near Bhutto's motorcade.

An Interior Ministry spokesman, Brig. Javed Iqbal Cheema, said Bhutto "fell down or perhaps ducked" and apparently hit her head on a lever connected to the car's sunroof. Cheema added that the lever was stained with blood. unbelievable! Cheema's version of events conflicts with that of the government-run news agency Associated Press of Pakistan, which at first quoted the Interior Ministry as saying shrapnel from the bomb blast killed Bhutto. The suicide bomb killed more than 20 others, and at least 100 were wounded.On Thursday, an initial report from the Interior Ministry said Bhutto died of a gunshot wound to the neck.

* Bhutto's death did not result from a bullet or shrapnel, Cheema said, and nothing entered her head. Dr. Mussadiq Khan of Rawalpindi General Hospital, who treated Bhutto before she was declared dead, said she had "a big wound" on the side of her head "that usually occurs when something big, with a lot of speed, hits that area." Farzana Raja of Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party said the government's explanation is "a pack of lies," and she offered another explanation. "It was a sniper shooting," she said, also accusing the government of a "total security lapse." CNN national security analyst Ken Robinson, who worked in U.S. intelligence in Pakistan during the Clinton administration, said he suspects Bhutto's enemies are attempting to control her legacy by minimizing the attack's role in her demise. blatant obvious lies

**"They're trying to deny her a martyr's death, and in Islam, that's pretty important," Robinson said. It will not work and the turmoil that is happening right now will only worsen until it fully explodes, Musharraf again declares Martial Order, and eventually gives Bush the same excuse so ha can prosecute his end of this Bush caused Forever war and it does get worse!

*Well I failed at keeping it light but I am right!

James Joiner
Gardner Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

US to add more troops to Pakistan tribal areas! Did you know we were there? So it Begins, World War Three!

You know I am very concerned about Pakistan knowing its proximity, its Islamic militancy, Its possession of nuclear weapons, and its growing volatility. On the 12th I did a story updating the tenuous situation in Pakistan with promise of US intervention. I do frequent updates as to its role in 9/11 and the developments in Pakistan because in this mis named war on terror, as goes in Pakistan so goes the US and the world. On the 12th I wrote Welcome to World War Three

I won't get into what we now call pulling a Musharraf but what I have learned this morning makes it necessary to update Pakistan's developments and our involvement there. First, now I understand why Musharraf says he will take off his uniform. As embattled President Pervez Musharraf and his political opponents grapple over the country's future, an equally crucial role may be played by a less known figure -- a blunt-talking, chain-smoking, golf-playing general who by all reports would like the army to get out of politics. Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, 55, Musharraf's designated No. 2 man in the military, is slotted to be the next army chief of Pakistan when Musharraf gives up his uniform, as he has promised to do. That would give him enormous influence in a country with a history of military rule and coups. A major question is just how loyal he and Pakistan's other generals are to Musharraf during the current crisis.

Kayani's importance is such that U.S. envoy John Negroponte, who knows the general from previous intelligence work, met with him twice on his whirlwind visit to Pakistan last weekend. So far, Kayani and the army are standing cautiously behind Musharraf, even if some soldiers privately disagreed with Musharraf's decision to declare a state of emergency Nov. 3, analysts and diplomats say. The top generals are more likely to just watch and wait for now; their main concern is whether a deteriorating situation might force them to confront civilian protesters and further undermine the military's shaky standing.

"I think currently the men are behind him," said a Western military official who spoke on condition of anonymity. "They're letting the politics play out." By his own schedule, Musharraf came a step closer to resigning as army chief of staff Monday when Pakistan's Supreme Court dismissed all but one legal challenge against his being president and military commander at the same time. Musharraf suspended the constitution earlier this month on the eve of the expected ruling, which could have declared his presidency invalid. Monday's ruling was made by a newly constituted court, which Musharraf packed with sympathetic justices after the emergency decree. It is expected on Thursday to reject the final challenge, which is a minor one. Musharraf has hand picked the courts to support him and he has appointed all the top Generals so he has sufficiently stacked the deck in his favor but this is very volatile pakistan and the military is sick of fighting its own people for the US so who knows? I was surprised to read about all the military coups. Please readThe tangled History

Amidst this volatility we are preparing to blow the whole thing wide open. A new and classified American military proposal outlines an intensified effort to enlist tribal leaders in the frontier areas of Pakistan in the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, as part of a broader effort to bolster Pakistani forces against an expanding militancy, American military officials said.
If adopted, the proposal would join elements of a shift in strategy that would also be likely to expand the presence of American military trainers in Pakistan, directly finance a separate tribal paramilitary force that until now has proved largely ineffective and pay militias that agreed to fight Al Qaeda and foreign extremists, officials said. The United States now has only about 50 troops in Pakistan, a Pentagon spokesman said, a force that could grow by dozens under the new approach.

The proposal is modeled in part on a similar effort by American forces in Anbar Province in Iraq that has been hailed as a great success in fighting foreign insurgents there. But it raises the question of whether such partnerships, to be forged in this case by Pakistani troops backed by the United States, can be made without a significant American military presence in Pakistan. And it is unclear whether enough support can be found among the tribes, some of which are working with Pakistan's intelligence agency.

Altogether, the broader strategic move toward more local support is being accelerated because of concern about instability in Pakistan and the weakness of the Pakistani government, as well as fears that extremists with havens in the tribal areas could escalate their attacks on allied troops in Afghanistan. Just in recent weeks, Islamic militants sympathetic to Al Qaeda and the Taliban have already extended their reach beyond the frontier areas into more settled areas, most notably the mountainous region of Swat. All I see is Hell while American security officials say they see security Improvements. You read it and tell me

* All I see with an American military presence in Pakistan is an increase in desertions, deaths, and PTSD, as this so called war against terrorism will quickly erupt into World War Three and further Bush's Forever War!

James Joiner
Gardner Ma
www.wnwveragepatriot.com

Knowing what is happening in Pakistan, having to sound like Musharraf's friend shows you how desperate the situation in the war against terrorism is!

Lou Dobbs: Pakistan's President, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has carried out another coup to preserve the status quo, and the result has been violence and civil unrest. But chaos is hardly limited to Pakistan.
Some 100,000 Turkish troops are massed on Iraq's northern border eager to attack Kurdish rebels. Iran continues to defy the West in its pursuit of nuclear weapons, while supporting Shiite insurgents in Iraq. More of our troops have been killed this year in Iraq than in any year since the war began, and the war has now lasted longer than World War II. It is no coincidence that as instability and violence spreads through the Islamic world, and particularly in the Middle East, the price of crude oil is nearing $100 a barrel. The United States also faces critical geopolitical and economic challenges from Russia and China, while the U.S. dollar plummets in world currency markets and our credit markets are racked by a trillion-dollar subprime-mortgage crisis and nearly 2 million home foreclosures.

Lou Dobbs is right but his view of the 2008 election is off. I do not share his optimism that people will wake up or as you know, that the elections if they occur will be untainted. I think if they are held they will once again be stolen. Anyway he mistakenly believes the surprise this November will be the election of a man or woman of great character, vision and accomplishment, a candidate who has not yet entered the race. No way in hell unless it is Gore! Anyway if you want to read all his thoughts Here they are

I hate to tell him but it is a lot worse than all that. Yes this has been going on longer than WW2 but it will be more comparable to the Hundred Years War, the US society will come close to failure, and the challenge from Russia and China may be financial for now but when we attack Iran it will be militarily and world war three will be the result in Bush's Forever War and it will not be avoided.

What is happening in Pakistan will not be quelled and will erupt, and then... Bush said he directed Rice to deliver this message: "We expect there to be elections as soon as possible and that the president should remove his military uniform." They were the president's first public comments on the situation since Musharraf imposed a state of emergency, suspended his country's constitution, ousted the country's top judge, stifled independent media and deployed troops to crush dissent. He called it necessary to prevent a takeover by Islamic extremists. It will not be prevented period!

Bush mixed concern for Musharraf's actions with praise for Pakistan's cooperation in combating al-Qaida terrorists believed to be rebuilding strongholds on the largely lawless border with Afghanistan. "President Musharraf has been a strong fighter against extremists and radicals," Bush said at the end of an Oval Office meeting with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Even a senior administration official, at a White House briefing, merely called Musharraf "a friend who we think has done something ill-advised." The official spoke on condition of anonymity so he could talk more freely about the behind-the-scenes thoughts of the White House. Read Bush's comments on Musharraf

*I want to add that while musharraf is concentrating on arresting opponents Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and assorted terrorists and Insurgents are preparing to go after him, those nukes, Afghanistan, and more. Anyway Former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto escalated her confrontation with the government by calling on Pakistanis to rise against the imposition of emergency rule by Pervez Musharraf, the nation's president and army chief. "I appeal to the people of Pakistan to come forward. We are under attack," Ms. Bhutto told a news conference after holding talks with other opposition leaders in Islamabad.Bhutto vowed to lead a protest march by her Pakistan People's Party Friday to the garrison town of Rawalpindi, which also is home to Gen. Musharraf. The government has banned the protest, raising the prospects for large-scale clashes between supporters of Ms. Bhutto and security forces. You know they will happen!

*After a few days when she carefully calibrated her response to the imposition of emergency rule by avoiding direct comments on Gen. Musharraf, Ms. Bhutto, 54 years old, seems to be warming to her role as the most prominent voice of opposition -- and one of the few main opposition politicians not in jail. Wednesday, she issued an ultimatum to Gen. Musharraf to step down as army chief and end emergency rule by next week. "We will launch a long march to Islamabad if he does not restore the constitution and hold elections on schedule," Ms. Bhutto said. "How many people can they put behind bars? We will produce so many that they will not have enough jails." you'll be surprised! with Musharrafs term ending on the 15th and an announcement coming on the day before, you know they will not be on time.

*Bhutto warned the government of serious repercussions if it tried to detain her. "God willing, there will be a flood of people. If I am arrested, people should continue the struggle," she said. Gen. Musharraf nor Ms. Bhutto -- both of whom have received American support for a power-sharing deal they reached last month but is now on hold -- will likely be able to defuse the militancy, according to Shaukat Qadir, a retired brigadier-general who has served extensively in Pakistan's border areas. "Both Musharraf and Benazir Bhutto are viewed as American stooges," says Mr. Qadir. "This will give rise to a stronger militancy." Read about the rise in stakes

**This is all about support for Bush and the so called war against Islamists and Bhutto's march Friday will be well worth watching! It will lead to direct total chaos in Pakistan and spread from there. With the mess Bush has created in that region, the mess he has created in the middle east, the mess he is creating with Russia and China over the missile shield, the mess he has made in South America our own back yard, Bush has purposely set the world up for his Forever War and it will not be avoided. You can only guess what the future will bring to the world and the mess he has made out of "our America"

James Joiner
Gardner Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Musharraf will dictate the future of the world as it's erupting into total chaos as expected!

What Musharraf did will dictate the future of the US and the world as it's erupting total chaos as expected!
We are witnessing the beginning of total Financial meltdown and total world chaos that many denied but it is now happening and is too late to stop! I will spare you the links today but I have been saying for years now that the second great depression is coming as soon as reality sets in. Today I heard so much bad news for our financial future that I have been to no avail trying to get the country to realize the brevity of, that it is beginning to happen and we know what that alone will mean for the US and the world. Bush's House of cards is collapsing and it will encompass the entire world as it erupts into unstoppable unavoidable. uncontrollable war.

I am also right now listening to the chief idiot who is in a meeting with Turkey's President. The dumb ass is saying he has to make Iraqi's realize the blessings of Democracy. Yeah like we do, right! I also heard Kosovo is erupting again and Turkey wants our troops to secure Northern Iraq to protect them. Yeah right, our troops have nothing better to do as they are fighting around the world and when they get a break from Bush's wars they must save the country from natural disasters turned crises.

Anyway In the same breath Bush says Musharraf must take off his uniform and return to Democracy as Musharraf like Bush, says he is fighting terrorism while trying to steal total power for life. I have tried to tell people for years that Bush's societal and middle east breakdown will spread throughout the entire world, to no avail. Now it is happening and it is beyond any control!
We watch on a smaller scale but no less disheartening Myanmar and you better realize it will eventually spread throughout the entire world. Remember Tianaman square, Tibet, Georgia, Venezuela,our own loss of rights as Bush tries to secure the total control he criticizes others for doing.
Musharraf is now cracking down to keep his grubby hands in power using the excuse of fighting terrorism. Sound familiar? As you know, in actuality he feared losing his power and once he arrests all opposition and stacks the system in his favor he says he will reinstate a Democracy. actually opposition will only spread and he will have the excuse to have to keep the order in effect. Watch those damn nukes! Right now thousands of lawyers are protesting but opposition will spread into total chaos and spread around the world. I wrote a couple of stories highlighting the fact that though he will of course deny it, Bush with 3 carrier Battle groups in the Gulf and the Charles De Gaulle guarding the mouth is ideally situated to attack Iran and Pakistan from there without additional ground troops as is the plan!

The total world breakdown Bush initiated is getting under way. in America we are no longer a Democracy or a Government of the people for the people by the people facilitated by society.As you know, we are now a Government of the Politicians for the affluent by the legal system, all facilitated by the media.Nothing will change that until we enmasse protest Congress and all our Representatives. Threaten them with their jobs and hold them accountable as has not been done. As you can see the world breaking down that to me Bush set in motion with his middle east breakdown that will soon really get going, is well underway and if we are able to succeed here it will mean nothing until the entire world gets involved as countries around the world have been set into motion and our now beyond our control. Peace and order lovers around the world must rise up or we will not be successful in stopping this. Bono and other great people are wasting their time unless we can stop what is happening around the world as there will be no future. It is even worse than Gore, Rep. Olver, Sen. Leahey, or Nader realize. I have been trying to get people to realize for years and they are waking up, but?

Putin, Chavez and those that do not already have it are pursuing to the growing angst of their citizens, life time presidency and absolute control in order to fight this. Not just us but countries around the world are experiencing a loss of what rights they had as those in charge are amassing control so they can prosecute this upcoming world war.
When I first started telling people of the total financial and structural collapse of America and that bush was doing it on purpose people were peeved saying no President would do that. I said it would spread throughout the entire world and it is. they called me a hysterical pessimist and just laughed.
No one is laughing anymore as the total collapse has begun and it can no longer denied or laughed at unless you are one that wants it! Only the average citizens of the world coming together enmasse against their perspective Governments can turn this around and stop it. As I talk to people every day who think I am some kind of a nut and realizing most do not realize what is really happening or do and can not be bothered, I can not see that happening nor can I see Bush being deterred by mass protests unless we are able to get respected people on our side. We must do something!

James Joiner
Gardner MA
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Experts rightly say the climate is our biggest security threat, we all know it as we watch the world prepare to make it irreperable!

Experts rightly say the Climate is our biggest security threat: we all know it as we watch the world prepare to worsen it Exponentially!
It really bothers me that any idiot knows this as we watch the environment deteriorate around the world and what we see beginning right here in America is occurring on an even worse scale as the world ignores the reality of our situation and because of Bush, is racing towards world war three. Attacking Iran will be the trigger. we just do not know what the excuse to pull that trigger will be?
First, knowing what many of us fear is going to happen right here as you are I am sure I am very concerned over Musharraf setting the example and Declaring Martial Law so he could stay in power. We know what this will mean to this so called war on terror but I have environmental concerns so here it is If you want to read about it Here is another look at the power grabbing Pakistani state of emergency

Anyway, as we watch the world race to war over Iran we hear the truth spoken but of course ignored so Bush can find his excuse to attack Iran. I know it is worthless but I thought it pretty funny when President Carter called Bush a fool over Iran. Watch the Video
Iran will be attacked and that will set off world war three but I want to talk about our deteriorating environment that we are preparing to essentially destroy. Just in America we watch every day as one part of the country or the other is experiencing the dire consequences of our worsening environment. We have been watching the developing water wars between Alabama, Florida, and Georgia.not to speak of the continuing wildfires in California, and most of the country experiencing floods, numerous tornadoes,hurricanes, and severe heat.

This all adds up to just one more reason for Bush to have to declare martial order himself as many of us suspect. It is very telling that every single time in the chief idiots Presidency that Bush speaks against something as he did in this case, he is guilty of doing it himself or preparing too. I don't know any exception do you?
There is so much to discuss today in regard to Bush's Duplicity but I have to discuss the Southeast's water situation as it is worse than I thought and we haven't heard anything officially on it. I haven't even heard it acknowledge or spoken about from the White House.

I know it is just one small town so I am sure it is of no concern to Bush but this is related to the larger problem in the area, Alabama, Florida, and Georgia: ORME, Tenn. (AP) — As twilight falls over this Tennessee town, Mayor Tony Reames drives up a dusty dirt road to the community's towering water tank and begins his nightly ritual in front of a rusty metal valve. With a twist of the wrist, he releases the tank's meager water supply, and suddenly this sleepy town is alive with activity. Washing machines whir, kitchen sinks fill and showers run. About three hours later, Reames will return and reverse the process, cutting off water to the town's 145 residents.
The severe drought tightening like a vise across the Southeast has threatened the water supply of cities large and small, sending politicians scrambling for solutions. But Orme, about 40 miles west of Chattanooga and 150 miles northwest of Atlanta, is a town where the worst-case scenario has already come to pass: The water has run out.
The mighty waterfall that fed the mountain hamlet has been reduced to a trickle, and now the creek running through the center of town is dry. Three days a week, the volunteer fire chief hops in a 1961 fire truck at 5:30 a.m. — before the school bus blocks the narrow road — and drives a few miles to an Alabama fire hydrant. He meets with another truck from nearby New Hope, Ala. The two drivers make about a dozen runs back and forth, hauling about 20,000 gallons of water from the hydrant to Orme's tank. Please read A town out of water
I am surprised nothing can be done but am concerned about the Atlanta area and some of the things I am learning as to how bad it is and still nothing from the White House. Persistent droughts continue to dry up water supplies throughout the southeast, causing widespread restrictions on usage that, in some cases, are pitting neighbors - and states - against one another. With no end in sight, the U.S. Weather Service reported Thursday, parts of the region could to run out of water in less than 90 days.
Georgia, Alabama and Florida all derive most of their water supplies from the same two reservoirs, managed by the federal Army Corps of Engineers. While more people in Florida and Alabama tend to use more water for farms, power plants and industry, Georgia Governor Sonny Perdue is working to make sure that residents in his state don't wind up high and dry.

I am hearing for the first time about lake Allatoona in Georgia, Atlanta's secondary water supply and how important it is not only to Georgia but Alabama, and Florida. As a result of going to Washington to look for help as water is running out in Lake Lanier there main water supply, Governor Perdue arrived home to more water Problems. It seems to ne as a reward for complaining Georgia was now going to lose some water rights to Lake Allatoona.
Maybe I am naive but this absolutely blew me away. I was stupefied to hear that Cobb County returns 15 million gallons of treated sewage to the Lake every single day. That sounds pretty bad to me. Is this standard procedure? I was amazed to find this out. It seems to me that that area must already have a severe problem if they are doing that. Anyway as Alabama relies on Lake Allatoona as its main water supply they were allotted more water and Georgia's allotment of the treated seage was cut. I mean, this all just blows me away!
Cobb's water authority got pulled into the temporary agreement because Allatoona is especially valuable to Alabama. The state takes much of its drinking and industrial water from the Alabama-Coosa-Tallapoosa River Basin, which feeds the lake. The basin starts in northwest Georgia and flows to the Mobile Bay in Alabama. The problem is worsening
We are not hearing anything about this and as I am right now listening to what is going on in Pakistan and I can only come to the conclusion that as Musharraf said he had to take control because there was so many problems in the country but we know he feared losing his power, that Bush is allowing problems to add up in America so that he can do the same damn thing! what do you think?
I want to close with a Link to the experts saying what we already know and that is that the climate, our environment, is our biggest security threat and not the so called terrorists that Bush is using for his excuse to start world war three and worse the planets condition beyond any hopes of repair. Please read the think tanks dire assertions

James Joiner
Gardner Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

George W Bush, Pervez Musharraf, Martial order, water wars, environmental crisis

Bush encouraged about Afghanistan, Musharraf fears talibanization, Bush dead wrong, neither have a clue what they're facing!

It is really hard listening to the so called leaders discuss how to fight and win this war on rising Islamism that is still just beginning knowing they do not have a clue as to what is happening, how to win this, and how this is going to be won. Bush has proven many times that he will not wake up for many reasons so for America we have to continue to try to get all average Americans to understand what we are really up against and that little Bush is winning nothing and does not have a clue.
This is still just getting started. Bush gave an upbeat view of Iraq but acknowledged the country's slow political progress. In stating his case, the president emphasized enemy deaths. He has to stop playing cheerleader for once in his life. You can kill a million of them and it will not matter. That is a moot point. There is no shortage of volunteers in large part because Bush is the best recruiting tool the so called terrirists have.
Overall, Bush said al Qaeda and other extremists are under withering attack. "Since January," he said, "each month we have killed or captured an average of more than 1,500 al Qaeda terrorists and other enemies of Iraq's elected government." I am sick of hearing this Political rhetoric. This war against so called terrorism is still just beginning and besides being the poster child for Islamist recruitment his attack on Iraq and its destabilizing effect in the middle east is also just beginning. With the failing infrastructure in Iraq and basic human needs unable to be met and they will not be by us, we are winning nothing but the hearts and minds of mindless Bush fans.

On Afghanistan, Bush voiced confidence in Afghan President Hamid Karzai, with whom he met at the Camp David, Maryland, presidential retreat earlier in the week. Bush, echoing Karzai, said the resurgent Taliban are not a threat to the government of Afghanistan. "The Taliban fighters can still launch attacks on the innocent, but they cannot stop the march of democracy in Afghanistan," Bush said.
Correct me if i'm wrong but I remember talk of inviting the Taliban to participate in the Government because they were too hard to fight. Also amidst increased American casualties three of which occurred yesterday wasn't that the first day light frontal assault on an Allied outpost that occurred last week? Why does he continue to get away with lying and convenient ommisions of facts and the truth?
http://www.cnn.com/...
Anyway one person as usal is right but wrong about what they are facing and how to win. Musharaf was right in saying Military action and diplomacy are key in the fight against a rise in Taliban extremism currently plaguing Pakistan, But wrong to think that it or any combination there of will win anything. To extremists, getting rid of him would be a nice start.
He said Military action and diplomacy are key in the fight against a rise in Taliban extremism currently plaguing Pakistan, the country's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, said during a joint Afghan-Pakistani peace jirga in Kabul. The Pakistani leader, whose nearly eight-year rule is being challenged by opposition activists and Islamic militants, said he has witnessed "the rise of extremism, militancy and violence tearing at the fabric of our society." I guess no one will get him to see reality either unless he does and due to Bush must ignore it.
As you know, In recent days a crisis had been brewing in Pakistan, with the country teetering on the edge of a state of emergency amid the growing security threat in the country's lawless tribal regions. Musharraf thinks he can successfully combat this and like Bush blames it on a crisis had been brewing in Pakistan, with the country teetering on the edge of a state of emergency amid the growing security threat in the country's lawless tribal regions. Also what he calls a phenomenon of Talibanization and other forms of extremism, saying there are people that may be sympathetic to Taliban point of view and susceptible to extremism." http://www.cnn.com/...

Regardless of what karzai, Musharraf, Bush, or anyone else says they will success comat and turn nothing around certainly not extremists. Bush of course did not start this fervor of increased Islamist nationalism but his "perceived" militarism towards Islam has certainly fueled the fire beyond any control.
There are elements who want a Muslim State in Iraq thanks to Bush and other middle east States, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Spain's Basque region, and now Indonesia speaks up again. Nearly 90,000 followers of a hard-line Muslim group packed a stadium in the Indonesian capital Sunday, calling for the creation of an Islamic state and thunderously chanting "Allah is great!" The group that sponsored this rally is outlawed in Indonesia. Hizbut Tahrir, a Sunni organization with an estimated million members, is banned in some Asian and Arab countries, but drew supporters from Europe, Africa and the Middle East to Indonesia for a meeting of the group that is held every two years.Speeches called for the return of the caliphate, or Islamic statehood, across the Muslim world. The crowd, divided into sections for women and men, roared in support.
"We need to carry this message from every corner from the east to west, so that on judgment day we can be proud," said Salim Frederick of Hizbut Tahrir's English branch. That message is being increasingly heard and voiced around the world.
http://www.foxnews.com/...
This movement towards Islamist lone rule, recapturing all lands that were once theirs, and the drive for Islamic States is still in its infacy and will increase exponentially as time passes and the emotion spreads and it will. It will not be won Diplomaticlly, militarily or any other way. It will only be won by perseverence and attrition over a long, long, long, long, time.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Obama's stance on Pakistan should make you realize what you don't want to hear and no one talks about!

In light of my line of conversation in how this so called war on terror is going to plat out I think it is important to discuss what Barack Obama said today on the subject. He mentioned something that will be a necessity but does not realize the dire repercussions. I don't know what you think of Obama's stance on fighting terrorism or whether or not it will help or hurt him but let's give this a parsing and then discuss reality. Politicians do not and will not ever see it and it is soon to hit us all.
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Wednesday that he would send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists even without local permission if warranted in an attempt to show strength when his chief rival has described his foreign policy skills as naive.
. I am listening to his speech being analyzed saying he is brave enough to come forward and say and do something Bush has refused too. I don't have to tell you I am no friend of little Bushie's but I am in the unenviable position of defending just this one little thing.
Knowing how volatile the situation is in Pakistan I am convinced that Bush will attack them if he deems necessary or as he said himself, will go into Pakistan to get terrorists if he knows where they are. I don't know how convicted he is to this and I happen to think they are everywhere but yesterday I discussed the ramifications of funding Saudi Arabia and others to do Bush's ground war against Iran and Syria.
He will now be free to go after Pakistan and Iran from the Gulf with our carrier and battle Groups while others will be doing the brunt of the fighting and ground combat. Everything is almost prepared. Bush is prepared in the Gulf and we have a seasoned fleet Admiral in command of middle east forces set to lead events while others expend their efforts on Iran.
Anyway this is called brave talk for Obama and I hate to say it but it is right on target but again, no one mentions the repercussions of doing this. The Illinois Senator warned Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf that he must do more to shut down terrorist operations in his country and evict foreign fighters under an Obama presidency, or Pakistan will risk a U.S. troop invasion and losing hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid. I don't have to tell you but this may play good politically but there is no way you could clear out those radical Madrasas and the towns of radicals let alone the fiercely independent mountainous areas. Ask the many who have tried and failed as we would.
"Let me make this clear," Obama said in a speech at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. "There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."
I have always thought that was a mistake. Knowing hard line Bush I will never understand that unless there was someone there they wanted kept alive? I can also understand attacking from a drone but to threaten an Invasion? Obama's speech comes the week after his rivalry with New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton erupted into a public fight over their diplomatic intentions. Again I don't have to tell you these Political spats are just that and just to say something because it is Politically favorable plays well but though I in the end cannot see it being avoided but all hell will erupt.
Thousands of Taliban fighters are based in Pakistan's vast and jagged mountains where they can pass into Afghanistan, train for suicide operations and find refuge from local tribesmen. Intelligence experts warn that al-Qaida could be rebuilding here to mount another attack on the United States and you know they are. Invading Pakistan though will bring to a head this war of all wars for sure.
Obama said that as commander in chief he would remove troops from Iraq and putting them "on the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan." He said he would send at least two more brigades to Afghanistan and increase nonmilitary aid to the country by $1 billion.
ABC7Chicago.com: Obama says he would send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists
I of course agree with that but a million more men over there would do the same thing they would do to bring victory in Iraq, nothing! Politician's and so called experts for some reason do not want you to know or they are too stupid to realize it themselves but this so called war on terror is still just getting started and the Political games must stop if we are to succeed in this endeavor.
Bush has certainly worsened our situation as he endeavors for his new world "dis"order but fighting "insurgents" in Iraq, "Taliban" in Afghanistan, "Al Qaeda" in the U.S, "Islamists" in Pakistan, like it or not will continue to spread and this so called war on terror will be ongoing for generations and despite Partisan rhetoric over Iraq we will be followed home anyway. As you know, I am convinced we will be in Pakistan too. I don't see any way around it and a lot more as this war against Islam that isn't continues to grow. The Politicians and so called experts do not have a clue as to how much of a long haul this in fact will be.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://www.anaveragepatriot.com/

The war against Islam that isn't, because of Iran and Pakistan is about to get out of control!

Those of you that follow my posts know that I believe unequivocally that Bush diverted from the so called war on terror to attack Iraq not to free them of Saddam but in order to get the American military back in the middle east and nothing is going to get in his way as you bear witness. Going after Iran was only one of the original plans. Bush is pursuing a new middle east order as part of his new world order. It is all about to come crashing down on us.
We have a lot to be concerned about around the world and much of it due to Bush's new order instigation. Put this all together as a whole picture and you see what is about to happen and it will not be prevented or controlled.
We think of the obvious such as China gearing up militarily to become the next super power and they may be already. we take into account the fact that Russia and China now routinely hold joint military and Naval exercises supposedly in order to counter terrorism. We watch as Bush and Putin go tit for tat in their threats. Bush to put the WW3, new world order provoking missile shields in Chezhoslovakia and Poland, and Putin raising the Iron Curtain, rearming, dropping arms treaties, and retargeting missiles. We watch as Chavez and the other 135 non-aligned Nations join with Iran and call for "Death to America" in particular Bush.
As we watch helplessly as Bush gleefully war mongers around the world creating what he thinks will be his new world order, Bushco is overlooking some serious unmentioned repercussions that are preparing to be added to the volatile mix we all watch and I just mentioned.
Knowing that I have been saying for years now that when all is said and done Bush will have his new world order war but it will not turn out as anyone thinks or can imagine. I keep saying it will be us, the Brits, ans Israel, against the rest of the world.
I have done more than a few stories detailing Documented action by Pakistan long before 9/11 including its funding of Muhamad Atta and others involved in the 9/11 attacks and too much more. Knowing the very shady history of Pakistan's involvement with 9/11, later Tora Bora, and terrorism proliferation and what is happening today in the madrassas and a call for Jihad against Musharaff, I remembered it is getting worse but we had this discussion almost a year ago on 9/23. Under the title, 9/11 Press For Truth: Very Best accurate movie exposing 9/11 cover up!
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blog.../
We knew how important Pakistan was in keeping Afghanistan supplied with fighters when they were fighting the Russians. We knew for whatever reason that it would be impossible to tame that area. Bush is threatening so called Islamists on every front possible as he tries to prosecute his new order.
Amidst calls for a Jihad against Musharaff,s Government by Al-Zawahiri we have Musharaff laughingly saying he will clean up the Madrassas and the extremists. President Pervez Musharaff vowed to wipe out extremism from Pakistan, saying in a defiant address to the nation that the raid on Islamabad's Red Mosque was necessary to save the country. That was done for Bush and it will only serve to bring about the same conditions his intervention in Iraq has brought to Iraqi's and soon the entire middle east.
Military ruler Musharaff, still being called a key ally in the US-led "war on terror," also said he would beef up security forces along the border with Afghanistan, where Taliban militants are active, giving the troops extra tanks and guns. The televised address came amid fears of a possible Islamist backlash following the raid on the mosque this week that killed 11 soldiers and 75 people inside the complex, mainly militants. http://www.dailynews.lk/...
Now that the Judge whose incarceration by Musharraf has just been ordered released he is being hailed as a hero and The flags of Pakistan's rival political parties waved, for once, in unison. Members of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party, of Nawaz Sharif's Pakistan Muslim League, of conservative Jammat Islamia and fundamentalist Jamiat Ulema Islam, were out in full force, as were thousands of ordinary Pakistanis. Rauf Naizi, a 33-year-old farmer, had been waiting hours for the Chief Justice to pass through Haripur, the halfway point on Chaudhry's route.
"The government rents crowds for their rallies, but we are not getting money or food to be here," he said. "We come just to pay tribute to the Chief Justice, because he stood up against the army generals." Musharraf has united the fragile Nation of Pakistan against him at a very critical time for us.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1628168,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topics
Knowing Bush believes Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Bush are both in Pakistan and that at least Congress is getting frustrated at not having captured Bin Laden and ridiculously they doubled his and Al-Zawarihi's bounty to $50 million. I first have to laugh! They know that money means nothing to those people, only bringing us down and nothing is going to change that. Also I wouldn't doubt if Bush knows where they are and is waiting to use his "capture" at the end of his election.
Also Taliban military commander Mansour Dadullah, in an interview broadcast on ABC News' "World News With Charles Gibson," said the London attacks were "not enough" and that bigger attacks were coming. "You will, God willing, be witness to more attacks," he told a Pakistani journalist in an interview conducted just four days ago.
Just last month, Dadullah presided over what was termed a terror training camp graduation ceremony in Pakistan, supposedly dispatching attack teams to the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany. In this new interview, Dadullah talked about the ease with which he and his men operate inside Pakistan. "We have many friends," he said. "It is very easy for us to go in and out of the tribal areas. It is no problem." Of course Pakistan continues to deny they have safe haven as you can be sure they do. http://blogs.abcnews.com/...
Knowing the situation in Pakistan is getting more tenuous and that terrorists do have safe haven there I am getting increasingly concerned that Bush will, forced or not, openly send our military in there and worsen things all around. No way you say! Then I remembered we have had his warning before that he indeed would.
We had this discussion too last September. It was titled Bush threatened to bomb Pakistan after 9/11 would send troops in if he knew where Bin Laden was? He will get us in deeper somehow! http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blog.../
Bush has vowed to follow terrorists wherever he deems necessary and has proven a propensity to do so even if he has to create the situation. I am increasingly concerned that Pakistan will soon become yet another front in the so called war on terror for us. I thought Iran would be his next misstep but what do you think about that?
This is getting lengthy but just one more note. I recieved an Email from an Indian Politician about 2 years ago that somehow got deleted and I wish I still had it. Anyway with what I just said in mind he said that when all is said and done Iran would unite with Pakistan to repel the infidel invaders, us.
Anyway you look at it pakistan is exploding and it will not be good for us. At the same time Bush is in the middle east and it is preparing to explode and deepen our commitment exponentially we may have no choice but to get overwhelmed in the Pakistan Afghanistan region. and remember there are nukes to worry about in what is increasingly developing into a Islamist controlled nation. Bush must be pretty happy with all these wars at his disposal. What a mess!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com