Showing posts with label Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Show all posts
Friday, July 27, 2012
Shanghai Cooperation Organization calls for nuclear-weapon-free zone for space. What a joke!
Shanghai Cooperation Organization calls for nuclear-weapon-free zone, space security because they think they are prepared to dominate the coming space war. This is not a new concept actually but one touted by Russia China and the United States as each clandestinely or so they think, prepares to dominate the others in a space war.
SCO calls for nuclear-weapon-free zone, space security: Member states of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) called for the establishment of a nuclear-weapon-free zone in central Asia in a declaration released after the conclusion of the group's Beijing summit on Thursday.
All member states stand for ensuring outer space security, peaceful use of outer space and prevention the weaponization of outer space, said declaration of the heads of state of the member states of the SCO. Member states will work to build a peaceful, secure, fair and open information space, on the basis of the principles of respect for state sovereignty and non-interference in other countries' internal affairs, according to the declaration.
That space war China and Russia didn't want is well on its way and will not be good for the U.S. You know without our satellite security Veil our entire military and intelligence system is absolutely worthless. "dead in the water".
Why should we care? Knowing China has been endeavoring in secret for 10 to 20 years for the ability to take down our Satellite system. China and Russia's combined ability in the area of satellite destruction can not be ignored.
A couple years back as worldwide attention focused on China’s first successful anti-satellite missile test, U.S. officials were questioning why some Chinese spacecraft are in orbits that bring them close to key U.S. satellites, according to military sources.
The big question is the scale and progress of the Chinese anti-satellite program, including whether the Chinese spacecraft are benign or time bombs that can someday be used to threaten the space assets on which the U.S. military and economy depend for everything from reconnaissance and dropping bombs to logistics, communications and navigation.
The Chinese spacecraft don't appear to be conducting any particular mission. Rather, "there is a menu of missions that could be performed that we are not yet clear about," said one source.
From what I understand, China has been attempting to develop anti satellite capabilities for some 20 odd years in response to our growing dominance of space and in a desire to counter our overwhelming military satellite superiority.
That destruction of a Chinese satellite by one of there missiles despite China saying it was innocent was anything but and was a direct warning and shot across our bow.
I hope we are all concerned that this is just a small sign that there is in fact a space war that now includes the U.S. on one side and China and Russia on the other. In light of what is preparing to happen. You should be very concerned. By international convention, a physical attack on a nation’s satellites is considered an act of war.
To date to my knowledge there has been no physical attack but the U.S. is expressing concern as to why China's satellites are simply hovering so close to ours? One air force program has as its public mission a desire to demonstrate the ability to maneuver on orbit and autonomously rendezvous with orbiting satellites. Critics say that such a maneuverable spacecraft could be used to ram enemy spacecraft or attack them with weapons.
A report that I posted once may have been missed as it was a small part of a larger story I will repost as part of this story, to show we are lagging behind and China has already in possession of this capability. We know that China has been for at least 10 years been developing anti satellite weapons that have to be deployed covertly so that in a crisis with America, China can shoot down some satellites as a deterrent message. You know damn well we have been doing the same thing preparing for that space war neither side wants.
You know it just kills me because both sides deny weaponizing space but neither side will talk about it. Air Force times
I do understand that knocking out big pieces of our defense system is said to be difficult but in light of the following report I think it is possible and we better reevaluate what is getting ready to happen.
From what I believe this entire unfolding war scenario boils down to who has the best C4ISR (command, control, communications, computers Intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance). Neutralizing C4ISR is like cutting off the head of a chicken. It can run around in circles for a while, but will soon collapse and die. The same is true in warfare.
Having the mightiest and most modern armed forces in the world, America prides itself with having the most sophisticated and advanced C4ISR. US military spy satellites can gather intelligence data and disseminate it on a real time basis. US surveillance and reconnaissance satellites are so sophisticated that their sensors can detect objects on Earth as small as one-tenth of a meter in size, from several hundred miles up. Satellite sensors can also penetrate clouds and bad weather or see in the night. Some of these spy satellites can also monitor radio or telephone conversations.
Aside from communications, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, satellites are also used for navigation, most especially in guiding ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, aircraft and other smart weapon systems to their targets. Without satellite guidance, such "smart" and precision weapons turn into "dumb" bombs and directionless missiles.
The advances in C4ISR are rapidly revolutionizing warfare. Gathering, processing, disseminating, and acting on intelligence is now made possible on a real-time or near real-time basis on a global or regional level. Because of these developments, a new war principle is emerging in the modern battlefield: "If the enemy sees you; you are dead."
We are supposed to be far superior to China in our C4ISR capabilities, myself I wouldn't bank on it. China can't hope to catch up to us anytime soon so they have been concentrating their efforts on methods of destroying our aircraft carrier battle groups and most of our weapons systems as well as our communication systems.
For more than two decades they have been busy developing anti-satellite weapons. They have been developing maneuverable nano-satellites that can neutralize other satellites. They do their work by maneuvering near a target satellite and neutralizing the target by electronic jamming, electro-magnetic pulse generation, clinging to the target and physically destroying it, bumping the target out of orbit, or simply exploding to bring the target satellite down with it. I would be very concerned with this especially since I am sure they have been getting help from their military partner Russia.
If all else fails China can attempt to blind our satellites with land based laser systems but then so couldn't we. If worse comes to worst, China can always use its weapon of last resort, destroying adversary satellites with a high-altitude nuclear burst but again so couldn't we. At any rate this is a hell of a mess preparing to unfold and if America's C4ISR was compromised as seems possible America would be brought to its knees. All of this will be done in our environment we are supposedly concerned about as it is severely compromised already. What is wrong with man? We are seemingly preparing to commit Hari Kari in the name of national interest?
5 years ago the U.S. expressly ignored Chinese and Russian calls for a global ban on the development of space weapons.
in the request China calls their satellite shoot down a weapon of peace
Instead, a new policy preserved America's right to develop military space technology, while "dissuading" others. As in every friggen instance it is okay for us to do what we want because we want to dominate but not for anyone else. The ability to use space is vital to U.S. national security, economic and foreign policy interests and we will fight to keep China from creating an even playing field.
Remember when the US and Russian satellites collided above Siberia? US warns of space "dodge ball" after satellite crash
Concern of a space war Russia, China, and the US say they do not want but are all prepared for has long been a concern of mine for a long time for a few reasons. Have you ever heard of Assassins Mace
China's satellites shadowing ours, and now you know Why
How about HAARP Well researched for over 90 years at a cost of many millions! A New York Times story, dated December 8, 1915, describes one of Tesla's more well-known patents, a transmitter that would "project electrical energy in any amount to any distance and apply it for innumerable purposes, both in war and peace."
We know how critical controlling Satellites is to us and our military along with those of our friends and adversaries. that disruption really made me think of how fragile our ability to communicate is. I have said many times that whoever controls space controls the future. Without satellites the worlds militaries are dead in the water, sitting ducks waiting to be picked off!
I am not saying I am concerned that these two satellites colliding was anything more than an "accident" I will wait and see what if anything leaks out but it makes me curios know this happened above Siberia? A Russian and US satellite? What are the chances of 2 satellites colliding and destroying each other? This was a first but... I used to be concerned about the possibility of a space war because whoever owns space owns the battlefield thus the future,
Today's militaries are totally controlled by satellites. No satellites no air Force nukes, nothing. Aircraft carriers and entire navy's would be dead in the water. As I said I have long been concerned of a space war for that reason and because of the resultant millions of pieces of space debris! We would no longer be able to use space, we would be trapped on earth
This collision accidental or not gives me hope. If one collision causes concern as to dodging space junk I have to believe we will more than make every effort to refrain from trapping us on earth.
Mans future: sadly It is in our hands and man can't manage anything. If we have the space war no one supposedly wants but we are prepared for we are all stuck here. HAARP has been in progress for a century, do you remember when a couple years back the entire middle east went dead except for the US and Iraq? That was no accident.
Remember when a Russian and US satellite bumped into each other over Russia. That was no accident either. Read Assassins mace,it is in the link above, not good!
Also remember around 2 years ago when China took down her own satellite to see if they can? Well Russia, China, and the US can and much worse. Just the other day a tiny piece of that junk had us afraid the space station was going to be hit and they were preparing for it.
In a nut shell if they have a space war and destroy each others satellites we are all stuck on mother earth that they are destroying.
So much is made of oil and weapons but whoever owns space owns the future. Take out the satellites and aircraft carriers are dead in the water like the rest of the navy and entire modern military. "the best laid plans of men and mice" All we can do is shake our heads and go for the ride because we do not matter!
As we follow the path of the Roman Empire it will all get worse as it is and those who can pilfer the ship as they are before it sinks as they are every day and we can just watch. What a future huh? AAARRRGGGHHH! Nostradamus gave us two paths into the future, one to peace and prosperity and one to total war and devastation. We are bent on taking the latter.
James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com
Sunday, August 19, 2007
Yesterday I said China and the US would confront each other despite the finance situation, today for contrarians some proof!
Yesterday in response to my saying that China and Russia will come to the aid of Iran when an all out confrontation breaks out between Iran and the US there was the standard group of people who said the US would never endanger the tenuous relationship with their money source and that China would never endanger their primary income source. Well guess what today brings?
First the closing arguments in yesterdays story. Both Moscow and Beijing share a heightening distrust of what they see as the United States' oversized role and influence in global politics, and the two former Cold War rivals have forged a "strategic partnership" aimed at counterbalancing Washington's policies. The Russian-Chinese war games, which took place near the Urals Mountain city of Chelyabinsk, coincided with Russian air force maneuvers involving 20 strategic bombers which ranged far over the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic oceans.
The group of strategic bombers, early warning aircraft, fighter jets and refuel
ing planes represented the biggest show of Russian air power in that region since the early 1990s, said Brig. Gen. Ole Asak, chief of the Norwegian Joint Air Operations Center. NATO in recent years has expanded to include the former Soviet republics of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia as well as the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland.
The Shanghai Cooperation Organization SCO is a regional group dominated by Moscow and Beijing and are obviously on Iran's side. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose country has SCO observer status, attended the summit for the second consecutive year. On Thursday, Ahmadinejad echoed Russia's criticism of U.S. plans to deploy missile interceptors in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic, saying they were a threat to the entire region. http://www.blogger.com/
later Yesterday I learned Dozens of anti-China bills, denouncing China for alleged currency manipulation, illegal subsidizing of exports and violations of intellectual property law, have been circulating in the Senate for months. But since the recent health scares over toothpaste laced with antifreeze and tainted pet food from China, the anti-China sentiment on Capitol Hill has noticeably risen. So much so that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is about to head to China to raise "issues of concern to the U.S. Congress" with Chinese officials, including Chinese Premier Hu Jintao.
The threat of a trade war with China, by far the largest holder of U.S. debt, is serious. If China perceives itself a target, it might in turn levy a harsh tax on American imports, or outright forbid them. Such consequences, though, are not high on the minds of several Congressional committees looking for a way of easing the trade imbalance, which last year reached $233 billion.
The Senate Finance Committee approved a bill, by a 20-1 vote, that would allow the Treasury to take action against China by lowering its standard for identifying currency distortion. Since China stopped pegging its currency to the dollar in 2005, Senators say that the Yuan may have been undervalued by as much as 40%, making American exports to China more expensive and Chinese exports to America cheaper.The Senate Banking Committee has its own China bill, which would also make it harder for the Treasury to avoid labeling China as a currency manipulator.
The feeling is that China must be held accountable for its predatory practices. meanwhile we are watching Russia and China willing to confront us on not only a financial field but in a military field. This confrontation is growing on every front and it will end in as desired, Confrontation.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1647881,00.html
I reiterate It is unbelievable to me to think that Bush does not realize that when all is said and done and the war in the middle east ramps up as Iran and the US go after each other, that Russia and China will step in to help Iran regardless. Bush's drive for war and new middle east order will soon be WW3 and total disorder. Can anyone see this possibly being avoided?
James Joiner Gardner, Ma www.anaveragepatriot.com
First the closing arguments in yesterdays story. Both Moscow and Beijing share a heightening distrust of what they see as the United States' oversized role and influence in global politics, and the two former Cold War rivals have forged a "strategic partnership" aimed at counterbalancing Washington's policies. The Russian-Chinese war games, which took place near the Urals Mountain city of Chelyabinsk, coincided with Russian air force maneuvers involving 20 strategic bombers which ranged far over the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic oceans.
The group of strategic bombers, early warning aircraft, fighter jets and refuel
ing planes represented the biggest show of Russian air power in that region since the early 1990s, said Brig. Gen. Ole Asak, chief of the Norwegian Joint Air Operations Center. NATO in recent years has expanded to include the former Soviet republics of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia as well as the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland.
The Shanghai Cooperation Organization SCO is a regional group dominated by Moscow and Beijing and are obviously on Iran's side. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose country has SCO observer status, attended the summit for the second consecutive year. On Thursday, Ahmadinejad echoed Russia's criticism of U.S. plans to deploy missile interceptors in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic, saying they were a threat to the entire region. http://www.blogger.com/
later Yesterday I learned Dozens of anti-China bills, denouncing China for alleged currency manipulation, illegal subsidizing of exports and violations of intellectual property law, have been circulating in the Senate for months. But since the recent health scares over toothpaste laced with antifreeze and tainted pet food from China, the anti-China sentiment on Capitol Hill has noticeably risen. So much so that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is about to head to China to raise "issues of concern to the U.S. Congress" with Chinese officials, including Chinese Premier Hu Jintao.
The threat of a trade war with China, by far the largest holder of U.S. debt, is serious. If China perceives itself a target, it might in turn levy a harsh tax on American imports, or outright forbid them. Such consequences, though, are not high on the minds of several Congressional committees looking for a way of easing the trade imbalance, which last year reached $233 billion.
The Senate Finance Committee approved a bill, by a 20-1 vote, that would allow the Treasury to take action against China by lowering its standard for identifying currency distortion. Since China stopped pegging its currency to the dollar in 2005, Senators say that the Yuan may have been undervalued by as much as 40%, making American exports to China more expensive and Chinese exports to America cheaper.The Senate Banking Committee has its own China bill, which would also make it harder for the Treasury to avoid labeling China as a currency manipulator.
The feeling is that China must be held accountable for its predatory practices. meanwhile we are watching Russia and China willing to confront us on not only a financial field but in a military field. This confrontation is growing on every front and it will end in as desired, Confrontation.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1647881,00.html
I reiterate It is unbelievable to me to think that Bush does not realize that when all is said and done and the war in the middle east ramps up as Iran and the US go after each other, that Russia and China will step in to help Iran regardless. Bush's drive for war and new middle east order will soon be WW3 and total disorder. Can anyone see this possibly being avoided?
James Joiner Gardner, Ma www.anaveragepatriot.com
Saturday, August 18, 2007
Revolutionary Guard responds as expected, both sides have their excuse at furtherance as China and Russia threaten us!

As he threatens the Revolutionary Guard Could Bush Possibly expect anything else?
It is unbelievable to me to think that Bush does not realize that when all is said and done and the war in the middle east ramps up as Iran and the US go after each other, that Russia and China will step in to help Iran. Bush's drive for war and new middle east order will soon be WW3 and total disorder. Can anyone see this possibly being avoided?
James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com
We have discussed many times that attacking Iran was only one of Bush's original goals when he used 9/11 and terrorism as his excuse to divert from the so called war on terror in Afghanistan to attack Iraq in order to get our military back in the middle east and that he would not leave Iraq and its Bush created civil war until he could find that excuse.
We also said that when all is said and done we would be facing Russia and China amongst others. It is all coming to fruition! Bush now has his excuse to go after Iran, we have Russia reasserting its presence in Syria with the reopening of a long closed naval Base and Russia and China are holding additional joint military exercises and tossing thinly veiled warnings to the US. This is all really beginning to ramp up and I do not see any way to avoid it as all sides think they can win their way militarily. The entire world will be the losers.
Recent events to this end: Last Wednesday we talked about the fact that Bush finally had his reason to do his half in further instigating a furtherance of the Iraq war that will be a middle east war before it encompasses the entire world.
The United States has named Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist group. The IRGC, with 200,000 soldiers, controls large parts of the Iranian economy and was believed to have assets in Europe. It is the first time the U.S. has put a foreign government's military agency on the list, which includes the Al Qaeda network and the militant groups Hamas and Hezbollah. The estimated 200,000-strong Revolutionary Guards is an elite force separate from Iran's regular military and has its own ground, naval and air units.
I saw this as a direct threat to Iran. Well of course the expected response is now given from a senior cleric and a Revolutionary Guard leader. IE: The U.S. move to blacklist Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist group will be a matter of pride for the organization said a senior Iranian cleric in the official weekly sermon on Friday. Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami who does not hold a government post but once a month delivers the official Friday prayer sermon, told thousands of worshippers at Tehran University in a speech broadcast on radio that the designation showed that the Guards were doing something right.
"I believe the U.S. decision for including the Guards in the list of terrorist organizations is an honor and a golden card in their file," he said. "Whenever your enemy is saying something bad about an organization, it shows that the organization has been effective," he added.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293629,00.html
That tells me that the Revolutionary guard is a lot more involved in Iraq than is being admitted. Then the Guard is heard from giving the expected response.
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards said they would not bow to pressure and threatened to "punch" the U.S., in their first response to Washington's plan to list them as a terrorist organization, newspapers reported Saturday. Local press in the Iranian capital of Tehran quoted Revolutionary Guards leader Gen. Yahya Rahim Safavi saying that he could understand Washington's ire toward the group because of their "leverage" against the U.S.
"America will receive a heavier punch from the guards in the future," he was quoted as saying in the conservative daily Kayhan. "We will never remain silent in the face of U.S. pressure and we will use our leverage against them."
http://www.cnn.com/...
Those are the responses you would expect as both sides now have their excuse to further instigate an all out confrontation that will encompass the entire middle east and then the world. Many of us have said numerous times in our conversations that this entire mess is just getting started and before all is said and done we will also be facing at the least, Russia and China. Now they are threatening!
Both Moscow and Beijing share a heightening distrust of what they see as the United States' oversized role and influence in global politics, and the two former Cold War rivals have forged a "strategic partnership" aimed at counterbalancing Washington's policies. The Russian-Chinese war games, which took place near the Urals Mountain city of Chelyabinsk, coincided with Russian air force maneuvers involving 20 strategic bombers which ranged far over the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic oceans.
The group of strategic bombers, early warning aircraft, fighter jets and refueling planes represented the biggest show of Russian air power in that region since the early 1990s, said Brig. Gen. Ole Asak, chief of the Norwegian Joint Air Operations Center. NATO in recent years has expanded to include the former Soviet republics of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia as well as the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland.
We also said that when all is said and done we would be facing Russia and China amongst others. It is all coming to fruition! Bush now has his excuse to go after Iran, we have Russia reasserting its presence in Syria with the reopening of a long closed naval Base and Russia and China are holding additional joint military exercises and tossing thinly veiled warnings to the US. This is all really beginning to ramp up and I do not see any way to avoid it as all sides think they can win their way militarily. The entire world will be the losers.
Recent events to this end: Last Wednesday we talked about the fact that Bush finally had his reason to do his half in further instigating a furtherance of the Iraq war that will be a middle east war before it encompasses the entire world.
The United States has named Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist group. The IRGC, with 200,000 soldiers, controls large parts of the Iranian economy and was believed to have assets in Europe. It is the first time the U.S. has put a foreign government's military agency on the list, which includes the Al Qaeda network and the militant groups Hamas and Hezbollah. The estimated 200,000-strong Revolutionary Guards is an elite force separate from Iran's regular military and has its own ground, naval and air units.
I saw this as a direct threat to Iran. Well of course the expected response is now given from a senior cleric and a Revolutionary Guard leader. IE: The U.S. move to blacklist Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist group will be a matter of pride for the organization said a senior Iranian cleric in the official weekly sermon on Friday. Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami who does not hold a government post but once a month delivers the official Friday prayer sermon, told thousands of worshippers at Tehran University in a speech broadcast on radio that the designation showed that the Guards were doing something right.
"I believe the U.S. decision for including the Guards in the list of terrorist organizations is an honor and a golden card in their file," he said. "Whenever your enemy is saying something bad about an organization, it shows that the organization has been effective," he added.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293629,00.html
That tells me that the Revolutionary guard is a lot more involved in Iraq than is being admitted. Then the Guard is heard from giving the expected response.
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards said they would not bow to pressure and threatened to "punch" the U.S., in their first response to Washington's plan to list them as a terrorist organization, newspapers reported Saturday. Local press in the Iranian capital of Tehran quoted Revolutionary Guards leader Gen. Yahya Rahim Safavi saying that he could understand Washington's ire toward the group because of their "leverage" against the U.S.
"America will receive a heavier punch from the guards in the future," he was quoted as saying in the conservative daily Kayhan. "We will never remain silent in the face of U.S. pressure and we will use our leverage against them."
http://www.cnn.com/...
Those are the responses you would expect as both sides now have their excuse to further instigate an all out confrontation that will encompass the entire middle east and then the world. Many of us have said numerous times in our conversations that this entire mess is just getting started and before all is said and done we will also be facing at the least, Russia and China. Now they are threatening!
Both Moscow and Beijing share a heightening distrust of what they see as the United States' oversized role and influence in global politics, and the two former Cold War rivals have forged a "strategic partnership" aimed at counterbalancing Washington's policies. The Russian-Chinese war games, which took place near the Urals Mountain city of Chelyabinsk, coincided with Russian air force maneuvers involving 20 strategic bombers which ranged far over the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic oceans.
The group of strategic bombers, early warning aircraft, fighter jets and refueling planes represented the biggest show of Russian air power in that region since the early 1990s, said Brig. Gen. Ole Asak, chief of the Norwegian Joint Air Operations Center. NATO in recent years has expanded to include the former Soviet republics of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia as well as the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland.
The Shanghai Cooperation Organization SCO is a regional group dominated by Moscow and Beijing and are obviously on Iran's side. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose country has SCO observer status, attended the summit for the second consecutive year. On Thursday, Ahmadinejad echoed Russia's criticism of U.S. plans to deploy missile interceptors in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic, saying they were a threat to the entire region.
It is unbelievable to me to think that Bush does not realize that when all is said and done and the war in the middle east ramps up as Iran and the US go after each other, that Russia and China will step in to help Iran. Bush's drive for war and new middle east order will soon be WW3 and total disorder. Can anyone see this possibly being avoided?
James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com
Subscribe to:
Posts (Atom)
