Saturday, December 05, 2009

Let's talk Turkey!

The US Needs Turkey for its Middle East Agenda but so doesn't the rest of the world, so?

Turkey's future is tied to a pipeline!
It really drives me crazy but the more you research the more you realize all throughout the middle east, Georgia, Afghanistan, everywhere, all the wars and controversy can be tied back to gas and oil. Russia's interest in Iran in numerous and as such is not singular to nuclear cooperation. You might have already known Russia was also interested in Iran's gas and oil but an interesting possible relationship and cooperation just dawned on me.

I am sure you remember Russia creating a crisis recently shutting off Europe's gas and oil supply after its confrontation with Georgia! That and the fact that Turkey has long desired and endeavored to become a member of the European Union. This opens up a win win for all involved!

* Center pin Turkey, King pin Russia, center pin Iran! Winner US, European Union, Iran, Russia, and all our union and future! Remember the missile defense shield President Obama killed as an issue by switching to the Aegis? The missile Defense shield was starting to look like a necessity with N Korea in pressing on missiles capable of carrying war heads and the ability to reach Hawaii or so we hear. Iran we still do not know about but they will not compromise their nuclear desires so with a responsible credible ally if Russia is one, the responsibility to ensure Iran's real intentions would be there's under scrutiny of course. There is room here.

** The winners in all this is everyone, but Turkey and the EU above all! Russia wants the franchise for Iran's gas and oil! Turkey is at the crossroads of the middle east and the European Union. This is a major point for compromise in all our problems! Give Russia the franchise, the EU lets Turkey join in turn for Turkey allowing a pipeline from Iran through Turkey into the EU. Everyone wins! A win win for all and a chance for us to move into the future as one.

I reiterate the future is up to a pipeline!

In the middle east we have been living a total lie from 9/11 on! You have not heard the truth once! Not on the events of 9/11,the Anthrax attacks which scared Congress to pass the so called Patriot Act and give Bush the abusive power he needed to attack Afghanistan for not allowing his pipeline through Afghanistan. The only remaining obstacle on 9-11 was the remaining agreement between the Taliban and Bridas Corporation. The Bush Administration, Congress, many in our major media, and even the 9-11 Commission and Cheney Energy Task Force all know about Bridas Corporation because that Argentine oil and gas company was standing in the way of our US oil companies and UK oil companies. The Caspian Basin oil is landlocked and there are only so many ways to get that oil out of the ground, to the ocean ports and into your gas tanks or home heating oil tanks.

What a coincidence huh? There is the direct route from Turkmenistan across Iran to the ocean, but that is not politically popular since the overthrow of the Shah of Iran many years ago. There is: 1.) the route across the Caspian Sea westward, which is extremely costly; and through Azerbaijan through Turkey to the Mediterranean; and 2.) from Turkmenistan through Georgia to the Black Sea; and 3.) through the Ukraine to Europe; and 4.) the Turkmenistan through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the ocean. Until one of those solutions was in place, the holes being drilled into the ground by British Petroleum, Chevron, Exxon and others could not go anywhere and could not produce revenues for those companies. A route northward through Russia would put US oil companies at risk to changes in Russian politics and the Eastward route through China was not deemed secure enough since China is soon to become the second largest user of petroleum in the world after the United States.


Many of us have said numerous times that Bush was advised before hand that if he attacked Iraq he would destabilize the middle east. He knew before he ignored all good advice that the neighbors would get involved and they are. He knew that it was most likely that Iraq would be divvied up between the Kurds, the Sunni's, and the Shiite and it will be. In the past I have written extensively the entire middle east would blow and then the entire world would be involved in war. I know that both Turkey and Iran are fighting Kurds that are looking for Autonomy but never really thought that a free Kurdistan would encompass areas of Iran and Turkey as well as Iraq. knowing the close American Kurdish relationship I really have to rethink what Bush's real goal was here after I discovered an old story. Tell me what you think!

Kurdistan Observer: A Free Kurdistan! Recent nuances and nudges in government policy as well as tacit support for the most obscene anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism by the ruling political party of Turkey ought to cause the United States to begin to rethink its comprehensive policy toward Asia in general and toward one non-Arab minority in Iraq in particular: the Kurds. What, today, is the most intractable political problem in Iraq? It is the very real political and religious aims of Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish regions of the nation. Since the inception of Operation Iraqi Freedom, President Bush has maintained that the unity of the nation of Iraq was non-negotiable. In politics and in war, however, nothing should be non-negotiable.

This sounds vaguely familiar but Iraq is not a nation in any real sense, it was rather three separate concentration camps each with differing degrees of oppression. An answer? Maybe but there are numerous counties involved and they all want their answer as a result there will be none I am afraid because peace and prosperity is not the goal but getting ones way and individual National Sovereignty is!

The US needs Turkey for its middle east policy but it is obvious the rest of the world does too. Turkey and the world are at a crossroads which way will we go!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma


Holte Ender said...

Under the waning Ottaman Empire, Turkey was know as the "sick man of Europe" probably more angry than sick any more, the EU is reluctant to invite turkey into their private club because it is 90% Muslim and the rights of EU citizens say they can travel to member states unhindered, western Europeans don't want millions of Turks wondering into their crowded cities looking for work. A trading membership is possible, without full EU rights. Geographically Turkey is the crossroads for many cultures and is influenced by them all including the radical arm of fundamentalism even though it has a secular government. Dealing with Turkey will not be easy.

an average patriot said...

You know Holte I always thought it would behoove the EU to bring in Turkey and the sooner the better. I was thinking oil wise it would be very beneficial.

I never gave the freedom of movement a thought. That would definitely be a problem. Are there enough membership benefits so they would go for it despite travel restrictions,? Is that the big reason the EU is reticent?

PoliShifter said...

I realize this is a little OT but I saw the word pipeline...

Yes the pipeline..hence more troops to Afghanistan...

Our government tells itself we need to secure our energy future and the way to do is to get that pipeline in Afghanistan send in the troops!

But I still fail to see why we should use our military and our tax dollars so that some multinational corporations can profit. It's not like we are going to get any cheap oil or gas out of the deal...

I guess we should just be happy we still get gas and oil? Is that the logic? Spend hundreds of billions on Afghanistan securing a pipeline but no healthcare for you!

an average patriot said...

Hi Shifter how the hell are you? In the beginning it was about a pipeline. Right now we are protecting China's copper fields and I am afraid when all is said and done, to us and the militants the goal is Pakistan's nukes.Just imagine our problems if they get in the wrong hands.

Holte Ender said...

There are economic rules for entry into the EU community, one of them being you can't run big deficits without cutting spending and keeping inflation under control although the bigger nations have probably broken all those rules just lately. When the German economy was on fire they allowed Turkish guest workers to come in to do the dirty work, it back-fired on them a little bit, re: Hamburg post 9/11. The Swiss have just banned Minarets and the French and British are starting to kick back on Muslim practices another influx of believers into the west is not likely in the near future.

an average patriot said...

Thanks! I noticed that with the minarets. I really do not understand that unless it does have something with the religion in general. I was thinking about what you said about the larger members. The rules are always for "them" not us!

Brother Tim said...

Just an aside, Jim.

One of my customers in Pensacola owned a home in Malatya (Central Turkey). They used to spend about half their time there. I called him about 6 or 7 months ago to check up on the Turkey situation.

He informed me that they had sold their home there because anti-American sentiment was extremely high, and growing.

The Turkish government may be our supposed friend (we're sure paying them enough), but the populace is very unhappy with our arrogant Foreign Policy and treatment of Muslims. Turkey is 90% Muslim.

America is perceived (whether factual or not) as being anti-Islamic. The U.S. government and it's hegemonic, fear-mongering foreign policy has, and continues to, foment this. No one likes people with a holier-than-thou attitude who feel they are ALWAYS right.

The world population now stands at around 6.8 billion, with around 2 billion of that being Muslim. It's the old saw, 'I will fight with my brothers and cousins, but I will stand beside them to fight off the infidels.

Three guesses who the infidels are.

There is only one way to Peace, my friend. Live and let live. Get off their lands, and leave them alone.

You don't win wars without huge sacrifice of lives. Muslims understand this and are willing to make that sacrifice. Americans no longer have the stomach for TRUE war; we are cowards that like to rain death and destruction from 30,000 ft in the air, or from 200 miles out at sea. Or from unmanned drones controlled by someone in Nevada, like some sick video game from hell. You can't have a lasting or sustainable victory like that.

We have over 250,000 people in Afghanistan (counting troops, contractors, mercenaries, and NATO forces), yet can't defeat less than 25,000 fighters wearing robes and sandals, carrying 25-30 yr old Kalishnikovs. What's wrong with that picture, Bud?

And I could go on and on. You know the story. Quit trying to figure out HOW we're gonna win, cause it ain't gonna happen. Do you too, want to see the world end? You need to start blogging about ending all wars, about living in peace. If we have to live with reduced oil, so be it. Americans have always been resourceful and resilient. When the oil is finally shut off, or drastically reduced, you will be astounded at how fast we will replace it with alternative energies.

We are spending trillions on war, while 48 millon Americans are without healthcare. 48 million, Jim, that's more people than the total of Iraq and Afghanistan combined. We're spending money building roads, schools, hospitals, and other infrastructure over there, while our own is in a sorbid state of decay.

an average patriot said...

You know Brother, it is very disheartening knowing we are still living a total lie and Republicans endeavor to make Obama and us fail. I am afraid it is closer to 50 million now and will get worse and the Republican's continue to call it the best system in the world.

It is sick but you know, what we are doing trying to buy Turkey's friendship or cooperation we do around the world. Of course they will take our money and help and just get us behind our backs.

Our interference always hits us in the face but the idiots in charge will never stop. Live and let live has always been the answer but everyone wants to dominate, I just do not get it!