Thursday, October 11, 2012

Netanyahu draws red line for Iran nuclear development: That means war!

Does Ahmadinejad want war so he can stay in power?

Netanyahu draws red line for Iran nuclear development: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Thursday that the only way to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons was to draw a "clear red line" which should not to be crossed by Tehran. "There is only one way to peacefully prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear bombs, it is to set a clear red line to Iran's nuclear weapons program," he told the General Assembly of the UN. "The red lines do not lead to war. Red lines prevent war," he added. 

To illustrate, the head of the Israeli government has raised the drawing of a bomb ready to explode on which he drew a red line just below the "final stage". "A red line should be drawn here just before Iran completes the second phase of its nuclear enrichment needed for a bomb. Iran in only few months or weeks has amassed enough enriched uranium to make a nuclear weapon," said Netanyahu.

 Red lines do lead to war in this case and Netanyahu knows it. Iran is not going to stop pursuing what it calls is a God given right. That means war!

Iran vs. Israel: Death or destruction? Destruction period!

Iran vs. Israel: Can Israel and Iran be expected to work toward collective security measures, or are they unable to overcome their deeply engrained theocratic rivalry? By Laurelle Atkinson. Yeah let Iran wipe Israel off the map period end of discussion as far as Iran is concerned!

I reiterate there will never be peace in the Middle East, period! Only the UN wants it, Israel wants it her way and Iran/Syria want Israel obliterated, period. Israel and Iran have long been in preparation for this confrontation. As you know, when asked by a journalist how he felt upon returning to Iran in 1979 after 15 years in exile. Khomeini’s curt, one-word reply was “nothing” Whoa! From day one of his return to Iran Khomeini expressed no love for Iran only a love of the atom bomb. The drive even then was to possess a nuclear weapon though that desire is still denied until Iran can get their hands on one.

I have tried to give Iran the benefit of the doubt when they say their nuclear desires are peaceful knowing they could use nuclear power as an energy source for their growing population. I have always asserted that perceived need could be cover for the real goal of developing a nuclear weapon.

The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.[1] The support, encouragement and participation of the United States and Western European governments in Iran's nuclear program continued until the 1979 Islamic revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran. We are so concerned about Pakistan and Iran today in regard to nuclear abilities and nuclear weapons and security. I was blown away to find out that we built the first nuclear Reactors in both Iran and Pakistan. Nuclear program of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia atoms for peace

I would have to assume this was after we overthrew the democratically elected President of Iran Mohammad Mosaddeq to install our ruthless puppet the Shah of Iran. We built and supplied Iran's first reactor because we thought we were in control. What the hell is wrong with us? That makes us personally responsible for the 1979 Revolution in Iran, the capture of our hostages, the disaster in the desert after a failed attempt to rescue them, the rise of the Revolutionary Guard, the protesters dilemma, the nuclear issue in Iran today, everything!

You know, I have long said that Iran’s civilian nuclear program is a cover for their nuclear weapons program. Now I see that Arab leaders feel the same way. They fear a nuclear arms race and I can only conclude that knowing how far along Iran is and how they feel that they are hedging their bets and it is already under way clandestinely.

On the other side there is Israel! I realized a long time ago that Israel is the world's chief war monger and we seem to do their bidding and fighting. If they get into a war with Iran we will end up coming to their rescue regardless of what they do or what Hillary says and that is sad! We should in fact take care of Jewish American's and American's and our interests in Israel and otherwise tell them in no uncertain terms they are on their own if they continue to instigate war not peace and expecting us to come to their rescue.

There is a US law that prohibits the support of countries that break the treaty in question. Vanunu's information led foreign experts to conclude that Israel had produced fissile material for as many as 200 atomic warheads thus warning other Nation's of Israel's military might. It was okay for Israel why the hypocrisy? Remember Mordechai Vanunu whistle blower of Israel's clandestine nuclear program? Uzi Eilam former head of Israel's Atomic Energy Commission said Mordechai Vanunu did Israel a favor after revealing information about an illegal nuclear program at Israel's Dimona reactor. His information proved that Israel had broken the 1968 treaty on nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation.

There is a US law that prohibits the support of countries that break the treaty in question. Vanunu's information led foreign experts to conclude that Israel had produced fissile material for as many as 200 atomic warheads thus warning other Nation's of Israel's military might. It was okay for Israel why the hypocrisy? Remember this discussion? The US will pay the price for Israel and US nuclear lies and hypocrisy after Israel attacks!

I must admit Israel's hypocrisy and lies are a plan I have discussed often and I have to disagree with Eliam's final assertion. He says an attack on Iran's nuclear program would be counter productive. I beg to differ! The General hit the nail on the head though and does not know it. I have long asserted that Israel would attack Iran's nuclear interests and we would come to her rescue.

That is a fact that is why I find his final statement troubling and prophetic. He correctly said One strike is not practical. In order to delay the Iranian program for three to four years one needs an armada of aircraft, which only a super-power can provide. Only America can do it. Bingo! You know from numerous discussions here that Iran is involved in every Middle Eastern country not just Yemen, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia where they have corrupted elections for Shiite interests in Iraq, backing rebels in Yemen, and instigating attacks on Saudi oil fields. Bush freed Iran to instigate far and wide and they are.

Israel is not going to back down. When all is said and done they know the US will be there for them. It is time for Iran to put up or shut up! I am sure the US plans to come to Israel's rescue and do it largely from the Gulf with numerous carrier fighter groups and they are finished with their 30000 pound bunker buster behemoth to take out underground facilities. Both sides are locked and loaded and Syria is happening at the same time. That is no accident, all we can hope for at this time is to minimize these disasters as much as possible and keep them from turning into WW3.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma


Ranch Chimp said...

Mornin Jim and Thanx for the read, this is really kind of interesting to me as to what come's of this, and I heard about this "red line" stuff already, I think last week(?), so of course I seen the "woof ticket" push from "Nuttin- YaHoo" (I love that name : ) But I wasnt even aware of how far back this nuke or atomic energies goes back in Iran, I remember in the mid- 70's when staying in San Antonio ... friday/ saturday night's were saturated in downtown with Iranian military who were staying there being treained for Air Force (many actually well known locally for picking up tranvestite hooker's down on N. St. Marys St. ho- stroh ... dont ask me to explain it, it beat's the Hell outta me Jim : ) ... we had our nose in everyone's business over there for year's man ... but the US actually being behind some of Iran's shit way back in the 50's I didnt know about, but it wouldnt suprise me, politic's and such are WAY ahead of the people, heh, heh, heh, heh, heh ... our miseries is pre- paid and planned you can say ... heh, heh, heh, heh, heh : ) My wife and brother- in- law, and sister- in- law were all living in Tehran when the revolution went down back in the late 70's, so they told me the stories year's back first hand.

As far as can there ever be peace Jim? ... I alwayz think peace is possible ... however, how can you have peace if it is not in folk's heart's that lead or even the people? ... surely we dont think we can "dictate" peace eh? ... that is against human nature and natural order, heh, heh, heh, heh, heh ... any more than we can go into the jungle's and have animal's love each other ... heh, heh, heh, heh, heh ... only the human brain is so contaminated/ neurotic with such nonsense : ) In some cases Jim ... I feel an all out war is necessary ... just to clear the air at time's ... and my heart goes out to the people on both side's who have to suffer for the action's of the top few as well, I myself have a close contact in Israel (we send alot of music, video's, and alternative literature and art back and forth via mail) yet we never even discuss politic's or any of this, Israel has such a great alternative music scene as well BTW, I get alot of really cool stuff from there, and some really hot babe's too : )

I know it's too late now, but again Jim ... I frankly never would have even reinstated the State of Israel after WW2, any more than would I put some French Poodles in the same pen with a bunch of Pit- Bull's ... heh, heh, heh, heh, heh : ), especially with a bunch of uncivilized f'n raghead's (forgive me, but I reserve calling some of them raghead's, because they loosely call out women whore's and slut's, so I will continiue to call them such : ) ... in fact I just finished a posting on this forced (whether it's UN forced or corporate forced) multi- culturalism in the middle east period ... I'm against it ... and was told I am a segregationist as well by definition locally, but that's just me Jim and my bloody opinion. And like you said, Israel and Iran leader's both want a pass to go at it ... heh, heh, heh, heh, heh ... if anything Jim ... otta be a good un though if a war does break out, eh? : )

One thing I do know Jim ... if any of these on either side EVER threatened or drew first blood on us with these weapon's of intercontinental capabilities ... rest assured I would nuke their ass in a New York minute ... regargless of Exxon/ Mobil's opinion or even the UN : ) Being fiscally conservative, I would do that before any troop's on the ground to save our troop's lives, especially having to engage with a bunch of f'n animal's ... my objective is only to eliminate the threat in the MOST economical way in other word's. Other than that as far as Israel and Iran ... heh, heh, heh, heh, heh ... go ahead at it, ya'll have fun : )

I'll shut the Hell up now Jim ....

Demeur said...

First off nobody's going to nuke anybody. The first one that does would start a nuclear war. And everyone knows the outcome to that. What people seem to forget is that the bombs we have now are 100 times more powerful than the ones we dropped on Japan. To set off just two dozen of them would make this planet uninhabitable. That was one of the reasons for the S.A.L.T. agreements.
I know an attack on Iran is not going to happen any time soon at least not by us. We're too bogged down in Afghanistan at the moment and it takes months to gather an offensive. Also need to remember Iran has the largest military in the middle east. To attack Iran would raise the ire of the entire arab world as well as throw the oil markets into turmoil.

an average patriot said...

Yeah Tom you see it. An all out war is coming period despite the rhetoric that no one wants it.

WW3 is coming and it will be a lot worse and more wide spread than ww2. Wars get worse they don't get better or easier.

Our weapons are too powerful today to fully unleash them on the planet. All sides involved have promised no nukes will be used.

You have to believe they will not.I think they will stay with conventional weapons because everyone thinks their side will win it and they all want to be able to use thee area and capture the resources.

No side will like the results of this and remember North Korea and China sea tensions.

To me the bull in the China shop is Iran. If they get nukes I do believe they will use them.

I really don't know their attitude towards the end of days but personally it all scares me because non of the idiots will use common sense or restraint.

an average patriot said...

Demeur this mirrors what I just said to Tom. Everybody involved has said they will stay conventional and I believe that.

Just hear that said tells me this will get a lot wider as it is. I still hope we are smart enough to keep it from evolving into WW3 but I wouldn't count on it.

Both Chavez and Putin wanted to be in control when Bush was President cause they knew it was coming. Well now they are back and they are bothy itching for it. Still we hope!

Demeur said...

We know Putin is after one thing and one thing only and that's the gas fields of Syria. He also knows that Iran would benefit in the process.

However as Joe Biden pointed out in the debate Iran is in a very tight box at the moment with the sanctions. They can't sell much of their oil because nobody will insure their tankers and they don't have their own refineries. That should slow their military ambitions down quite a bit.