US Troops to Return to Iraq: U.S. and Iraqi leaders signaled Wednesday that the two governments are working toward an agreement to return some American forces to Iraq after completion of next month's troop withdrawal to help train Iraqi units and maintain security gains.Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said there is "no doubt the U.S. forces have a role in providing training of Iraqi forces." Vice President Joe Biden, who arrived in Baghdad on Tuesday night to meet with Iraqi leaders and salute American troops as the war winds to a formal close, said the U.S. will provide security assistance to the Iraqis at Baghdad's request.
Messrs. Biden and Maliki said U.S. and Iraqi officials agreed to form a committee to address defense and security cooperation between the two countries. Those issues have been the main point of contention between Washington and Baghdad as the year-end deadline for U.S. troop withdrawal neared. Mr. Biden told Iraqi leaders that while the post-war phase of U.S.-Iraqi relations will hopefully be defined by typical diplomatic and economic exchanges, "that partnership includes a robust security relationship based on what you decide—what you decide—you think that relationship should be." Big mistake!
The desire for a continued American presence as a counterweight to Iran is shared privately by some Iraqi lawmakers and Al-Maliki may be able to persuade the government to accept American “instructors” on Iraqi soil.
I was hoping we weren't this stupid but Custer's last stand redux is setting up in Iraq despite all warnings. Same thing in Afghanistan. What the hell is wrong with us? . Here we come "Custer's last stand"
If we do stay we have long been warned and I smell a set up by the Iran leaning Shiite Government. This is a microcosm of the Custer's last stand if we stay in Iraq beyond this year that I have been warning about for years now.
What a surprise the Iranian-backed group Kataib Hezbollah that took credit for the recent killing of our 5 soldiers is one of three main Shiite militias operating in Iraq. Another as you know is Muqtqda Al Sadr's Mehdi army also backed by Iran, all are staunchly against the American military presence in Iraq and have vowed to oppose any move for U.S. troops to stay past their expected Dec. 31 departure date. What are we frigging stupid?
Iraq's fiery anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr will "escalate military resistance" and unleash his Mehdi Army militia if U.S. troops fail to leave Iraq as scheduled this year . These are not Idle threats! What are we frigging stupid or just asking for it? Are we just looking for endless war to further enrich the wealthy, the arms industry, and those bilking us for multiple millions?
If we don't leave Iraq in 2011 it will be Custer's last stand on a grand scale period: I hate to say it but that appears to be our goal, perpetual war wherever we can find it.
If you have been following my line of thought on this illegal war in Iraq you know civil war was guaranteed from day one when Bush ignored the warning and why. Many of you will agree it is coming soon and it is inevitable. The Kurd's want us there to protect their free Kurdistan which will be over when we are gone.
The Sunni want us to stay in order to protect them from Shiite violence they feel is backed by Iran. Incidentally you can bet if not now Saudi Arabia will be helping the Sunni. Well what a surprise huh?
Meanwhile right from day one of his return Muqtada Al-sadr told his people to fight the American's any way they can till we leave in 2011. I don't think that will be the result of it but knowing the army is largely Shiite I have to believe the two soldiers were doing his bidding and my worst fears about Iraq and the middle east are coming true.
I have to reiterate something I have said too many times since Bush chose to ignore all warnings of total civil war spreading throughout the entire Middle East so he could attack Iraq and straighten out the Middle East as God spoke to him and instructed him to. You know I firmly believe and have said so a million times by now that since 9/11 everything was construed to allow Bush to gain the power he needed to prosecute his new order not just in the Middle East but on the entire world! He diverted from Afghanistan to get back into the Middle East with the goal of setting up a larger safety zone for Israel and going after Iran.
Bush has created a hell on earth for Iraq that he calls liberty and success with promises to spread it throughout the entire Middle East. He has long wanted a Korea style force in Iraq to secure the peace! We were concerned because we knew that would never work in Iraq or the Middle East! Planting our military in the middle of the mess Bush has created out of the Middle East because of his failed Democratization program would be a Custer's Last Stand on a grand scale!
I still see a total civil war Sunni against Shiite erupting in the Middle East because Bush freed up Iran to instigate it on their end and they are. I still am concerned we will have a permanent presence in the Middle East but feel we will have to largely leave Iraq to her own demise. We will still be there but it looks like Yemen, and the Gulf of Aden will be the prime focus unless Iran gets something going between the US and Iran.
As you know, I talk about it often as I watch Bush's new Middle East (dis)order progress. He ignored Afghanistan so he could use the patriot acts powers to divert from Afghanistan to attack Iraq using the excuse of unseating Saddam so he could get in the Middle East to help Israel establish a buffer zone and establish a new middle east (dis) order or so Israel and Cheney thought. Bush at Cheney's urging made an abrupt shift in policy towards Syria, a shift that has now brought the entire Mideast region to the brink of war and chaos. Much worse than the hell on earth they created for Iraq. Did you ever read A clean Break a 2003 Executive intelligence Review that tells the truth as to Cheney's diabolical plans
That plan was put together in 1996 for Israel. They were just waiting for an idiot to come along so they could implement their plan for the Middle East. Along came the life long follower and life long alcoholic loser Georgie Bush. I wish I could say the rest is History but this is still barely beginning and just beginning to take shape. All Bush did by ignoring Afghanistan and attacking Iraq was to guarantee a loss of everything and a complete Middle East and Asian Breakdown.
He freed Iran up to pursue her version of new middle East order by interfering wherever she could while Bush was doing the same thing with his Middle East Democratization program. I think you can see how successful Bush and Cheney were with chaos creating Middle East Democracy program but you are barely seeing the results they created in Iran.
The goal absolutely is to be the country who decides which direction the new Middle East (dis)order will take. Bush started it by attacking Iraq to get into the middle east to destabilize it and start the new middle east order the idiot said God told him to do now it will be up to Iran and Saudi Arabia at least up front fight it out whether this goes the Iranian Shiite way or the Saudi Arabian Sunni way and do not forget Israel!
You know I firmly believe and have said so a million times by now that since 9/11 everything was construed to allow Bush to gain the power he needed to prosecute his new order not just in the Middle East but on the entire world! He diverted from Afghanistan to get back into the Middle East with the goal of setting up a larger safety zone for Israel and going after Iran. Both will fail! It has long been my contention that coming to Israel's aid once they attack Iran will be our in to Iran!
What about the Kurds who want their autonomy and they do not want to share their oil fields period. Nuri Al-Maliki wants that issue resolved and it will never be. The entire middle east and north Africa and our more than century of interference and exploitation can take the blame for that too.
Bush has created a hell on earth for Iraq that he still calls liberty and success with promises to spread it throughout the entire Middle East Sunni against Shiite. Bush had long wanted a Korea style force in Iraq to secure the peace! That will never work in Iraq or the Middle East! Planting our military in the middle of the mess Bush has created out of the Middle East because of his failed Democratization program is going to be a Custer's Last Stand on a grand scale if we are still there when this breaks open! Looking at the war cabinet Obama has amassed I am going to say at this point that this is going to happen even under a President Obama. Watch out Iran, watch out US, watch out world!!
James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com
6 comments:
You know where I'm at here Jim. Bottom line the powerful are eventually going to do whatever they want and that sucks.
What do you think about the drone. Our arch enemy was able to take control and land this thing. I find this so dramatic and it seems no one talks about that. What else can they do?
Good grief! We've spent tens year in Iraq you'd think they'd be trained better than our special forces.
One senator just said we spent $10 million dollars to build 2 miles of road that never got built. They stopped at 3/4 mile and the Iraqi contractor made off with the loot. When are we going to wake up and get the hell out of there? They don't want us to leave because they and the likes of Haliburton are robbing us blind. Same with Afghanistan and Pakistan who gobble our tax dollars.
I'll have to check out One Flys' comment about the drone. I didn't hear about that although I knew the Taliban could intercept the video from one of those things.
Glad I came across this site. Have no idea how. Speaking of Iran having our drone...remember when China got our spy plane in 2001? Yeah, no one does. Maybe we shouldn't be flying in their airspace.
Howdy Jim ... Thanx for the read and link's, the title is what caught my atencion, and I havent heard any of this yet ... tell me Jim ... Why aint I suprised? Kind of like Demeur said ... what the fuck have they learned in the last decade. Basically these withdrawal's and shit are nothing but political show's it appear's. No ... I didnt do any posting's on the withdrawal announcement for that reason ... as I wrote in earlier posting ... How do you withdraw when you have so much vested there?
I'm sure ya'll remember the $12 billion that was sent in shrinkwrapped U.S. currency to Iraq early in the war, because bank's were inoperable ... every dime of it ended up missing and unaccounted for, till this day as far as I know ... that cause it got boosted(stolen) ... yet just prior to it ... one million American's asked for a $5 billion unemployent extension as we were loosing hundred's of thousand's of job's simutaneously ... the Bush administration denied/ vetoed the unemployment's $5 billion, two month's later turned around and asked Congress or whoever for $185 billion for Iraq ... and still had our troop's in inefficiently amoured HumVee's. As far as I'm concerned ... too many politician's in this country need to be not only ousted, but brought to trial.
I'll shut up
And they did land the sonofabitch just like I said!
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