We must cancel the antiquated Electoral College

We must Cancel the antiquated Electoral College Then Politicians must take Blogging 101 to Prove they're doing the Peoples work to get elected!

We discuss the countries problems all day every day not only here but on many Liberal Blogs and on the other side Conservatives do it on their Blogs. However, we need to stop wasting our time and talking the issues amongst ourselves and implement a system in which we are heard. We can do this!

What "We the people" think should be heard and required to be acted on as a prerequisite to being elected or reelected. We have been burned not only by this Republican MIS Administration but by inadequate public representatives from both parties.

"It is time to implement a verifiable Voting System that Represents the people not the Politicians! James Joiner Daily kos 2007

However thinking about it more these solutions are even more basic and comprehensive and voting time is rapidly creeping upon us again as our attention is diverted to the many problems around the world.

The issue of solving our election problems so another election is not stolen and "'We the people" are heard and our thoughts acted on are more important than ever and I have a very viable way to accomplish this but we must get our solutions heard where it matters and have them acted on. Tell me what you think!

First, we must Abolish the antiquated Electoral College. that served the peoples purpose when we could not get ourselves heard in rural America. As we learned with Bush it now represents the interests of the Politicians. We are capable of going to the polls today and speaking for ourselves.

While on the subject of a system working for the Politicians we must also throw out these new electronic voting systems because they can be tampered with casting any vote the tamperer wants and you ca not detect it. Paper trail or not it is worthless because you cannot prove the vote was real.

Technology is not the voters friend! Technology is the Politicians friend! Anyway 2ndly we must as a prerequisite to running pass a requirement that every single politician or perspective Politician must make an enforceable promise to do the work of their constituents and America not their special Interest handlers. While having to take a course about the top Blogs from their party to know what their constituents want and make them responsible for speaking for the people and not them and special interests.

Politicians must prove performance. We have got to hold them accountable. We do not care what Politicians think. They are supposed to care about what we think. They are supposed to represent "we the people" not we the Politicians.

Our Government of the people, for the people, by the people, facilitated by society, has become a Government of the Politician, for the affluent, by the media, facilitated by the so called legal system. This has got to change. We have got to take "our America" back. It is imperative to the countries future and we owe it to our kids.

Just this second I got off the phone with one of my sons that just got back from Afghanistan. Of course the conversation turned to Politics. I explained what I am saying right now and laid the future of his kids and country on his shoulders. He must for his children take an active role in cleaning up this mess. He is still determined to go back to Afghanistan this winter. He is EOD and I don't like it but some of these idiots my son included find some perverse pleasure in this.

I am afraid our misleaders will keep him busier than he wants regardless of who gets elected next. He wants to retire after 20 years and that is 7 years away. I can only pray that he makes it and survives paying off Republican and Democrat trillions in debt put on their shoulders to be paid when he is gone. Boy are our kids getting a screwing!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamaricanpatriot.blogspot.com

I wanted to talk about Bush's failed policy in the middle east and around the world but back to stolen elections! can you count on electronic machines

I will talk about Bush's failed policies tomorrow. They are doing therir job and setting the stage for world war but we are rapidly running out of time to at least get rid of the corruptive electronic voting machines so lets discuss them again! I was stupefied when I posted on the ease elections can be stolen and no verification of what came out was what went in and someone to no surprise decried the findings which were verified and would not identify himself, Hmmm! Stolen elections The names have changed the games the same

I am finding out it is worse than I thought and many states beside California are having them removed, That is fantastic news, With the primaries upon us I hope they move quickly. I will feel a lot better about these elections if they are even held. Anyway you will find this interesting.

Jane Platten gestured, bleary-eyed, into the secure room filled with voting machines. It was 3 a.m. on Nov. 7, and she had been working for 22 hours straight. “I guess we’ve seen how technology can affect an election,” she said. The electronic voting machines in Cleveland were causing trouble again. For a while, it had looked as if things would go smoothly for the Board of Elections office in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. About 200,000 voters had trooped out on the first Tuesday in November for the lightly attended local elections, tapping their choices onto the county’s 5,729 touch-screen voting machines. The elections staff had collected electronic copies of the votes on memory cards and taken them to the main office, where dozens of workers inside a secure, glass-encased room fed them into the “GEMS server,” a gleaming silver Dell desktop computer that tallies the votes.

Then at 10 p.m., the server suddenly froze up and stopped counting votes. Cuyahoga County technicians clustered around the computer, debating what to do. A young, business-suited employee from Diebold — the company that makes the voting machines used in Cuyahoga — peered into the screen and pecked at the keyboard. No one could figure out what was wrong. So, like anyone faced with a misbehaving computer, they simply turned it off and on again. Voilà: It started working — until an hour later, when it crashed a second time. Again, they rebooted. By the wee hours, the server mystery still hadn’t been solved.

Worse was yet to come. When the votes were finally tallied the next day, 10 races were so close that they needed to be recounted. But when Platten went to retrieve paper copies of each vote — generated by the Diebold machines as they worked — she discovered that so many printers had jammed that 20 percent of the machines involved in the recounted races lacked paper copies of some of the votes. They weren’t lost, technically speaking; Platten could hit “print” and a machine would generate a replacement copy. But she had no way of proving that these replacements were, indeed, what the voters had voted. She could only hope the machines had worked correctly.

As the primaries start in New Hampshire this week and roll on through the next few months, the erratic behavior of voting technology will once again find itself under a microscope. In the last three election cycles, touch-screen machines have become one of the most mysterious and divisive elements in modern electoral politics. Introduced after the 2000 hanging-chad debacle, the machines were originally intended to add clarity to election results. But in hundreds of instances, the result has been precisely the opposite: they fail unpredictably, and in extremely strange ways; voters report that their choices “flip” from one candidate to another before their eyes; machines crash or begin to count backward; votes simply vanish. (In the 80-person town of Waldenburg, Ark., touch-screen machines tallied zero votes for one mayoral candidate in 2006 — even though he’s pretty sure he voted for himself.) Most famously, in the November 2006 Congressional election in Sarasota, Fla., touch-screen machines recorded an 18,000-person “under vote” for a race decided by fewer than 400 votes.

The earliest critiques of digital voting booths came from the fringe — disgruntled citizens and scared-senseless computer geeks — but the fears have now risen to the highest levels of government. One by one, states are renouncing the use of touch-screen voting machines. California and Florida decided to get rid of their electronic voting machines last spring, and last month, Colorado decertified about half of its touch-screen devices. Also last month, Jennifer Brunner, the Ohio secretary of state, released a report in the wake of the Cuyahoga crashes arguing that touch-screens “may jeopardize the integrity of the voting process.” She was so worried she is now forcing Cuyahoga to scrap its touch-screen machines and go back to paper-based voting — before the Ohio primary, scheduled for March 4. Senator Bill Nelson, a Democrat of Florida, and Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island, have even sponsored a bill that would ban the use of touch-screen machines across the country by 2012. Can you count on these machines

2012 what about this year? We can not afford to let this happen again! There is no way to verify what comes out is what comes in and it has been proven beyond doubt that the machines change votes. We can't have another stolen election if we have one!

James Joiner
Gardner Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

California proves It is time to implement a Verifiable Voting System, electronic voting machines manipulated, unverifiable!

California proves It is time to implement a Verifiable Voting System, electronic voting machines manipulated and unverifiable!
I understand getting caught up in the all day long underhanded corruption By Bush and his MIS Administration. I kept looking at the unbelievable dose of today's stories and realized I better talk about California's findings because I don't see it getting much coverage and we cannot allow this to happen again.
As we are heading towards the 2008 elections I am reminded that the problems we experienced the last two times still persist. until California I have not heard anything done to resolve them. We cannot wait until we are in the middle of an election once again before this becomes an issue again. It seems as the usual out of sight out of sound is applying once again. As I watch and listen to the nightmare Bush I am increasingly concerned that a nightmare like him could happen again. I keep hearing that the powers behind who really gets elected and the agenda that is actually followed will ensure that a President is elected that will continue Bush's stridence towards so called new world order.
There are those in both party's that allow abuse of our election process for many reasons. First, many people are still lazy and think in the end their elected officials will do the right thing for them. That will never happen and they will continue to do the right thing for themselves. People fall for the line that we must move our election system into the 21st century and that is why we must go electronic. California proved what we know and that is that those machines guarantee a given election outcome and we must get them outlawed and quickly. Again we are running out of time.
Our voting system should be updated but not influenced by the 21st century of political lies we are surrounded by! It should start with an Abolishing of the outdated electoral system that wrongly let Bush in as President in the first place. The Electoral College no longer serves the "peoples" purpose. It was needed when America was so Rural people could not be made aware or get their opinions to the polls so we needed someone to represent us.
That is no longer necessary! We are capable of getting to the polls and representing ourselves. Doing away with the Electoral College would eliminate what got the slime Bush into office in the first place. That is only one problem! Also, we know these electronic voting machines can be manipulated. Sadly, you know they will be in order to benefit one special interest or the other.
It is a sad situation as we are constantly lied to and manipulated for political gain. In order to have a paper trail and verification to move forward sometimes you have to move back to what worked in the past. We must go back to the paper and pencil system that can be verified individually. Until we do that and do it universally there is too much room for selfish exploitation.
We do have a grassroots movement in order to get rid of the electoral College. We must also take the courts out of our Election process, give the process too the people who it is supposed to represent, and return to a verifiable paper process, so the entire process can be monitored and truly representative of the people and their desires.
This will not happen as long as we leave it up to the Politicians. They will try to manipulate the process in their Political favor as seems to be the prevailing thought process today. That is the case in every instance in today's Political environment and is the primary reason for the majority of the countries problems today. How can "We the People" get involved and ensure that a voting system representative of the people not special interests is in place for 2008. We cannot wait until the last minute when we have another crisis and I am afraid we are.
First I am reminded of an old saying that "As California goes so goes the Nation" That should certainly apply in this case. In California Three of California's electronic voting systems can be easily hacked into, potentially compromising millions of votes, according to a detailed review announced Friday.
I have to be suspicious as to why but Makers of Los Angeles County's InkaVote system did not submit its equipment in time, so it wasn't included. The three systems evaluated, used by more than two-thirds of California's counties, also had problems with accessibility requirements for disabled and non-English-speaking voters. The findings of what some believe to be one of the most comprehensive electronic voting studies to date come as California registrars rush to prepare for the state's presidential primary election Feb. 5.
Over two months, dozens of experts in information technology organized by the University of California tested machines made by Diebold Election Systems, Hart InterCivic and Sequoia Voting Systems. The analysts tried to infiltrate the three systems physically and electronically, without the safeguards that voting machine vendors or counties might use. "Under these conditions, the technology and security of all three systems could be compromised," the review said.
For example: Testers accessed the insides of Sequoia machines by prying open seals or unscrewing external screws to bypass locks. The experts connected to secure data in a Diebold machine by hacking into its Windows operating system. Testers "were able to bypass both physical and software security in every system they tested." "The severity of what it means, whether counties have adapted [security] procedures already ... is something we have to analyze," she said.
http://www.latimes.com/technology/la-me-vote28jul28,1,6799644.story?coll=la-headlines-technology&ctrack=2&cset=true
Our very existence as a democracy is dependent on our having voting systems that are secure, reliable and accurate, and we have found that out the hard way. This is one State people! I am sure this is repeated around the country. Officials who did this study of course disagree as to the findings and are not sure their is a smoking gun.
I do not have any doubts. There is a smoking gun and it is in the form of an electronic voting machines. We must outlaw them. We must get rid of them before the next election or we will have serious trouble. We cannot afford another Bush or false elections.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

We must cancel the antiquated Electoral College and Politicians must take Blogging 101 to....

                                                 

We must Cancel the antiquated Electoral College Then Politicians must take Blogging 101 to Prove they're doing the Peoples work to get elected!

We discuss the countries problems all day every day not only here but on many Liberal Blogs and on the other side Conservatives do it on their Blogs. However, we need to stop wasting our time and talking the issues amongst ourselves and implement a system in which we are heard. We can do this! What "We the people" think should be heard and required to be acted on as a prerequisite to being elected or reelected. We have been burned not only by this Republican MIS Administration but by inadequate public representatives from both parties.

Last week Clammyc brought the election problems to light once again and I last did it on May 2nd myself with a diary titled "It is time to implement a verifiable Voting System that Represents the people not the Politicians! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/2/152545/6437

It covers many important issues as does Clammy's but we must get them addressed before this bites us again and another election is stolen by Republicans. However thinking about it more these solutions are even more basic and comprehensive and voting time is rapidly creeping upon us again as our attention is diverted to the many problems around the world. The issue of solving our election problems so another election is not stolen and "'We the people" are heard and our thoughts acted on are more important than ever and I have a very viable way to accomplish this but we must get our solutions heard where it matters and have them acted on. Tell me what you think!

First, we must Abolish the antiquated Electoral College. that served the peoples purpose when we could not get ourselves heard in rural America. As we learned with Bush it now represents the interests of the Politicians. We are capable of going to the polls today and speaking for ourselves. While on the subject of a system working for the Politicians we must also throw out these new electronic voting systems because they can be tampered with casting any vote the tamperer wants and you ca not detect it. Paper trail or not it is worthless because you cannot prove the vote was real.

Technology is not the voters friend! Technology is the Politicians friend! Anyway 2ndly we must as a prerequisite to running pass a requirement that every single politician or perspective Politician must make an enforceable promise to do the work of their constituents and America not their special Interest handlers. While having to take a course about the top Blogs from their party to know what their constituents want and make them responsible for speaking for the people and not them and special interests.

Politicians must prove performance. We have got to hod them accountable. We do not care what Politicians think. They are supposed to care about what we think. They are supposed to represent "we the people" not we the Politicians.

Our Government of the people, for the people, by the people, facilitated by society, has become a Government of the Politician, for the affluent, by the media, facilitated by the so called legal system. This has got to change. We have got to take "our America" back. It is imperative to the countries future and we owe it to our kids.

Just this second I got off the phone with one of my sons that just got back from Afghanistan. Of course the conversation turned to Politics. I explained what I am saying right now and laid the future of his kids and country on his shoulders. He must for his children take an active role in cleaning up this mess. He is still determined to go to Iraq next year. He is EOD and I don't like it but some of these idiots my 3 son's included find some perverse pleasure in this.

I am afraid Bush will keep him busier than he wants regardless of who gets elected next. He wants to retire after 20 years and that is 10 years away. I can only pray that he makes it and survives paying off Bush's trillions in debt he put on their shoulders to be paid when he is gone. Boy are our kids getting a screwing!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaveragepatriot.blogspot.com