The Idiocy and Audacity that anyone thinks they can stop Bush's middle east Breakdown!

Okay, so the Iraqi study Group has branded Bush's policies the failure that it has always been, was destined to be, and their proposals are worthless! The troop pullout will not happen, Bush will continue to waste American lives for his lost cause, and the use of advisors we have been saying, should have been done long ago If we were to learn anything from Vietnam. In Nam We went in as advisors first, sent in combat regulars, and then got thrown out.
We should be doing just the opposite now. We went in hard, and should already have turned most forces over to advisory roles and started withdrawing. However, it no longer matters. no one can stop the Iraqi middle east breakdown that Bush guaranteed when he attacked Iraq.
There will be no bipartisan Diplomacy from us or more importantly from the Shiite's and Sunni. They don't want it. They want their own sect to have their way and that's it. That's the way it has always been and Bush isn't going to change that but rather reinforce it.

The experts keep saying Bush must listen unless he wants to pay politically. He could care less. He isn't running any more. If he had any intention of listening to them he wouldn't have assigned his own group to tell him what he wanted.
Regardless, no one can stop what Bush started when he diverted from the so called war on terror to attack Iraq to start to implement his new middle east order.
Failure was a given from the start and no one can stop this breakdown now. This is still just getting started and will get a hell of a lot worse and spread throughout the entire middle east. Then it gets worse!
Bush will also go against his own party then he can say to Iraq I told you I wouldn't abandon you and I didn't. After we leave he will also stupidly insist that if we had stayed we would have won but no way in hell!
He had a plan from the beginning and no one is going to alter its end now!
From 9/11 he has been following a plan. Fighting terrorism was not it. It was just the reason he needed to attack Iraq and start to implement his new middle east and world order.
As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do and it wasn't fighting terrorism as he wanted you to think. 9/11 gave him that something. He has been lying and misleading right from the beginning.
He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new middle east order.
He used the excuse of 9/11 to attack Iraq and unsettle the middle east guaranteeing the loss of Afghanistan, Iraq, and the entire middle east. If fighting terrorism was his goal he would have stayed in Afghanistan or gone after Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. He lied to our troops and us from the beginning. Nothing and no one can stop this now. It is beyond anyone's control and it will get a lot worse. He did this so he could further his idea of a new middle east order. Of course lying all the while and whipping up as much support and frenzy as he could in the media and minds he controls until he can fully implement his plans. However they were doomed to fail from conception!
At this point it behooves him to continue to ignore reality and continue to whip up a frenzy so he can continue staying the course in order to further prosecute his new middle east order. However it has already failed and no one can turn it around.
We are all shamelessly being used so Bush can follow his plan for new order and he will not be denied. I wrote this 3 years ago but it is more obvious today. Let me know what you think? I won't get any deeper but it gets worse from here.
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James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Bush works for God! Iraq study Group,Gates Kofi, No one on earth matters to him....

He thinks he is doing Gods work in the middle east and nothing will make him change the course of new middle east order he thinks God wants him to create but it will fail!
First I have to say NATO did not choose to fail in Afghanistan as this story says.
http://www.time.com/...
Bush did because he stupidly diverted soldiers and equipment needed there to fight a lost cause in Iraq.
Secondly The Senate Armed Services Committee unanimously approved President Bush's defense secretary nomination Tuesday and sent it to the full Senate for approval, the committee's outgoing chairman said. It is worth nothing!

Robert Gates testified before the committee for hours Tuesday, telling members that the United States was not winning the war in Iraq, and that the U.S. course there "over the next year or two" would shape the entire Middle East.
At his Senate confirmation hearing, Robert Gates gave no timeline for ending the conflict in Iraq, but he repeatedly referenced "the next year or two" when discussing U.S. options in the war-torn nation.

Our course over the next year or two will determine whether the American and Iraqi people and the next president of the United States will face a slowly but steadily improving situation in Iraq and in the region or will face the very real risk and possible reality of a regional conflagration," he said Developments in Iraq during that time will "greatly influence global geopolitics for many years to come," he said. http://www.cnn.com/...

No shit! I have posted so many times on the fact that Bush guaranteed the loss of Afghanistan, Iraq, and the entire middle east when he diverted from the so called war on terror in Afghanistan and attacked Iraq not to fight terror but to create terror in order to destabilize the middle east and set up his and Israel's version of a new middle east order that will fail as this is still just getting started and will get a lot worse as this conflagration continues to rage on unabated. Nothing anyone says here or anywhere can stop this now!

I am struck by 2 things Gates said! Most striking is that he is of the mistaken misnomer that regional conflagration can be prevented or controlled. It can not! It is underway, out of control, and will rage on as I said, unabated.
What hit me the hardest is the fact that regardless of the facade of change and cooperation Bush is again putting forth. He plans on staying the course killing our soldiers needlessly in his failed endeavor and leave it for the next "Democratic" President to take the hit for and clean up his mess.what is going to happen in the middle east can no longer be stopped or changed by external intervention. Why can't they wake up to that?

In closing, I heard this morning that Gates said we are not winning in Iraq then after confirmation was announced he said we are not losing either. Standard doublespeak! I heard a Woman say the right thing this morning! Her son was killed in Iraq in 04. When asked what she thought about Bush taking the Iraq study Groups recommendations into account.

She said he would before he ignored it and do what he wants because he is the only one that matters or knows anything. As you know, I have to agree but just add that that is because God told him to do it as you may remember!

James joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Kofi speaks the truth, Iraq is in terrible civil war as Study Group finds middle east too complex...

Another truth heard from one who has given their notice as Bush of course will ignore what he and the Study group says. Kofi speaks the truth, Iraq is in terrible civil war as Study Group finds middle east too complex for America! That was a given before reality was ignored!
Iraq's leader criticized U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan on Monday for saying that Iraq is suffering a civil war that is even deadlier than the one that decimated Lebanon in 1975-1990.
"Describing what is taking place in Iraq as a civil war beautifies the former regime which is known for its crimes against humanity," Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's office said, referring to the rule of Saddam Hussein. call a spade a spade. What the hell can you say? It's true!
Annan said: "Given the level of violence, the level of killing and bitterness and the way that forces are arranged against each other, a few years ago, when we had the strife in Lebanon and other places, we called that a civil war; this is much worse. Hell, It is only acceptable because Bush caused this mess!

Annan also said many Iraqis believe life is even worse now than it was under Saddam, who was sentenced to death last month by an Iraqi court after he was convicted of crimes against humanity. Wait till they hang him it will get worse!
He said If he were an average Iraqi he would make the same comparison. They had a dictator who was brutal but they had their streets, they could go out, their kids could go to school and come back home without a mother or father worrying, 'Am I going to see my child again? i don't think I am the only one who agrees with that!
Maliki's office also rejected Annan's recent call for an international conference on Iraq, saying it would "rob the Iraqi people of their will and achievements that brought democracy, a national unity government and an elected parliament.what are they talking about? What achievments, the murder and chaos?
President Jalal Talabani and senior Shiite leader Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim also have rejected such a meeting, arguing that Iraqis and their government should be left alone to solve their own problems.You really have to question what their real goal is!
http://www.iht.com/...
We see the results of them solving their own problems. Kofi is right! The Iraq civil war is a fiasco worse than Lebanon's civil war. However tell anyone going through a civil war that one is worse than the other and you will hear that mutual murder and terror is horror regardless of where it is and that is true. But I don't believe Iran and Syria will have the best of a unified Iraq in mind. At least not as Bush might hope or the Iraq study group suggests.

The recommendation of the Iraq Study Group to engage Iran and Syria in Iraq to provide the US exit strategy is called far the most intelligent idea that has come from Washington for some time. I think it will be the next big mistake.

The United States is grudgingly admitting that Iran, Syria and other regional powers have a stake in Iraq's stability, and even its prosperity.Bush is getting desperate. He is beginning to realize he bit off more than he can chew but he will blame this on everyone else.

They think this offers a common ground for collaboration and co-ordination. Engaging Tehran and Damascus in a regional effort to bring Iraq back from the abyss may be unpalatable for the neo-conservatives, but it is the only way to ensure US measures in Iraq will enjoy wide acceptance in the region. It might but U.S. departure will be demanded.

The argument against this high-level engagement is centered on the threat that Iran and Syria pose to US interests but I think they will give Bush his out then they will have their way!

The irony of the situation is that US interests are better served by engaging "rogue" states than by isolating them .While we're at it why don't we engage the Taliban as suggested? why don't we throw the towel in altogether and deal with Al Qaeda?.

To Them the obvious results of engagement are a stable region and an uninterrupted flow of oil to the global economy. It is in the interests of the US, not to mention its allies, to reverse the steady rise of oil prices. A reversal of policy in relation to Iran and Syria will go a long way to achieving that so they think.But it will not unless Bush continues to give them their way! Remember the nuclear ambitions.

The conventional response in Washington to the prospects of restoring relations with Tehran and Damascus has been a knee-jerk rejection, pointing to the authoritarian and undemocratic nature of these states.You have to believe that this will only be emboldened and continue unabated.

The notion of "promoting democracy" has been an enduring mantra in US policy towards the Middle East. This has often been cited as the obvious barrier to normalization of relations with Iran and Syria. It is causing a middle east breakdown that will not be stopped regardless of what is done or done at this point. It is too little too late!

Promoting democracy might sound good to the Western media, but the reality of US policy has given democracy a bad name in the Middle East. If a democratic Middle East is in the interests of the US, Washington's policies towards the region have damaged them. I am afraid not as much damage as Bush's performance here has done.

Washington's perspective suffers from tunnel vision. It fails to see the links that bind Middle East issues into a tight network of interests, expectations and reciprocity.

Washington has so far chosen to deal with each issue in isolation, none satisfactorily. The failure to appreciate the importance of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute for the whole region, for example, is an area that needs urgent redress. I just think that is an issue the so called Islamists as a whole use and will continue to use it to get what they want and I do not see Bush changing for anything.

Tony Blair has publicly said that now it is George Bush's turn to bite the bullet and say what others outside Washington have been saying. I don't see this happening either but I will be presently surprised if he does!. http://www.iht.com/...

As you know if you have read my posts in the past, this middle east breakdown is Bush's responsibility will only continue and get much worse regardless of the compromises that are made at this too late date as we are witness to every day. Give me your thoughts please!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

While everyone speculates, Bush will ignore them all as Maliki Gave him his out!

Time magazine who I respect has weighed in on their speculation as to what Bush is going to do in Iraq.
They said that Bush has never had to pull off a U-turn like the one he is contemplating now: To give up on his dream of turning Babylon into an oasis of freedom and democracy and instead begin a staged withdrawal from Iraq, rewrite the mission of the 150,000 U.S. troops there as they begin to draw down, launch a diplomatic Olympics across the Middle East and restart the flagging peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.
Even calling all that a reversal is misnomer; it would be more like a personality transplant.It Will Not Happen!
He is not contemplating a U turn! They think Bush will soon begin the biggest foreign policy course correction of his presidency.

He will listen to the so called Blue ribbon panel before he ignores it as usual because he is the decider and only he knows anything. Therein lies all our problems. When are they going to realize what you see is not what you get with Bush?
Like everyone else they also think the maneuver will be based on what the bipartisan, congressionally mandated commission led by former Secretary of State James Baker and former Indiana Congressman Lee Hamilton reached agreement on last week. http://www.cnn.com/...
I have to tell you! He will ignore all good advice as usual, He will not give up on his plan for the entire middle east, he will not begin a staged withdrawal of troops as he should, and he will be able to quell relations between Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, or anyone else as he has his facade of Diplomacy on the fast track.

The New York Times was no better!

The worthless debate that will engulf Washington and much of the country this week centers on a question that lurks at the intersection of war strategy and the personality of the commander in chief: after three and a half years, is President Bush ready to abandon his declaration that American forces cannot begin to leave Iraq until the Iraqis demonstrate that they are capable of defending themselves? No way and he doesn't have to. Maliki already gave him his out!

As administration officials tried to prepare the ground over the weekend for the release of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group’s long-awaited report on Wednesday, the president’s national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, repeatedly sidestepped questions about how the administration would react to the panel’s recommendations. I watched these shows and found it very frustrating knowing the real intention was to ignore what they say and do what Bush wants.
On three television news programs on Sunday, he offered assurances that Mr. Bush would look at all the new ideas landing on his desk to develop what Mr. Hadley referred to — 12 times — as a "new way forward," one that the president would announce to the nation in "weeks, not months." I saw all these shows and many analysis by the news and all you get out of this is the standard, bush will listen to all good advice before he ignores it as usual because he is the decider and only he knows anything. Again, as you know therein lies all our problems!

Mr. Hadley also knows that one of the commission’s core conclusions is that the White House should announce a plan for American forces to begin pulling back, whether the Iraqis are ready or not. http://www.nytimes.com/...

That will also not happen! He will not start pulling troops out as he should. Iraq will never be able to keep itself together but that is not Maliki's goal. However, him saying it is time for Americans to leave will give Bush his out and allow him to save face.

This is the real story!

Last week White House officials did finally admit Bush is not in a rush to act on the panel's recommendations since the administration is conducting its own Iraq policy review, coordinated by national security adviser Stephen Hadley. you know he is not going to take the Official study groups advice because he is the decider and he knows more than all those seasoned experts.
Ignoring all good advice is the norm as you know and again is the reason we are in this situation today. Bush still insists on staying in Iraq as long as we have to in order for the country to stand up on its own. It will not be as Bush thinks!
All of a sudden Al-Maliki told ABC News Iraqi forces would be ready to take control of security in Iraq by June and that he pressed Bush on the matter during their meeting in Jordan.We know they can't. How can he say that? They are going to be decimated in no time!
I can say that Iraqi forces will be ready, fully ready to receive this command and to command its own forces, and I can tell you that by next June our forces will be ready," al-Maliki told ABC News .I don't in any respect see that to be remotely possible so you have to wonder want is up?
The prime minister also said he has no tolerance for sectarian militias, not even the Mehdi Army aligned with Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, according to ABC News.
http://www.cnn.com/...

That is a lie! I don't believe any of that from Maliki for a minute! Iraq will not be able to nor do they want to be able to hold themselves together as a unified Shiite, Sunni, Kurdish, Iraq as Maliki wants you to believe.
We will be thrown out of there and that is what Bush is waiting for as his excuse to leave and what we discussed last week.
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Instantly as soon as we do leave, those police and the military will turn on each other and feed upon themselves. A Democratic Iraq is not what they want. Iraq will be in total chaos until each sect gets what they want and it will never happen.
This total chaos will then spread throughout the middle east compliments of Bush and it will not be denied! Bush's staying the course can only be for one reason and that is to have the soldiers and equipment in place to go after Iran or whoever else he wants. There can be no other reason. Staying there longer will only serve to kill more Patriotic Americans. The result will be the same. http://www.dailykos.com/...

James M Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

With Lebanon and Iraq Bush's successful middle east democracies Cheney tells the truth then Resigns!

You have to know what is in store for the entire middle east. Especially after Bush does for Iran what he has done for Iraq as has been his long stated goal.
TWO days before he resigned as US defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld sent a classified memo to the White House acknowledging that the Bush Administration's strategy in Iraq was not working, and calling for a serious course correction. It isn't working anywhere as we see and it will not!
In my view it is time for a major adjustment," wrote Mr Rumsfeld, who had spearheaded the dogged stay-the-course policy. "Clearly, what US forces are doing in Iraq is not working well enough or fast enough." http://www.smh.com.au/...

As you know it was time a long time ago. It was too late though as soon as Bush attacked Iraq to start his new middle east order and he will ignore it anyway in order to stay the course for a reason he does not speak of.

With Lebanon and Iraq being bush's two best examples of his successful Democratization of the middle east you have to know what is in store for the entire middle east particularly after he finds his excuse to attack Iran and finish the so called successful process he has started in the middle east!
Lebanon's in turmoil and their current problems are a direct aftershock of this summers war with Israel. The battle for control of Lebanon that began in earnest with Friday's rally by hundreds of thousands of protesters in downtown Beirut is an aftershock of that war.
Again and again, the packed crowd, the speakers on the podium in Riadh Al Solh Square, and the martial anthems played on a gigantic stereo system sounded the same theme, accusing the government of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora of collaborating with Israel and the United States in their plans to redraw the map of the Middle East and bomb Hizballah into submission.
Put simply by a Shi'ite schoolgirl from Baalbek: "This is an Israeli government and we want to make it fall." I quite honestly think much of this is rhetoric being used to hype disfavor for the western back government and Hizballah will end up having their way and it will speak disaster for Israel and it will pull the U.S. into this further.
Rice did stupidly tell the Lebanese they were suffering the birth pangs of a new middle east. The problem is they do not want to suffer the birth pangs of Bush's idea of a new middle east.
Hizballah is demanding the formation of a new government in which its opposition bloc would have effective veto power. And it's certainly hard to see how Siniora can carry on with much authority after Friday's show of strength by his opposition.
http://www.time.com/...
I believe they will come out stronger than that. I remember saying during their war and we were hearing they were beaten that in fact they would come out a lot stronger and they have. This puts political momentum very much back in the hands of Syria's allies and again is not good for Israel or Bush.
With what is happening there and Maliki hanging on by the skin of his teeth in Iraq. you have to come to the realization that Bush has failed in the middle east and this is rapidly turning into a nightmare for Israel and the United States as should have been expected before Bush did this..
I know I have been saying for years now that Bush will finish his plan for a new middle east order when he finds his excuse to attack Iran. At this point watching day to day events in the middle east I no longer know what to think and believe even if Bush were to turn angel of a sudden and leave Iran alone it is too late to stop the process underway in the middle east.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Negroponte states the obvious, Rice says wait for the book to find out about Iraq mistakes!

National Intelligence Director John Negroponte says Iraq is far more precarious than much of Vietnam was when he served as a U.S. diplomat there in the 1960's.An expert on Vietnam and one-time adviser to former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Negroponte said he sees more differences than similarities between the two conflicts and they are all to the negative. In Vietnam, for example, there was a clear enemy, given Soviet support of the North Vietnamese. That is the least of it.
Additionally, "in Vietnam, the cities were secure. The province capitals were secure. I walked around that country as an unarmed civilian for almost four years without ever having any serious brushes," said Negroponte, who served in the U.S. Embassy in Saigon. "In Iraq, even the capital is highly insecure — perhaps one of the most insecure places in the country." Iraq sadly will make Vietnam look easy despite the nightmares and it is just the start!

Negroponte made the remarks in a wide-ranging interview that airs Sunday evening on C-SPAN's "Q&A" program. A transcript was made available to The Associated Press. http://ww4report.com/...

Then Condi again admitted that this misadministration has made mistakes in Iraq but we will have to wait for her to leave office and wait for the book. We don't have to wait for the book. We already know! http://www.ktre.com/...

This misadministration has insisted on learning nothing from the past and has duplicated every single mistake made in Vietnam despite or maybe because of Negroponte's and the rest of them's Vietnam experience.

Also Iraq is already far worse than Vietnam already and this is still just getting started. It will continue to get a lot worse before the entire middle east is engulfed then this will really get going. This is coming from a peace loving, observant, realist.

This is only unbiased common sense and I have been saying it for years. It should have been obvious before Iraq was attacked. Over time wars don't get easier, better, or less destructive. They get progressively worse in every respect!

I have to say first that I had Grandfathers and Uncle's in WW 1 and WW 2. They were patriotic, valiant, and did a great job for the country. I just have to say that WW 1 was just a warm up as to what it would take to persevere in WW 2.

Likewise, WW 2 was a step towards what is still just getting under way. It should be common sense and a warning not to go down the road we are headed headlong.

With unbridled, perverted, religiosity on both sides of this so called war on terror, Islamists on one side and Bush's perverted fundamentalism on the other, Iraq is still just getting started. With China, Russia, the non aligned nations, and the rest of the world, though we don't want it, it will spread from there.

We can still stop this backward slide but someone in the world of consequence must realize what is happening and get the rest of the world to realize it.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Bush ignoring study group until he hears what he wants from his group! It won't stop Maliki's Real plan!

The nonpartisan Iraq Study Group will recommend a "gradual but meaningful" reduction of U.S. troops begin "relatively early in the new year," a source familiar with the group's deliberations said Thursday.
Today I heard on the radio that they would like to see a 50% reduction of American troops that would begin next year. You know that won't happen. This study group was just another waste of time and money so Bush could show another false facade of concern and cooperation. We are familiar with his two faced politics by now.
You know, that 50% reduction would be right and only a start. Knowing there are approximately 150,000 troops there. That would mean withdrawing some 75,000 troops starting next year. The correct and responsible thing to do would be to send half of them home for R&R and the remainder should go directly to Afghanistan where they should have been in the first place.

Last week I mentioned that the reason Bush has been ignoring the Iraq study Group was that he was going to ignore their suggestions until his own group arrived with their findings that will mysteriously be more to his liking.
Today White House officials stress Bush is not in a rush to act on the panel's recommendations since the administration is conducting its own Iraq policy review, coordinated by national security adviser Stephen Hadley. you know he is not going to take the Official study groups advice because he is the decider and he knows more than all those seasoned experts.
Ignoring all good advice is the norm as you know and is the reason we are in this situation today. Bush still insists on staying in Iraq as long as we have to in order for the country to stand up on its own.
All of a sudden Al-Maliki told ABC News Iraqi forces would be ready to take control of security in Iraq by June and that he pressed Bush on the matter during their meeting in Jordan. How can he say that? They are going to be decimated in no time!
I can say that Iraqi forces will be ready, fully ready to receive this command and to command its own forces, and I can tell you that by next June our forces will be ready," al-Maliki told ABC News .I don't in any respect see that to be remotely possible so you have to wonder want is up?
The prime minister also said he has no tolerance for sectarian militias, not even the Mehdi Army aligned with Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, according to ABC News.
http://www.cnn.com/...

I don't believe any of that from Maliki for a minute! Iraq will not be able to nor do they want to be able to hold themselves together as a unified Shiite, Sunni, Kurdish, Iraq as Maliki wants you to believe.
we will be thrown out of there and that is what Bush is waiting for as his excuse and what we discussed yesterday will be the result. A graceful Exit My Ass!
http://www.cnn.com/...
Instantly as soon as we do leave, those police and the military will turn on each other and feed upon themselves. A Democratic Iraq is not what they want. Iraq will be in total chaos until each sect gets what they want and it will never happen.
This total chaos will then spread throughout the middle east compliments of Bush and it will not be denied! Bush's staying the course can only be for one reason and that is to have the soldiers in place to go after Iran. There can be no other reason. Staying there longer will only serve to kill more Patriotic Americans. The result will be the same.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

A Graceful exit my Ass!

Close your eyes and click your heels 3 times and say "there's no place like home, there's no place like home". Maliki, Bush, these idiots think they're in Oz! Forget it, nothing can prevent the Iraqi breakdown that will spread throughout the entire middle east, that Bush guaranteed the day he insisted on ignoring the dire consequences and diverted from the so called war on terror to destabilize the middle east by attacking Iraq.
Well, he did his job! That is done and regardless of who helps or what is said, that can not now be undone.
I went to bed hearing 3,300 more American soldiers would be sent into the fray and I woke up to hearing Bush and Maliki agreed that the U.S. would leave only with a graceful exit!. Forget it! Bush has done everything to ensure there will be no graceful exit.

I listened all day yesterday to multitudes of stories from the media and many so called experts on whether or not Iraq was in civil war and what to do next.
I am sick of saying it but it is worse than an Iraqi civil war! The entire middle east is lost and Bush did it. I won't get into it right now as I have said it numerous times in the past but we must get our soldiers home now! Bush is killing them only to try and save his dirty face!
I keep saying there is no good way out now because of Bush but it just dawned on me this morning listening to the chief idiot that he keeps mentioning the way out.He continues to stupidly insist that we will stay in Iraq as long as the Government of Iraq wants us there.
That is it! He plans on getting us kicked out again. that is his excuse to have to leave and the majority of our equipment will be left behind supposedly for the Iraqi Government but in fact it will be used by whoever gets their hands on them in order to kill each other.
With him refusing to see reality and hold a strategic withdrawal there is no other option. At this point all the help and advice in the world is worthless.
With what we just discussed it mind you have to think that as Bush has duplicated every single mistake made in Vietnam, that he also wants another Saigon and this will be blamed on Democrats of course!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

The epitome of Doublespeak Hypocrisy: There's no more Hunger in America, only food insecurity!

The Government's annual accounting of hunger in America reported no hunger in its last outing. Instead, it found "food insecurity." Hunger by any other name leaves your stomach just as empty
I just can't stand the degree this Administration will go in order to keep the facts from having the influence on you thus them that it should and would have if they just talked straight.
No one wants to hear that the Chief idiot screwed up and we should retreat. Instead we hear the softer version that we may have to redeploy. we should redeploy the heck right out of there and quick.
I may be wrong but under Bush, the master of deception I believe this doublespeak has been brought to heights never before seen. Words are a moving target that conceal at least as much as they reveal. Doublespeak runs through the discourse on Iraq, terrorism and domestic matters to a point where it's hard to tell what is going on.

Listening to Bush yesterday saying there is not civil war in Iraq, there is a war between Iran backed Shiite and Al Qaeda backed Sunni. who gives a shit who is behind it? Sunni and Shiite still want to kill each other. No matter how you paint it a civil war by any other name is still a civil war!
The libertarian Cato Institute recently took on the rising tide of fuzzy words in the fight against terrorism, arguing that whatever people think of what the government is doing, it would help to understand what the government is doing. I have to ask, how can we understand what the Government is doing? They don't even know what they are doing? We do know they are lying and A lie by any other name is still a lie!
We know this misadministration offers tortured definitions of torture, describes suicide by captives as "self-injurious behavior incidents" and labeled at least one suspect an "imperative security internee" when it became constitutionally questionable to hold him as an "enemy combatant. Whatever they have to say too follow their ill plans they will.
We also know Interrogations are debriefings,Propaganda is a struggle for hearts and minds.The estate tax is the death tax, The right to an abortion is the right to "choose, why can't we just talk straight anymore, damn the torpedoes, and let the chips fall where they may?
Why can't anyone oppose the Patriot Act and still be a patriot? they can as far as I'm concerned but this abuse and misuse of terms has got to stop. This should not be a word game, a game of semantics!
By corrupting the language, the people who wield power are able to fool the others about their activities and evade responsibility and accountability.
We hear the sorry excuse that The wish to be technically accurate was behind the decision of the Agriculture Department this year to squeeze "hunger" out of the equation when considering how many people go hungry.that is just bullshit!
Hunger, in the words of advisers whose recommendations were accepted by the department, is "an individual-level physiological condition that may result from food insecurity." What the fuck is that? hunger is by any other word still hunger, man this pisses me off!
http://hosted.ap.org/...
Also I grew up on a Dead End. They are gone, replaced by Cul De Sac's. What else is gone?
James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

The Intense Too Late Diplomatic effort is not to save Iraq But to save Bush and his legacy....

The Intense Too Late Diplomatic effort is not to save Iraq But to save Bush and his legacy of failure from Himself! Iraq is lost!
With Kofi Annan, our own Generals, and the so called experts saying Iraq is almost in a civil war. You know I have been saying for quite a while that it is and every time Bush declares a victory for the Iraqi people it gets worse, and it will quickly get a lot worse.
With this in mind I might be slow but it has dawned on me that Bush's self appointed panel, the so called Bipartisan Blue Ribbon panel, Cheney offering Saudi Arabia a linchpin position in solving Iraq's problems, the reaching out to Iran for so called help in the dire Iraqi situation caused by Bush.
All of this and everything else involving Bush's failed Iraq Debacle is not to save Iraq but to save Bush and his legacy of failure from the truth!

Iraq was lost as soon as Bush diverted from the so called war on terror.
He used the excuse of 9/11 to attack Iraq and unsettle the middle east guaranteeing the loss of Afghanistan, Iraq, and the entire middle east. If fighting terrorism was his goal he would have stayed in Afghanistan. He lied to our troops and us from the beginning. He did this so he could further his idea of a new middle east and world order.
I have to agree with the Sunni's and the Shiite's as they both rightly blame Bush for Iraq's problems as I'm sure you do too. Iraq will never be able to take care of itself. Iraqi hell will get a lot worse when we pull out. Every victory Bush has claimed for the Iraqi people has served to worsen their hell as expected. The Popes visit to Turkey today, Bush's meeting with Maliki tomorrow, and the scheduled hanging of Saddam will all do their share in the end for Iraq and the middle east!
Now that Bush won't admit but can't be so stupid as to realize his plan for new Iraqi and middle east order has failed he is trying to save himself and his miscreants from their failed plans.
Calling in all this help from Iraqi neighbors and so called experts is a failed effort. He hopes not to save Iraq but to save face! However, it is too late! The decider did the wrong deciding.
His Legacy as the worst President in History speaks for itself. No one needs to say a word but we must! His ineptitude speaks for itself. His legacy of failed middle east and world interference speaks for itself. his ignorance and irresponsibility speaks for itself.
He is a failure as a man, as a President, and as a Christian. Beyond hoodwinking much of the population for years I challenge you to find something, anything he has done right!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

The Popes visit to Turkey will only serve to further middle east chaos, Is that the real Goal?

More than 20,000 Muslims in Istanbul on Sunday staged the biggest protest so far against Pope Benedict's trip to Turkey as Islamic opposition to this week's controversial visit gathered momentum. It will get a lot worse believe me!
Benedict, due to begin his first official visit to a Muslim country next Tuesday, angered many Muslims in September with a speech they took as an insult to Islam. Youths wearing headbands with Islamic scripts, beating drums and waving Turkish red and white flags chanted "Allah Akbar" (God is greatest) in the peaceful rally. Isn't that also the Popes message?
"I cannot remain silent when the Prophet Mohammed is insulted. I love him more than myself," said one demonstrator.He said Roman Catholic cardinals chose this pope last year
"Because he is against Islam and are concerned Islam is spreading in Europe."I have to admit that I too was taken aback by some of the Popes statements as they seemed designed to purposely cause controversy. http://www.cnn.com/...

Some of the strongest words came from Turkey, possibly putting in jeopardy Benedict’s scheduled visit there Tuesday . Muslim leaders in Pakistan, Morocco and Kuwait, in addition to some in Germany and France, also criticized the pope’s remarks. The speech began with what he conceded were “brusque” words about Islam: He quoted a 14th Century Byzantine emperor as saying, “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.” I have to ask why he said that in the first place unless his intention was to cause division? http://www.nytimes.com/...
The four-day visit is billed as an opportunity to heal wounds with the Muslim world after the pope quoted a Byzantine emperor saying Islam was violent and irrational. He has said he did not share that view. This visit alone is going to add fuel to the fire. What is he really thinking?

A visit to Istanbul's famous Blue Mosque was added to the pope's itinerary at the last minute, a move seen as an attempt at further reconciliation with the Muslim world. again I ask what the hell is he thinking? What are his real intentions? Is he in cahoots with Bush? This will only serve to worsen the situation in Iraq and the entire middle est! they have to know that! This will step up further the middle east breakdown.

His predecessor, Pope John Paul II, made the first visit by a pontiff to a mosque during a trip to Damascus in 2001. Pope John Paul paid the last papal visit to Turkey in 1979 but he was a different man with a different message. Pope Benedict is no Pope Paul!.

Muslims don't want the pope in their lands. Look at the suffering which they spread in Palestine, Iraq and Chechnya. I link this to Christianity," said a 28-year-old architect.

Before becoming pope, Benedict annoyed Turks by speaking out against Turkey's bid to join the European Union, saying it did not belong there because of its religion and culture. How the hell can he not expect total chaos when he goes there? When he visits that Mosque all hell is going to break loose. they will not allow this.

Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul, who will be absent during the pope's visit, played down the controversy."We hope this visit will help eliminate misunderstandings between Muslims and Christians," Gul told a news conference.

His message will be very important and Turkey plans tight security measures for the pope. will also visit the site where the Virgin Mary is believed to have lived and died near Izmir on the Aegean coast.

I have to laugh! The Prime Minister plays down the controversy says he also will not be around for the Popes visit. I wouldn't be either. I have to mention that I awoke this morning to hear that he will see the Pope at the Airport before he ducks out. Big of him!
I must say I am finally hearing the right thing about Iraq. We have been there longer than WW2 lasted and we should pull out now not later.http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/149499,CST-EDT-REF26.article

Of course this is true but it can not happen soon enough to avoid the backlash from the Popes visit to Turkey. It has to be designed to further middle east chaos. What other possible outcome could they possibly expect.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Analysts, Generals, Democrat's threats, No King can put Iraq together Again!

Top analysts, Generals, Democrats Threats, Saudi Arabia, Iran Intervention all worthless in stopping Iraq, and the middle east breakdown.It's too late!
It is too late! The only thing that would have prevented this was for Bush not to divert from the war in Afghanistan and destabilize the entire middle east by attacking Iraq but he did and nothing anyone says or does will prevent the breakdown he set in motion. it's too late!
I hear Lou Dobbs is going to have 3 top military advisors on his show tonight to see what to do next and how to quell this. Nothing will stop this now. It's too late.
Now the so called experts are concerned Iraq's neighbors might get involved. that along with Sectarian violence is just two of the realities the chief Idiot ignored.
Yesterday Cheney was in Saudi Arabia seeking King Abdullah's support saying he would be a major linchpin in events in Iraq and the middle east. No shit Dick Tracy!
With Iran and Syria actively supporting ruling Shiites along with Al Sadr threatening to pull out from the Government because of Bush. And now Cheney actively seeking support for Iraq from Sunni led Saudi Arabia, what the hell are these fools thinking? They are finishing the setup for a total breakdown that Bush set in motion. Bushco is proposing the final dissolution of Iraq. It will not be stopped. It is too late!
All the so called experts are wrong. Nothing will stop the breakdown Bush set into motion when he diverted from the so called war on terror and attacked Iraq to start his failed new middle east order. It is too late!
Everything the idiot ignored is coming to fruition and it will not be stopped. They are going to follow us home regardless. Start a managed withdrawal now and at least save American lives.
From 9/11 he has been following a plan. Fighting terrorism was not it. It was just the reason he needed to attack Iraq and start to implement his new middle east and world order. Please read the following and you will understand everything.
As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do. 9/11 gave him that something. He has been lying and misleading right from the beginning.
He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new societal, middle east, and world order. That is why it was important to him to whip up a media and public fury which of course, he has done.
He used the excuse of 9/11 to attack Iraq and unsettle the middle east guaranteeing the loss of Afghanistan, Iraq, and the entire middle east. If fighting terrorism was his goal he would have stayed in Afghanistan. He lied to our troops and us from the beginning. He did this so he could further his idea of a new middle east and world order. Of course lying all the while and whipping up as much support and frenzy as he could in the media and minds he controls until he can fully implement his plans..
At this point it behooves him to continue to ignore reality and continue to whip up a frenzy so he can continue staying the course in order to further prosecute his new middle east and world order.
We are all shamelessly being used so Bush can follow his plan for new order. I wrote this 3 years ago but it is more obvious today. Let me know what you think? I won't get any deeper but it gets worse from here.
http://www.anaveragepatriot.com/...
I can't say it enough, It is too late! The longer we stay the more Americans die needlessly. Bush fucked up and we must bring our troops home to fight here or from here as needed in the future! Iraq ca not be saved, neither can the middle east. Leave tomorrow or 100 years from now the results would be the same and insurgents will follow us home. We must leave Iraq! None of the so called experts get it. Iraq and the middle east are lost thanks to Bush the child. It is too late!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Bush Insists on meeting Maliki worsening Iraq, Russia defends Iran, A call from Afghanistan! what?

Bush Insists on meeting Maliki worsening Iraq, Russia defends Iran, My son's well in Afghanistan but...Man I'm Bumming!
I had a post prepared for today where I was going to show the futility of the war in Iraq as Bush ignores Al Sadr and the fact that meeting with Al Maliki will worsen the already dire situation in Iraq and in the entire middle east furthering the breakdown he started.
However, I just got off the phone with an unanticipated much appreciated phone call from my son serving with the Army near Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. He is well! He had a close call this morning but all is well.
I promised I would not use his name but he is in and around the towns in Afghanistan collecting from the kids and townspeople large quantities of unexploded ordinance in one form or the other and exploding it.

I promised I would not use his name but he is in and around the towns in Afghanistan collecting from the kids and townspeople large quantities of unexploded ordinance in one form or the other and exploding it.

He has a young daughter and seeing all the children roaming around with lost limbs bothers him but he said they often get themselves blown up while roaming through the endless minefields looking for ordinance as he and others keep asking them not to do. It seems to be a catch 22 for these children caught in war as they search for ways to feed themselves at the expense of life and limb.
He told me he had some good pictures he wanted to send me but my email was full so he asked me to empty my box a bit which I did and promptly wiped out the post I had prepared for today along with many things I needed. I wanted to show that as Bush insists on meeting with Maliki instead of talking on the phone and senselessly furthering the Iraq collapse. Russia is shipping missile defense systems to Iran in order to protect them from an attack by Bush that I expect to come before Bush gets out of office. Coming to Israel's defense will be his excuse.
Now back to my son for a moment! He was expected home in January but his tour in Afghanistan has been extended to some time in May. As you know, this happens often today as our military is stretched very thin. He is pretty happy with what he is doing and is not bothered. However, I would like to see him come home in time to help his wife with their new baby that is expected in June.
My concern not my sons is where he will be sent next as I see no end of Bush's warmongering but a worsening. Obviously Russia and Iran expect it also. I have always expected Russia along with China to come to the defense of Iran where we would in the end be facing all three of them and many more.
I really have to wonder what is in store for our children in the future as Bush is still doing his damnedest to ensure that they will have wars to fight for years to come!

James Joiner
Gardner' Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

11/7 May be Remembered as the Day that Saved America But it is too late for the Middle east!

First I have to say I saw a headline saying I saw a headline saying 4 million in Darfur need aid! That may be true but what about Bush's 12 million free Iraqi's in hell, what's next for them? What's next for the middle east? 11/7 may be remembered as the day that saved America but what about the living hell on earth Bush has created in Iraq and by design, soon to spread throughout the entire middle east?
With Yesterday horrible events in Iraq, more specifically Sadr City in Baghdad, that saw a reported 257 killed and up to 500 total dead and wounded that brought instant reprisals by Shiite rocket attacks on Sunni shrines, We are hearing that Shiite's blame the attacks on pro Saddam Sunni Al Qaeda.

In light of the fact that the chief idiot called the sentencing of Saddam to Hang, another victory for the Iraqi people and some of us saw it only as another step to Iraq's total breakdown, You have to wonder what is next there and apprehensive as to the horror that will come with Saddam's hanging. At this juncture a total breakdown can not be stopped in Iraq or the entire middle east.
Knowing Tanks and troops backed up by Israeli air strikes attacked a housing project in the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya. Israeli authorities say they are continuing their offensive to stop Palestinian militants from firing rockets into southern Israel. Israel is continuing to do their share in attempting to create a new middle east order.
http://www.voanews.com/...

Knowing Tens of thousands marched through downtown Beirut on Thursday to mourn the death of Christian Industry Minister Pierre Gemayel. Meanwhile, the battle for control of the fragile nation intensifies. Lebanon has become a crucial element in the struggle for control of the Middle East. You have to wonder what's going to happen to Lebanon?
You have those blaming Syria and maybe Iran as they try to get Syria more deeply involved in their effort to create their version of a new middle east order. Knowing I keep saying that Bush behind a facade of Diplomacy is determined to find a reason to attack Iran, that theory would play into his hand and you have to wonder who is behind it.
I am of the thought that Israel was behind the killing as an unstable Lebanon would play into their hand in their effort at getting Bush further involved so he could further Israel's and Bush's idea of a new middle east order while implicating Syria
http://www.spiegel.de/...

Any way you look at it the breakdown of the entire middle east that Bush set in motion when he attacked Iraq is rapidly getting worse and nothing will stop it.
From 9/11 he has been following a plan. Fighting terrorism was not it. It was just the reason he needed to attack Iraq and start to implement his new middle east and world order. Please read the following and you will understand everything.
As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do. 9/11 gave him that something. He has been lying and misleading right from the beginning.
He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new societal, middle east, and world order. That is why it was important to him to whip up a media and public fury which of course, he has done.
He used the excuse of 9/11 to attack Iraq and unsettle the middle east guaranteeing the loss of Afghanistan, Iraq, and the entire middle east. If fighting terrorism was his goal he would have stayed in Afghanistan. He lied to our troops and us from the beginning. He did this so he could further his idea of a new middle east and world order. Of course lying all the while and whipping up as much support and frenzy as he could in the media and minds he controls until he can fully implement his plans..
At this point it behooves him to continue to ignore reality and continue to whip up a frenzy so he can continue staying the course in order to further prosecute his new middle east and world order.
We are all shamelessly being used so Bush can follow his plan for new order. I wrote this 3 years ago but it is more obvious today. Let me know what you think? I won't get any deeper but it gets worse from here.
http://www.anaveragepatriot.com/...

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Happy Thanksgiving! What are you Thankful For?

First and foremost I am thankful my sons are well and safe. Especially the two in the military. In particular the one serving in Afghanistan. May he make it home to see his soon to be born new child!

I am thankful we have so far survived Bush!

I am thankful Democrats have taken back the Senate and the House!

I am thankful I don't travel outside the country because of the law requiring citizens to have a passport in order to reenter. I wonder what unique problems that will cause?

I am thankful I don't live in Lebanon Iraq, Gaza, or anywhere else in the failing middle east!

I am thankful people are waking up to Bush's continuing fear mongering in relation to Democrats in every capacity!

I am thankful we can hopefully start doing the right thing for Iraqi's and the middle east. With 3,709 Iraqi's killed in October I think they agree! Did I say I was thankful I didn't live in Bush's created hell on earth Iraq that he calls a success?

I am thankful I am not a Republican!

I am thankful Democrats are back in control in Massachusetts

I am thankful Massachusetts does not vote using electronic voting machines!

I am thankful I am, not a so called Evangelical Christian! I am thankful OJ Simpson's assholish murder admission will not at least go mainstream.

I am thankful I still have enough to eat and a place to call home!

Last but not least I am thankful for the kos family. It has become a necessity for me to be able to discuss the many daily issues and at least hear the right thing here!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Wired For Sound I have An Opinion and now I'm Talking! nothing is as it Seems!

I understand Lebanese Industry Minister Pierre Gemayel a Christian and critic of was shot and killed many Palestinians believe Syrian hands were all over it though Syria denies it. I believe the Palestinian's are right! He was the 5th anti Syrian killed.
In response Lebanon's Prime minister said they will not be intimidated but I believe they will be.
I also heard that an ex Soviet spy has been poisoned but is so far still alive. Though denied involvement by Russia I do believe they were behind it!
I heard Pelosi say that she would extend her hand to Republicans in accomplishing their agenda of relieving of the middle class that has been squeezed. IMHO there will be no cooperation in this effort only a fight!
I also heard India and China are to be partners in Mutual Growth.

In a joint Declaration they express there is room for both of them to grow. With both of them competing for the same shrinking energy source as they seek to grow and vying for the same market this is another no go.
I hear that Ministers from China, the EU, India, Japan, the ROK, Russia, and the United States, have signed a deal to harness the nuclear power source that powers the sun. This power source if attainable will be the source of future conflicts.
I hear Syria and Iraq are to restore Diplomatic ties after 25 years. this will only serve to break apart Iraq and Iran will also do their share.
The United States is urging Sudan to agree to the UN peacekeeping force but again, that will not happen!
A GOP fundraiser is sentenced to 18 years for embezzlement is deserving of my thanks for giving us Ohio but I do think he deserves a longer sentence.
My Governor, Massachusetts ® Mitt Romney has been lobbying in the streets against same sex marriage. He should be fired as his role as Governor is too enforce the publics will not dictate it ir take sides in demonstrations.
On the same note I hear that Israel's high court now recognizes same sex marriage. I find it odd but believe it is right!
I also heard that Senator Clinton leads the pack of Democratic candidates for President as Kerry slips. It makes me thing is that as good as we can do because she doesn't stand a chance in hell and would only serve to rally Republicans and what about Obama or ?
I also don't understand why Poland has the right to say the EU and Russian cooperation pact can go through if their demands are met? Can someone help me with that?
Then I hear Kofi Annan sees U.S. trapped in Iraq. Man is he brilliant, that must be why he is UN Secretary General.
Lastly, the Selective Service says they are ready if asked to implement the Draft. I just have to say that in light of the precarious position Bush has us in I am not particularly comfortable with the fact that they say they can implement it in 9 months. If there is an emergency that sounds a bit scary to me. What do you think about all of this?

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

With Go Big Go Long Go Home all Wrong: Syria, Iran, Iraq Talks Not Good!

In light of the fact that the Pentagons proposals do not even mention the right take on the Bush created Iraq breakdown I have to think it has purposely been ignored and omitted since it is a Democratic idea. more Later!
With that said you tell me your thoughts but to me Iraq, Syria, and Iran, holding talks during a weeklong summit in Iran is tantamount to giving Bush a way out and showing a willingness to divvy up Iraq.
It seems to me that asking Iran and Syria to help in Iraq is most definitely going to do what Bush keeps saying he would not allow to happen and that is a division of Iraq into 3 sections. Shiite with the Iranian's. Syria with the Sunni's, and the poor Kurds stuck between Turkey, Iran, and the mess Bush has created in Iraq.
http://www.foxnews.com/...

This division Bush knew, was a likely result of attacking Iraq and destabilizing the middle east but he ignored it to attack Iraq in order to prosecute his and Israel's new middle east order.
With Politicians in both party's the Pentagon, the Generals, former Diplomats, all calling for a rapid policy shift in Iraq, this sacrificing of Iraq' autonomy seems to be the beginning of the problems Bush has created for the middle east and it will get worse from here.
This is not true though! I have been waiting for us to get back into power so we could make the right changes to the mess Bush has created in Iraq. however, at this point it is looking like Bush is trying to establish his so called way out of Iraq before Democrats get into power in January. So I am now thinking we have to try and hold Bush off until January when we can do the right thing.
He has again set us up to look stupid for his political gain but what we have been hearing about the Pentagon Panels Iraq options (go big go long go home)are all wrong and missing the most viable option of all.
http://www.forbes.com/...
It seems like now Bush wants to hurry to action before Democrats can get into a position to attempt to push through their correct option of a slow, strategic, withdrawal to me while leaving behind military advisors and we would evaluate the situation from that point.
Fucking Bush is setting us up again!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Bush Noncommittal, McCain wants 20,000 more, Kissinger wakes to lost Iraq and now Rangle..

Bush Noncommittal, McCain wants 20,000 more, Kissinger wakes to lost Iraq and Rangle wants return to Draft? Not good!

I hope someone of consequence will stop and think about yesterdays events and put it into perspective. Of course Bush remains noncommittal as to troop levels in Iraq as he continues to abuse and misuse the military. Knowing this and the fact that he supposedly is waiting to hear what he already knows from the so called Blue Ribbon Iraq Panel along with General Pace's assessment both of which will be biased but he will ignore as he has sent out his own panel in order to further confuse the issue..
Knowing that he necessitated a larger American Military when he diverted from the so called war on terror in Afghanistan in order to attack Iraq and destabilize the entire middle east so he could begin to implement his and Israel's new middle east order.

I hope someone of consequence will stop and think about yesterdays events and put it into perspective. Of course Bush remains noncommittal as to troop levels in Iraq as he continues to abuse and misuse the military. Knowing this and the fact that he supposedly is waiting to hear what he already knows from the so called Blue Ribbon Iraq Panel along with General Pace's assessment both of which will be biased but he will ignore as he has sent out his own panel in order to further confuse the issue..
Knowing that he necessitated a larger American Military when he diverted from the so called war on terror in Afghanistan in order to attack Iraq and destabilize the entire middle east so he could begin to implement his and Israel's new middle east order.

Knowing that John McCain is already calling for an additional 20,000 troops just to try and deal with the Sectarian violence in Iraq that will not be quelled and will get a lot worse as Iraq has been lost since Bush ignored all advice to the contrary and attacked Iraq..
http://www.cnn.com/... Keep this in perspective!

Amidst this, knowing 3 of those involved in the Vietnam failure, Cheney, Rummy, and Kissinger, have been intimately involved in prosecuting Iraq, another loser. We have Rummy having been fired for Iraq's failure and Bush's main stay the course advisor Henry Kissinger waking up to what should have been known before Iraq was attacked.

Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said Sunday a U.S.. victory in Iraq is no longer possible under the conditions the Bush administration hopes to achieve, but a quick withdrawal of American troops would have "disastrous consequences,". It has never been possible any more than it was in Vietnam but it is too late to realize that now.
We still have President Bush saying the United States will remain in Iraq until the country's government "can sustain itself and defend itself". http://www.cnn.com/...

That will never happen! Iraq will never be able to govern itself as Bush thinks. This breakdown in Iraq and the entire middle east is still just beginning. Knowing Israel is doing its share to perpetrate their idea of a new middle east order along side of Bush and that Bush will use defending Israel as his excuse to have to attack Iran as he has wanted all along. I am very concerned as we all should be about Charlie Rangle's statement.

Rangle said There's no question in his mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft, and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way".

Rangle, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, said he will propose a measure early next year.In 2003, he proposed a draft covering people age 18 to 26. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42. It went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress. http://www.cnn.com/...

Knowing that Bush is the decider and he does not care what anyone else thinks or has to sacrifice in order for him to follow his plan for new societal, middle east, and world order. Knowing that Rangle himself has pointed out that we had a Draft during WW1, Korea, and WW2, as one of his justifications for a return to the draft now. I absolutely can not understand him saying a return to the draft would prevent future wars.

Keeping in mind that bush still has a lot of time to cause more trouble you have to be very concerned about a return to the draft. Even if Bush is gone his created war atmosphere will not dissipate with his misadministration. What do you think?

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

The Armor in the so called War on Terror is Cracking!

The Armor in the so called War on Terror is Cracking Blair, India, Afghanistan, Pakistan! and Bush was always cracked!
We have known for a while now that Pakistan offered safe haven in its Western regions to the Taliban in exchange for a peaceful coexistence. Top this off with yesterdays news that India's nuke deal was just okayed in the Senate.
LAST-DITCH OPPOSITION to the India-US civil nuclear cooperation deal was overwhelmingly rejected, with the US Senate voting 85-12 on Thursday in favor of ending the atomic apartheid against India. Tellingly, each of the six “killer” amendments proposed to the bill, which Delhi had said would compel it to reject the nuclear deal, was easily defeated. http://www.hindustantimes.com/...

On the same day we learn that, Pakistan of course is not happy and is calling for a level playing field. But we also find out that India and Afghanistan are calling for peace as they are frustrated with the war on terror. Much of the blame is rightly placed with Bush. As many of you know I too have accused Bush many times of purposely fostering terrorism as Pakistan, India, and Afghanistan, are all doing and can you blame them?
http://www.centralchronicle.com/...
Remember who is at the helm and the cause of much of the confusion.
Then the Coup de Gras!

Tony Blair has finally conceded the three-year-old invasion of Iraq has been a "disaster", in the British prime minister frankest admission yet that the US-led, UK-backed military operation is mired in the quicksand of poor planning, massive overstretch and failed objectives.
Late on Friday, Frost, a veteran interviewer whose notoriously laid-back delivery and sleepy style of questioning has elicited startling confessions from President Nixon among others over the years, asked Blair, if he agreed western intervention in Iraq had "so far been pretty much of a disaster".
Blair responded with a jaw-dropping "It has", words that President Bush's staunchest ally in intervention had so far never uttered. He followed that up with the explanation, "It has, but you see what I say to people is why is it difficult in Iraq? It's not difficult because of some accident in planning, it's difficult because there's a deliberate strategy - al-Qaeda with Sunni insurgents on one hand, Iranian-backed elements with Shia militias on the other - to create a situation in which the will of the majority for peace is displaced by the will of the minority for war."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...

First I have to say whatever we think of the Chief idiot and his sometimes purposeful mishandling of this so called war on terror, none of this is good. I can understand all these feelings but throwing in the towel now would be tantamount to suicide. We can not allow ourselves to break apart.
Then I want to reiterate that this as all the Chief idiots doing! If he did not divert from the so called war on terror Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India would find things a lot different.
Bush complicated things there when he decided to ignore all advice to the contrary and attack Iraq to destabilize the entire middle east and set up his new middle east world order that is all failing thanks to his ineptitude. Blair is now saying Iraq is a disaster which means if it is the front in the war on terror as Bush tries to say then that means the war on terror is a disaster.
That may well be though it is still just starting but Blair is confused! this so called deliberate strategy is a direct lack of planning. Any idiot expected it. Bush chose to ignore it because he wrongly believed he could impress his will over there.
Those that have read my many posts on the subject know I believe Iraq, Afghanistan, and the middle east, are lost because of Bush. That is a given. However we can not allow everybody to get tired of this so called war on terror because it is all still just starting. Any complacency will be to our demise. That is only the voice of a realist talking. We have got to stay together and win this. The so called terrorists will not relent until the persevere.
To me this all boils down to being weary of Bush and his created messes, am I wrong?

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Bush said there were lessons to be learned from Vietnam,insurgents have learned, Bush has Not!

As usual if you want to know the truth, the whole story, you have to peruse all news outlets and come up with it yourself. Once again this is true! Bush's cagey lies told only so he can stay the course of failure in Iraq are blatant and obvious as the truth is Iraq has failed as Vietnam did regardless of how much time was spent there or in Iraq. This fool just doesn't get it and continues to prove that while the insurgents have learned their lessons he has learned nothing!
President Bush, on his first visit to a country where America lost a two-decade-long fight against communism, said Friday the Vietnam War's lesson for today's Iraq conflict is that freedom takes time to trump hatred.
Embracing a former enemy that remains communist but is allowing capitalism to surge, Bush opened a four-day stay here that was fueling an already raging debate over his war policy.
Please read the ignored lessons below the fold!

Bush stupidly says "It's just going to take a long period of time for the ideology that is hopeful -- and that is an ideology of freedom -- to overcome an ideology of hate," Bush said
"We'll succeed," Bush added, "unless we quit." Bullshit!
A North Vietnamese veteran who had his hand blown off fighting the Americans, recalled his own lesson."Even though the Americans were more powerful with all their massive weapons, the main factor in war is the people," he said. "The Vietnamese people were very determined. We would not give up. That's why we won."
http://www.cnn.com/... Doesn't he realize that this id just a Communist country that is using Capitalism in order to further their beloved Communism as China is doing?
I have to ask first what the Fuck? I just looked at this one story and I'm dumbfounded. then I read another outlook and it gets worse!
Thinking about Bush's speech on freedom in Vietnam I see this in another story that In this image-conscious country, party leaders can speak freely and be heard, but not everyone here can hear the leader of the free world who sadly is Bush and that is a good thing but! Throughout the day, reporters from both countries were allowed to hear remarks by Vietnamese leaders, but were forced to leave when it was Bush's turn to speak.

"Out, out," officials shouted to reporters during Bush's remarks at a meeting with Nong Duc Manh, general secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam. that's freedom? http://www.chron.com/...

Then I see another article and you know in today's environment to expect tight security but this! Human rights agencies say beggars and street children have been placed in detention centers. This is Bush's ideology of freedom? http://www.stuff.co.nz/...

Bush said there were lessons to be learned from the divisive Vietnam war as he has refused to learn anything at all from that and has repeated every mistake and then some. Also knowing his unworthy actions during Vietnam I have to wonder what he was really thinking as he passed Truc Bach lake, where John McCain now a Republican senator from Arizona, was captured after parachuting from his damaged warplane. McCain spent more than five years as a prisoner of war. http://www.cnn.com/....

I don't have to tell you this but Bush has duplicated every single mistake from again trying to set up a puppet Government, trying to enforce Democracy on a country that as a whole does not want it, to again relying on so called freed people that are often turning on our troops. He has also insisted on overstaying our misconceived welcome. I am sure you can all come up with many, many more. What mistake has bush not repeated? What the hell has he done right?

From what we are all seeing it appears as though the so called insurgents have learned the lessons of Vietnam well while bush has learned absolutely nothing. We started this unnecessary war of Bush's just the opposite as Vietnam and we should see to it that we finish that way. During Vietnam we went in slowly as advisors, slowly. Then we left fast having given up. No matter how long we stayed the results would have been the same!

Bush refuses to see that the same thing applies to Iraq! This time, in Iraq we went in fast and we should leave slowly with a measured, strategic, withdrawal, while we still have a say over it. Our soldiers did their job, Bush must make believe he can do his and think!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com