Looks like Islamists have found their excuse to enrage Muslims to war against the west in the middle east

Ya think?

A U.S. law enforcement official says a man named Nakoula Basseley Nakoula is behind the anti-Muslim film being blamed for mob attacks in Egypt, Libya and Yemen. A man who calls himself Sam Bacile has said he created the film, but The Associated Press on Wednesday connected Nakoula to the Bacile persona.The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation.

Egypt Protestors Attack US Embassy in Cairo after Film in America Blasphemes Muhammad

Protesters rush US embassy in Yemen

This so called event looks like the straw that broke the camels back, this is the latest in an 11 year attempt by Islamists to find something the west has done against their Religion so they can blow it all out of proportion so they can continue Bin Laden's vendetta against the west.

2 US troops killed in Koran backlash: Two U.S. troops have been shot to death and four more wounded by an Afghan solider who turned his gun on his allies in apparent anger over the burning of Korans at a U.S. military base in Afghanistan, an Afghan official tells CBS News.

Nato forces have lost legitimacy: The Nato forces in Afghanistan led by the US cannot hope to succeed in any part of their mission when they persistently display profound ignorance of the country in which they are operating. The long-running conflict needs some kind of political solution, which has to be found by the Afghan government talking to the Taliban. It cannot be found by Americans killing Afghans. It is a disaster that the coalition forces continuously display an ingrained ignorance of Muslim sensibilities, as illustrated by US personnel burning copies of the Quran in a pile of garbage. The holy book is universally respected by all Muslims, and there are clear cut methods to dispose off old copies of the book respectfully.

There are accepted ways of disposing of any Holy book but you do not see other Religions trying to kill everybody and rising up. I am going to assume once again this is the Islamists making as much of this as possible to turn Muslims against us. That said, I do believe we should get out of Afghanistan and leave them to their own demise. I do agree though that we just keep giving the Islamists reason to drum up anger against the west.

Remember that idiot Pastor who was going to burn the Koran and what that did? Quran-burning protests spread to Kandahar; 9 dead,Today this is getting worse and there is 20 dead. That fffing Jones!

Five Die In Second Koran burning Protest as Five people have died in protests in Kandahar against the burning of a copy of the Koran, a day after an attack prompted by the incident left at least 12 people dead, including seven UN staff.

There are not words strong enough that I can use to show my disgust for what this so called Pastor had done. Pastor Jones agreed to not burn the the Koran last year because the Imam who was going to build the Muslim educational center (the so called Mosque) said he would move it. According to Jones this would please God. What the hell is that? I don't know about God but the damage was done and warnings had gone out to all Americans everywhere not just to the soldiers as the Taliban have weighed in along with Robert Gates.

I am really concerned for my sons in combat still. Hell the Bible like the Koran can be interpreted to justify killing. I wish we would just leave those fools to their own demise.

I thought I better remind us of just a little of what we have done to Muslims to deserve their ire:

Remember the Swiss ban on Minarets The minaret was a political symbol against integration; a symbol more of segregation and first above all a symbol to try to introduce Sharia law parallel to Swiss rights. That sounds insane but it went directly to the paranoid citizens and they voted to outlaw the Minaret.

IRAN: Outrage, and a warning, over Swiss vote to ban minarets

Libya follows Iran in warning against Swiss minaret ban

Bishop of Arabia dismayed by minaret ban in Swiss homeland

Remember the Danish cartoons about Muhammad printed almost 5 years ago? Here they are

Remember the French headscarf ban after dozens of Muslim school girls were expelled for refusing to remove their head scarf To the French it is a sign of oppression but who cares what they think? Their desire to ban it altogether?

Remember Salman Rushdie, who went into hiding under threat of death after an Iranian fatwa, was knighted by the Queen? Muslim's wanted his head and he had to go into hiding

You know I have written often of my disgust with those who said we did nothing to deserve 9/11 or anything that has happened before and since. We more than asked for everything we got. Remember the Berlin conference Berlin Conference of 1884-1885 to Divide Africa

India and Pakistan being ad hoc divided by Britain


Why ever they are doing this the long awaited middle east breakdown is under way. It started when Bush illegally attacked Iraq. We keep doing fucked up things to piss off the Islamists over nothing but an excuse to ratchet up tensions towards a war. Those scum have nothing better to do with their time. In reality they are their peoples enemy and they are dragging them down as Bib Laden was. Decent Muslims should police themselves and take down the Islamists instigators looking for a war.


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Nato forces have lost legitimacy? Must get out of Afghanistan?

2 US troops killed in Koran backlash: Two U.S. troops have been shot to death and four more wounded by an Afghan solider who turned his gun on his allies in apparent anger over the burning of Korans at a U.S. military base in Afghanistan, an Afghan official tells CBS News.

Nato forces have lost legitimacy: The Nato forces in Afghanistan led by the US cannot hope to succeed in any part of their mission when they persistently display profound ignorance of the country in which they are operating. The long-running conflict needs some kind of political solution, which has to be found by the Afghan government talking to the Taliban. It cannot be found by Americans killing Afghans.
It is a disaster that the coalition forces continuously display an ingrained ignorance of Muslim sensibilities, as illustrated by US personnel burning copies of the Quran in a pile of garbage. The holy book is universally respected by all Muslims, and there are clear cut methods to dispose off old copies of the book respectfully.

There are accepted ways of disposing of any Holy book but you do not see other Religions trying to kill everybody and rising up. I am going to assume once again this is the Islamists making as much of this as possible to turn Muslims against us. That said, I do believe we should get out of Afghanistan and leave them to their own demise. I do agree though that we just keep giving the Islamists reason to drum up anger against the west.

Remember that idiot Pastor who was going to burn the Koran and what that did? Quran-burning protests spread to Kandahar; 9 dead,Today this is getting worse and there is 20 dead. That fffing Jones!

Fla. Pastor denies responsibility for Afghan killings

Five Die In Second Koran burning Protest as Five people have died in protests in Kandahar against the burning of a copy of the Koran, a day after an attack prompted by the incident left at least 12 people dead, including seven UN staff.

There are not words strong enough that I can use to show my disgust for what this so called Pastor had done. Pastor Jones agreed to not burn the the Koran last year because the Imam who was going to build the Muslim educational center (the so called Mosque) said he would move it. According to Jones this would please God. What the hell is that? I don't know about God but the damage was done and warnings had gone out to all Americans everywhere not just to the soldiers as the Taliban have weighed in along with Robert Gates.

I am really concerned for my sons in combat still. Hell the Bible like the Koran can be interpreted to justify killing. I wish we would just leave those fools to their own demise.

I thought I better remind us of just a little of what we have done to Muslims to deserve their ire:

Remember the Swiss ban on Minarets The minaret was a political symbol against integration; a symbol more of segregation and first above all a symbol to try to introduce Sharia law parallel to Swiss rights. That sounds insane but it went directly to the paranoid citizens and they voted to outlaw the Minaret.

IRAN: Outrage, and a warning, over Swiss vote to ban minarets

Libya follows Iran in warning against Swiss minaret ban

Bishop of Arabia dismayed by minaret ban in Swiss homeland

Remember the Danish cartoons about Muhammad printed almost 5 years ago? Here they are

Remember the French headscarf ban after dozens of Muslim school girls were expelled for refusing to remove their head scarf To the French it is a sign of oppression but who cares what they think? Their desire to ban it altogether?

Remember Salman Rushdie, who went into hiding under threat of death after an Iranian fatwa, was knighted by the Queen? Muslim's wanted his head and he had to go into hiding

You know I have written often of my disgust with those who said we did nothing to deserve 9/11 or anything that has happened before and since. We more than asked for everything we got. Remember the Berlin conference Berlin Conference of 1884-1885 to Divide Africa

India and Pakistan being ad hoc divided by Britain



James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Burn a Koran pastor responsible for Islamist killings of UN workers says it's not my fault, DUH!

Quran-burning protests spread to Kandahar; 9 dead,Today this is getting worse and there is 20 dead. That fffing Jones!


Fla. Pastor denies responsibility for Afghan killings

Five Die In Second Koran burning Protest as Five people have died in protests in Kandahar against the burning of a copy of the Koran, a day after an attack prompted by the incident left at least 12 people dead, including seven UN staff.

There are not words strong enough that I can use to show my disgust for what this so called Pastor has done. Pastor Jones agreed to not burn the the Koran last year because the Imam who was going to build the Muslim educational center (the so called Mosque) said he would move it. According to Jones this would please God. What the hell is that? I don't know about God but the damage was done and warnings have gone out to all Americans everywhere not just to the soldiers as the Taliban have weighed in along with Robert Gates.

I am really concerned for my sons in combat still. Just the talk of this has only hurt us more and motivated other Muslims to take action against us and our troops. This is really going to piss off all those so called terrorists and guarantee many more. I am really concerned for our troops. I refuse to believe that isn’t Religious terrorism. That FFing idiot! I’m sure he’d be pissed if they burned the Bible. Hell the Bible like the Koran can be interpreted to justify killing. That ass refuses to repent, man I hope someone puts him to sleep!

I thought I better remind us of just a little of what we have done to Muslims to deserve their ire: The final insult we said last year would have been burning the Koran. Well the frigging idiot did it and he says the ensuing rampage is not his fault and it is our responsibility to protect UN staff, our soldiers, and others, from angry Islamists. They have no more sense than the idiot who burned the Koran. WTF?

Remember the Swiss ban on Minarets

IRAN: Outrage, and a warning, over Swiss vote to ban minarets

Libya follows Iran in warning against Swiss minaret ban

Bishop of Arabia dismayed by minaret ban in Swiss homeland

Remember the Danish cartoons about Muhammad printed almost 5 years ago? Here they are

Remember the French headscarf ban after dozens of Muslim school girls were expelled for refusing to remove their head scarfs? to the French it is a sign of oppression but who cares what they think?Their desire to ban it altogether?

Remember Salman Rushdie, who went into hiding under threat of death after an Iranian fatwa, was knighted by the Queen? Muslim's wanted his head and he had to go into hiding

You know I have written often of my disgust with those who said we did nothing to deserve 9/11 or anything that has happened before and since. We more than asked for everything we got. Remember the Berlin conference Berlin Conference of 1884-1885 to Divide Africa

India and Pakistan being ad hoc divided by Britain

The forming of Israel, Bush’s failed Middle East Democratization program. We asked for everything we get and we just keep instigating at every opportunity. I just don’t get it unless…

What the hell is wrong with us? I have an atheist friend who brought up the fact that Muslims don't try to push their Religion on others but all types of Christians do. Why is that? This non-denominational Dove World Outreach Center, which has in the past joined the extremist Westboro Baptist Church in protesting homosexuality burned the Koran to oppose Islam, which it sees as a “violent and oppressive religion.” In many instances it is but it is the abusive interpretation that is the problem.We knew it would be the final straw and we purposely gave it to them. What's next?



James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

International Burn A Quran Day controversey: Damage done, what's next?

 Okay, Pastor Jones agreed to not burn the the Koran because the Imam who was going to build the Muslim educational center (the so called Mosque) said he would move it. According to Jones this would please God. What the hell is that? I don't know about God but the damage was done and warnings have gone out to all Americans everywhere not just to the soldiers as the Taliban have weighed in along with Robert Gates.

That Pastor is a jerk and has zero credence so we have to wait and see but Donald Trump does have credence and offered 25% more than the current owners paid if the so called mosque would be built 5 blocks away. I also heard from the developers that plans to build the center have not been changed. WTF? The deals are on the deals are off, what the hell? The damage is done anyway!

I am really concerned for my sons in combat still. Just the talk of this has only hurt us more and motivated other Muslims to take action against us and our troops. This is really going to piss off all those so called terrorists and guarantee many more. I am really concerned for our troops. I refuse to believe that isn’t Religious terrorism. That FFing idiot! I’m sure he’d be pissed if they burned the Bible. Hell the Bible like the Koran can be interpreted to justify killing. That ass refuses to relent, man I hope someone puts him to sleep first!

The 9/11 anniversary is tomorrow so I thought I better remind us of just a little of what we have done to Muslims to deserve their ire: The final insult would have been burning the Koran.
Remember the Swiss ban on Minarets

IRAN: Outrage, and a warning, over Swiss vote to ban minarets

Libya follows Iran in warning against Swiss minaret ban

Bishop of Arabia dismayed by minaret ban in Swiss homeland

Remember the Danish cartoons about Muhammad printed almost 4 years ago? Here they are

Remember the French headscarf ban after dozens of Muslim school girls were expelled for refusing to remove their headscarfs? to the French it is a sign of oppression but who cares what they think? Their desire to ban it altogether?

Remember Salman Rushdie, who went into hiding under threat of death after an Iranian fatwa, was knighted by the Queen? Muslim's wanted his head and he had to go into hiding

You know I have written often of my disgust with those who said we did nothing to deserve 9/11 or anything that has happened before and since. We more than asked for everything we got. Remember the Berlin conference Berlin Conference of 1884-1885 to Divide Africa

India and Pakistan being ad hoc divided by Britain The forming of Israel, Bush’s failed Middle East Democratization program. We asked for everything we get and we just keep instigating at every opportunity. I just don’t get it unless…

What the hell is wrong with us? I have an atheist friend who just yesterday brought up the fact that Muslims don't try to push their Religion on others but all types of Christians do. Why is that? This non-denominational Dove World Outreach Center, which has in the past joined the extremist Westboro Baptist Church in protesting homosexuality was organizing the “International Burn A Koran Day” to oppose Islam, which it sees as a “violent and oppressive religion.” In many instances it is but it is the abusive interpretation that is the problem.

The high world wide attention giving to the threat of burning the Koran in America will be another recruiting tool for Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and all Islamists looking to destroy us. What the hell is wrong with people? That Pastor Jones had a sign on his church in Cologne Germany calling the Mayor a homo, he was kicked out of the Church for stealing money, his daughter said the church was a cult, and that fruit loops warnings of a Muslim takeover of the world predates 9/11.


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

International Burn A Quran Day will be another recruiting tool for Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and all Islamists looking to destroy us

The final insult will be the Florida church that plans to publicly burn copies of the Quran on the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, prompting threats from Islamic groups and warnings the move will trigger a rise in hate crimes. That will definitely blow things open and create a nightmare for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Fla. Church Plans 'Burn a Quran' Day to Mark 9/11

Remember the Swiss ban on Minarets

IRAN: Outrage, and a warning, over Swiss vote to ban minarets

Libya follows Iran in warning against Swiss minaret ban

Bishop of Arabia dismayed by minaret ban in Swiss homeland

Remember the Danish cartoons about Muhammad printed almost 4 years ago? Here they are

Remember the French headscarf ban after dozens of Muslim school girls were expelled for refusing to remove their headscarfs? to the French it is a sign of oppression but who cares what they think? Their desire to ban it altogether?

Remember Salman Rushdie, who went into hiding under threat of death after an Iranian fatwa, was knighted by the Queen? Muslim's wanted his head and he had to go into hiding

You know I have written often of my disgust with those who said we did nothing to deserve 9/11 or anything that has happened before and since. We more than asked for everything we got. Remember the Berlin conference Berlin Conference of 1884-1885 to Divide Africa

India and Pakistan being ad hoc divided by Britain The forming of Israel, Bush’s failed Middle East Democratization program. We asked for everything we get and we just keep instigating at every opportunity. I just don’t get it unless…

What the hell is wrong with us? I have an atheist friend who just yesterday brought up the fact that Muslims don't try to push their Religion on others but all types of Christians do. Why is that? This non-denominational Dove World Outreach Center, which has in the past joined the extremist Westboro Baptist Church in protesting homosexuality is organizing the “International Burn A Quran Day” to oppose Islam, which it sees as a “violent and oppressive religion.” In many instances it is but it is the abusive interpretation that is the problem. Burning the Quran will be another recruiting tool for Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and all Islamists looking to destroy us. What the hell is wrong with people?


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Tax payers "you and I" are paying the Taliban not to kill us with our Taxes!

I just heard Main stream media discussing that our tax dollars are being used to pay off the Taliban we are fighting. I always say once they make an issue of something it is too late late. This being no exception I dug up what we discussed last November:

That really peeves me! We talk about corruption in Afghanistan and the Afghan Government. We have discussed often about corrupt President Karzai his corrupt Government, and his drug lord brother being on the CIA payroll. Now we are finding out private security is paying of the Taliban not to blow up our equipment and to not kill us.

First I want to say I guess we are not paying them enough. This is sick! Drugs and corruption seem to be Afghanistan's main industry! Think about the scope of this and the future ramifications as this so called terrorism progresses around the world. We are setting a very dangerous precedent.

I was stunned to find out if we do not pay the Taliban their bribes they blow up bridges kidnap people and generally create mayhem until they do receive their kickbacks. Also the Taliban actually keeps an office in Kabul to review major deals, determine percentages and conduct negotiations. That absolutely amazes me! Is the Taliban Getting a Cut of U.S. Aid? - World Watch - CBS News

Obama is looking at paying off the 70% of the Taliban who are not considered hard core and will switch sides for money as we have heard, They are called the $10 a day Taliban and with 15,000 of them costing $300,000 that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the 165 million per day we are paying to fight this war. Obama prepared to pay off the Taliban

We are paying off the Taliban not to kill us, the Government is totally corrupt, And they do not want to cooperate or fight for their country, no wonder Obama is stymied as to what to do next. I am not! Get us the hell out of this mess in an honorable withdrawal with heads held high. Our troops did their job, the Al Qaeda is gone! Afghani’s do not want us there, they do not want a Democracy, nor do they want a central Government.

* In closing: To top everything off trucking firms use DOD cash to pay off the Taliban, the US pays off the enemy not to attack convoys, Karzai cousins control the key routes to Kandahar, and we are now 9 years into this with no end in sight. Unless we bite the bullet and just get the hell out as our job of defeating Al Qaeda is accomplished we are going to be added to the roster in the graveyard of nations.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Tax payers "you and I" are paying the Taliban not to kill us with our Taxes!

That really peeves me! We talk about corruption in Afghanistan and the Afghan Government. We have discussed often about corrupt President Karzai his corrupt Government, and his drug lord brother being on the CIA payroll. Now we are finding out private security is paying of the Taliban not to blow up our equipment and to not kill us.

First I want to say I guess we are not paying them enough. This is sick! Drugs and corruption seem to be Afghanistan's main industry! Think about the scope of this and the future ramifications as this so called terrorism progresses around the world. We are setting a very dangerous precedent.

I was stunned to find out if we do not pay the Taliban their bribes they blow up bridges kidnap people and generally create mayhem until they do receive their kickbacks. Also the Taliban actually keeps an office in Kabul to review major deals, determine percentages and conduct negotiations. That absolutely amazes me! Is the Taliban Getting a Cut of U.S. Aid? - World Watch - CBS News

Obama is looking at paying off the 70% of the Taliban who are not considered hard core and will switch sides for money as we have heard, They are called the $10 a day Taliban and with 15,000 of them costing $300,000 that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the 165 million per day we are paying to fight this war. Obama prepared to pay off the Taliban

We are paying off the Taliban not to kill us, the Government is totally corrupt, And they do not want to cooperate or fight for their country, no wonder Obama is stymied as to what to do next. I am not! Get us the hell out of this mess in an honorable withdrawal with heads held high. Our troops did their job, the Al Qaeda is gone! Afghani’s do not want us there, they do not want a Democracy, nor do they want a central Government.

* In closing: To top everything off trucking firms use DOD cash to pay off the Taliban, the US pays off the enemy not to attack convoys, Karzai cousins control the key routes to Kandahar, and we are approaching the 9th year with no end in sight unless we listen to Max Cleland, Mikhail Gorbachev, and Ambassador Eikenberry and withdraw. The chorus is growing!




James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Q+A of future Civilian casualties in Afghanistan US troops storm Afghan hospital in the latest effort to win hearts and minds!

Q+A of future Civilian casualties in Afghanistan

US troops storm Afghan hospital in the latest effort to win hearts and minds! I hate to say it but a hospital can not be sacred ground it ca not be a safe haven for the Taliban as you know it would be. We must have the ability to check every possibility be it hospital or morgue. At any rate I am sure it will not help our image and will be played to the hilt as we continue to lose the so called war for hearts and minds!

I hate to say it but with destruction of of the cities on the increase and rising civilian deaths seems to be beating us in the war to win hearts and minds too! The more we try to minimize civilian deaths the more the Taliban keep them underfoot and the more we are killing them for the Talban. We are killing them with "kindness"

At this point like it or not we better realize it is time to take the gloves off. Respect for "tradition" is used against us as the"brave" Taliban dress as women to hide and escape or hide in places reserved for women only. yes they hide in hospitals and areas of the hospital that are by tradition for women only. I am sure they figured it all out by themselves but the Palestinians set the standard. They set the example for the rest of the "extremists" to follow.

Hiding behind civilians and in hospitals and schools was the routine and capitalized on by the Palestinians and went on until the citizens tired of the deadly game and took matters into their own hands as the Afghan citizens must. Pakistanis also did it and still are fighting bravely. As the Taliban are these extremists kill their own in the name of God!

Any traditional war zone respect of any sort must not be abused but must temporarily go by the road side. As we hear so often this is not a traditional war if there is any such thing. Our enemy has no rules just kill the infidels "us" and sacrificing their own people in any manner is a goal not something to avoid as their new "code of conduct" states.

We in turn are forced by the Taliban at least to temporarily disregard their traditions when they offer protection for cowardly Taliban. We must however be a respectful as possible but to do the job right we must leave no tradition unchecked. We can not put female soldiers in a situation like this nor do we have the available women to spare so despite it being disrespectful to have men or soldiers in many "female" areas of the hospital it simply has to be acceptable and tolerated. US troops storm Afghan hospital

* In closing let the complaints continue As long as we are there we have a job to do and sadly we are forced to ignore some customs to do the job right. Sadly civilians will continue to die! That is why we must leave ASAP. The Taliban will continue to kill civilians as they were before we invaded under Sharia Law but at least it will not be us.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com

Kabul under attack! This is the only safe city in Afghanistan?

Taliban code of conduct



NATO convoy attacked outside Kabul 7 civilians killed many wounded. It is a good thing the Taliban puts civilian safety first. Remember Mullah Omar's code of conduct! Taliban issues code of conduct that tells fighters to limit suicide attacks and avoid civilian deaths Good thing huh?

Multiple rockets fired in Kabul dead and dying everywhere Good thing those civilians matter!

violence will get worse as promised by head of UN commission Despite the uptick in violence and the stifling heat people by the thousands still risk life and limb to listen to popular Presidential rival Abdullah Abdullah.

Taliban publicly execute woman

Kabul under attack Everything important is being hit, Presidential Palace, Government headquarters, police headquarters, supply lines. Good thing Kabul is the only secure city in Afghanistan. Yeah right! What do you think about those upcoming elections and the security of the people now?

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

I will talk survival tomorrow,This is Big! Taliban leaders holding Saudi-brokered talks with Afghan government to end country's bloody conflict!

Taliban leaders are holding Saudi-brokered talks with the Afghan government to end the country's bloody conflict -- and are severing their ties with al Qaeda, sources close to the historic discussions have told CNN. The militia, which has been intensifying its attacks on the U.S.-led coalition that toppled it from power in 2001 for harboring Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, has been involved four days of talks hosted by Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah, says the source. The talks -- the first of their kind aimed at resolving the lengthy conflict in Afghanistan -- mark a significant move by the Saudi leadership to take a direct role in Afghanistan, hosting delegates who have until recently been their enemies.

They also mark a sidestepping of key "war on terror" ally Pakistan, frequently accused of not doing enough to tackle militants sheltering on its territory, which has previously been a conduit for talks between the Saudis and Afghanistan. According to the source, fugitive Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar -- high on the U.S. military's most-wanted list -- was not present, but his representatives were keen to stress the reclusive cleric is no longer allied to al Qaeda. Details of the Taliban leader's split with al Qaeda have never been made public before, but the new claims confirm what another source with an intimate knowledge of the militia and Mullah Omar has told CNN in the past. The current round of talks, said to have been taken two years of intense behind-the-scenes negotiations to come to fruition, is anticipated to be the first step in a long process to secure a negotiated end to the conflict. But U.S.- and Europe-friendly Saudi Arabia's involvement has been propelled by a mounting death toll among coalition troops amid a worsening violence that has also claimed many civilian casualties.

A Saudi source familiar with the talks confirmed that they happened and said the Saudis take seriously their role in facilitating discussions between parties to the conflict. A second round of talks is scheduled to take place in two months, the Saudi source said. The Afghan government believes the Taliban cannot be defeated militarily, and the Taliban believe that they can't win a war against the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan, the Saudi source said. The involvement of the Saudis is also seen as an expression of fear that Iran could take advantage of U.S. failings in Afghanistan, as it is seen to be doing in Iraq. Several Afghan sources familiar with Iranian activities in Afghanistan have said Iranian officials and diplomats who are investing in business and building education facilities are lobbying politicians in Kabul. Fast breaking, dialogue, not fighting this is big

I wanted to discuss our current created crisis but will try to do it tomorrow though things are extremely hectic as you know with me right now. This is all too important and must be discussed amongst us! I really have to wonder if the facade of peace in Iraq and now in Afghanistan is only to get us to leave so they can then turn on each other as I have been saying all along!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com