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After a traumatic few days with both party's blaming the other for the rhetoric we have all been hearing from day one. We as a Nation needed President Obama's healing speech. Limbaugh and Beck along with Hannity and the rest of them fed this too as you know and the Republicans said nothing and used it to get elected. They are all responsible.Both sides are scared to the point where I see a second term for President Obama and they know they must respond positively to President Obama's message of hope.
Obama's message of hope and to stop the blame game, we can be better really resonated because "yes we can" The political games will continue but we as a people can come together. He use to be criticized by the right for saying we can be better and for putting down America which was not what he was doing but largely due to them we can be better and we must move forward and come together.
America is sharply divided and as you know it is not just our politics. Republicans have purposely instigated a huge rise in anti Government militia around the nation wanting to take down the Government.
Obama's speech went a long way "if not all the way"in healing sharply polarized divisions for our own good because we are coming apart at the seams. President Obama found the right words in his moral, in his call to unity, as he always does in his speeches. The difference is I believe both sides agree with what he said as they must if we are to heal as a Nation. Barack Obama's Tucson speech rose to the moment and transcended it Obama to Americans: 'We can be better' Yes we can!
Udall: 2 others back State of Union show of unity Traditionally they sit on 2 sides of the aisle while one side stood up and cheered the other sat somber and stone faced. Time to come together for America. Time to show unity! Remember when 9/11 was used by those on the right to accuse Democrats of not being Patriotic and loving America if they did not back everything President Bush and Republicans wanted? Well this is his 9/11 moment!
After a traumatic few days with both party's blaming the other for the rhetoric we have all been hearing from day one. We as a Nation needed President Obama's healing speech. Limbaugh and Beck along with Hannity and the rest of them fed this too as you know and the Republicans said nothing and used it to get elected. They are all responsible.Both sides are scared to the point where I see a second term for President Obama and they know they must respond positively to President Obama's message of hope.
Obama's message of hope and to stop the blame game, we can be better really resonated because "yes we can" The political games will continue but we as a people can come together. He use to be criticized by the right for saying we can be better and for putting down America which was not what he was doing but largely due to them we can be better and we must move forward and come together.
America is sharply divided and as you know it is not just our politics. Republicans have purposely instigated a huge rise in anti Government militia around the nation wanting to take down the Government.
Obama's speech went a long way "if not all the way"in healing sharply polarized divisions for our own good because we are coming apart at the seams. President Obama found the right words in his moral, in his call to unity, as he always does in his speeches. The difference is I believe both sides agree with what he said as they must if we are to heal as a Nation. Barack Obama's Tucson speech rose to the moment and transcended it Obama to Americans: 'We can be better' Yes we can!
I have discussed in the past that I have a good friend and I will invite you all to read his many works as he has touched us all and is known around the world. He is known on line as The Relentless Liberal
His real name is Jerome Grossman, oh yeah he is 93 and he is behind the Vietnam Moratorium, the Council for a livable world, America's nuclear nonproliferation program, and many more programs and foundation's that touch us all.
His latest discussion was on how to Federally control weapons to prevent another Tucson from happening and please read his knowledgeable dissertation Here However there is no way to control weapons are to prevent another and worse massacre as living conditions worsen and they will.
They say no one is suggesting a correlation to joblessness and violence but on this scale there is one and don't forget homelessness and lack of health care. Also this condition breeds war. I accused G W of doing this on purpose as a way of driving men to the military back in 07 when we were having a problem filling the ranks. Right now the military is so full the marines and Navy are being forced to cut. Why the Tucson massacre is destined to happen again
Guns and other lethal weapons will never be controlled here in the United States because of the multiple millions on the streets controlled illegally and purchased on the dark side. Another problem is the gun shows where purchase is supposed to be controlled but too often is done under the table and to any mad man willing to pay.
You know how it goes, the right thing is never done only what serves one interest or the other. Everyone thinks it is their right to do what they want and they will not give that perceived right to the federal Government though in a perfect world I think they should. Regardless of knee jerk reactions or anything they do the slaughter in Tucson will happen again as people get more hopeless and weapons will be available regardless.
Everybody involved on the right are trying to step back and both parties are blaming each other and trying to claim the high ground but the truth is Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Bachmann, even McConnell and Boehner have fed the feelings of futility and hopelessness that are acted on by people already on an uneven keel. When I was a kid we had institutes for the mentally unstable and they were controlled. Today they roam the streets freely.
Amidst still worsening living and financial conditions the already unstable are going to act out violently whether prodded by Political games or not. Trying to fear monger about peoples living conditions today or possibility of it worsening in the future is a reality already. Whatever Politicians say try or promise this is just beginning and will get worse.
Remember Tea partier Michelle Bachmann saying liberty will be refreshed in our country ? That was a rewrite in code of Thomas Jefferson: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" Now we are seeing the awful fruit of all the instigation by Bachmann, Palin, and others to Rile the people against the Government and pick up arms. We have been seeing since Obama was elected so called lone wolfs killing cops and performing acts of violence against the Government and the so called main stream Republicans did nothing to reel this in. Vitriol' in politics cited as U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords remains in critical condition after a shooting rampage at a Tucson shopping center that has shaken the nation
Instead they whipped up the fervor to use it to get themselves elected. Now they see the horror they have unleashed against Democrats and the country and fear for themselves but this is not going to be quieted gently. Within minutes of the first reports Saturday that Representative Gabrielle Giffords, an Arizona Democrat, and a score of people with her had been shot in Tucson, pages began disappearing from the Web.
One was Sarah Palin’s infamous “cross hairs” map from last year, which showed a series of contested Congressional districts, including Ms. Gifford's, with gun targets trained on them.A Turning Point in the Discourse but in which direction?
Is it just a coincidence that this horrible event against one of our few fine well intentioned elected officials happened in Arizona? I think not! I have a couple of gun toting brothers who now call Arizona home. One happens to live in Tucson down the street from where this happened. The other is in the Government in Kingman. He thought it was okay to carry weapons at events like this and I was afraid something like this would happen and now it has. I wonder what he thinks now?
Arizona has become the hotbed for anti Government nutcases the way Florida has become the hotbed for child molesters and perverts. Anyway it is too late but so called lawmakers on Sunday called for toning down of the political rhetoric in Washington and across the country after a shooting in Tucson. Speaking to CNN Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois said "We live in a world of violent images and violent words, but those of us in public life and the journalists who cover us should be thoughtful in response to this and try to bring down the rhetoric, which I'm afraid has become pervasive in our discussion of political issues," Republicans should have paid heed to this before!
Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tennessee, told CNN, "We have to be very careful about imputing the motives or the actions of a deranged individual to any particular group of Americans who have their own political beliefs." He added, "We ought to cool it, tone it down, treat each other with great respect, respect each other's ideas and even on difficult issues like immigration or taxes or health care law, do our best not to inflame passions." It is too frigging late, they have been instigating these so called lone wolf's since Obama was elected.
Other lawmakers from both sides of the aisle echoed those comments across the Sunday political talk shows. Their message: While the motivation of the gunman remains unknown, it is time to dial back the fury that has overtaken so much of the U.S. political discourse. "This ought to be a wake-up call to not only the members of Congress but to the people of this country that we are headed in the wrong direction," said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Missouri, on NBC's "Meet the Press." "Congress meets a lot but it rarely comes together."
He added, "We've got to watch what we say, and we're not doing it. It starts in campaigns." We all knew it and have been warning but we do not matter and we all know it takes two sides to Tango!
While not stating a motive for the shootings, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik in Tucson used a nationally televised press conference to condemn the tone of political discourse in his state. He charged that public debate is now "vitriolic rhetoric" that has rendered Arizona "the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."
Dupnik suggested that such rhetoric can have deadly consequences."We need to do some soul searching," Dupnik told reporters. "It's the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business. "When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this county is getting to be outrageous. Unfortunately, Arizona, I think, has become sort of the capital," Dupnik, a Democrat, continued.
"We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry," he said. Arizona is a Republican stronghold where the party members hold a two-thirds majority in both chambers of the legislature and occupy the governor's office.
"People who are unbalanced may be especially susceptible to vitriol," Dupnik said. "It's not unusual for all public officials to get threatened constantly, myself included. That's the sad thing that's going on in America. Pretty soon we're not going to be able to find reasonable people to subject themselves to serving the public." Lawmakers say it is time to cool the political Rhetoric It is too late Republicans did their damage!
* In closing: The Sheriff of Pina County is right , Arizona is the countries breeding ground for bigotry and hate but it has spread throughout the entire country. It is a bit late for mainstream Republicans to ratchet this down but better late than never. We can hope! All votes and talk in the Capital on repealing health care and other contentious issues have been canceled for a week but they will continue eventually. However this shooting of a pro health care Democrat will change everything now!
