Bushes Brain The career liar Karl Rove critiizes Hillaries brain?

Hillary's Brain: A New Classic of American Sleazance Fiction from Karl Rove: If Karl Rove hoped to generate some chatter with his cheap shot at Hillary Clinton last week, he succeeded — the political world has now been chewing on the “brain damage” story for nearly a week. But by all appearances, Rove has started a conversation that’s focused more on his propensity for sleazy tactics than the former Secretary of State’s health.

The press has been talking about Rove's sleazy tactics for more than a decade. Rove is used to that and obviously doesn't care. There's just nothing new on that front, and even if this did somehow damage Rove, it wouldn't have any effect on the Republicans actually running against Hillary in 2016.

That ass Rove was behind the mess Bush and Cheney created. The mess that is left after Obama will be compliments of the Republicans for blocking everything positive Obama tried to accomplish and for continuing to follow the career long Republican parties Liar Karl Rove.

Karl Rove Career hypocrite and liar for the Republican party has the gall to call Obama a hypocrite and Biden a liar!

Karl Rove Career hypocrite and liar for the Republican party has the gall to call Obama a hypocrite and Biden a liar!

The die hard life long liar for the Republican party of course once again will say the right thing but for the party not the people as he wants you to think. Just look at his face he is a liar to the core.

In case you missed it last time I discussed the liar I read about Rove's career and how he built his career on lying and that is why those aspiring to the Presidency wanted him on their side. He never told the truth and he will not start now. Read the link, the denials and BS lies he fed Matt Lauer during his 2 day interview were too much. Even Republicans called them out and out lies. I never even heard about his Mother committing suicide or the fact that he had a second father or he was gay until Rove just mentioned it for his gain. Karl Rove: I did not pull dirty tricks BS! He is top class scum! He built his entire career as a Republican starting with Nixon because of his willingness and ability to pull dirty tricks and lie unabashedly.

First I was surprised to find out the purveyor of Bush's 3D Politics (deceitful, deceptive, divisive, politics) never Graduated from College. I find it amazing for two reasons. We, or I never heard that and he was so close to the top. And that is Bush's Brain! Go figure. remember, with life long executive privilege he can not be touched and is more brazen and dangerous than ever.

Karl Rove, 56, who served as chief strategist for President-elect Bush's presidential campaign, will manage the Office of Political Affairs, the Office of Public Liaison, and the Office of Strategic Initiatives at the White House. Before joining the campaign, he was president of Karl Rove and Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm. Rove attended the University of Utah, the University of Texas at Austin and George Mason University. He has taught at the LBJ School of Public Affairs and in the Journalism Department at the University of Texas at Austin.

After hearing on CNN that Rove attended numerous colleges but never graduated I went through numerous sites trying to find where that was mentioned and I could not find anything. Not even a mention of it in his White House autobiography. I found that surprising and that it was never mentioned. While I was digging besides the numerous interesting articles out there many which were never mentioned I found that he was "born" in 1950 and said he dreamed about being in the White House from that day.

Worse I found that his lying underhanded tactics is what got him his start in Daddy's administration and the rewards for this started from day one and as you know continue today

How Bush's Brain Hijacked Washington: Rove's ties to Bush the Elder commenced in 1973, when Poppy was the Republican national chairman and Karl aspired to be the president of the College Republicans. It was a post Rove could not win by the numbers. To circumvent them, he claimed that the organization was not adhering procedurally to the College Republican charter, and mounted credentials challenges to supporters of his opponent, Robert Edgeworth. In the end Rove essentially declared himself the winner of a separate election. The controversy got kicked upstairs to Bush, who awarded the election to Rove.

Later, in retaliation, Edgeworth leaked to the Washington Post that Rove was teaching dirty tricks seminars to young Republicans--and fresh off the humiliation of Watergate, no less.

Bush promptly excommunicated Edgeworth from the Republican Party for his disloyalty in leaking the story. Rove, along with his friend and College Republicans ally Lee Atwater, became favored Bush protégés. Rove moved to Texas in 1977 to toil as a fundraiser on George Sr.'s failed presidential-exploration PAC, the Fund for Limited Government. A year later he worked on an unsuccessful primary run for the Texas legislature by George W.

He was ruthless in chasing his goals, especially when it came to rivalries or power struggles with his own Republican cohorts. I was really surprised to see the well documented trail of underhanded Politics starting with Richard Nixon through his Fathers Presidency and now bush's and he continues to get away with it and be rewarded for it. Please read it. I wish we knew and made more of this years ago.

With Rove's proven record of lies and deceit going back to day one in the Nixon Administration along with the fact that even by Bush's father he has been rewarded for being a division causing underhanded Liar I refuse to believe he is even allowed to talk and should at the very least be censured to his destructive lies if doing the right thing for America mattered at all! Why do the Democrats continue to let Republicans in this case Rove with their obvious lies and are incapable of turning it around on them as it should be? Rove and the right are an easy target so what the hell is wrong with the Democrats? Is this another example of being complicit?

I researched the above facts on Rove years ago before I knew how to embed links and the links I had today are no good but thankfully I just found it. Here it is Don't for a minute think Rove has an honest bone in his body or that he would do anything that is right for the country. Everything is for the Republican party.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

The career liar Karl Rove tells the truth comparing Obama and the Gulf oil spill to Bush and Katrina

 Rove Finally Admits That Bush Really Blew It During Katrina:  Today in the Wall Street Journal, Karl Rove pens an op-ed titled: “Yes, the Gulf Spill is Obama’s Katrina.” He predictably places blame on Obama for a “lethargic,” “slow,” and “unacceptable” response to the BP oil spill. But the real significance of the op-ed is not what Rove has to say about Obama; rather, it’s that Rove is implicitly acknowledging that Bush screwed up the response to Katrina.

 Rove is essentially trying to make the case that Obama mismanaged a disaster almost as terribly as he and Bush did. This is breaking news because, for years, despite all the evidence to the contrary, Rove has defended his administration’s disastrous response to Hurricane Katrina. As recently as March, Rove told ABC News:

 

The Republicans life long liar Karl Rove should not be allowed to talk

Karl Rove: Behind the White House's Health-Law Dodges: From the record number of Americans on food stamps to the worst labor-force participation rate since the 1970s to rising political polarization to retreating U.S. power overseas and increasing Middle East chaos and violence, Mr. Obama's successor—Republican or Democratic—will inherit a mess.  

 

At Monticello earlier this week with French President François Hollande, Mr. Obama was overheard joking, "That's the good thing about being president, I can do whatever I want." His words call to mind the famous words attributed to one of Mr. Hollande's predecessors, Louis XV : " Après moi le déluge."    

 

That ass Rove was behind the mess Bush and Cheney created. The mess that is left after Obama will be compliments of the Republicans for blocking everything positive Obama tried to accomplish and for continuing to follow the career long Republican parties Liar Karl Rove.

Karl Rove Career hypocrite and liar for the Republican party has the gall to call Obama a hypocrite and Biden a liar!

Karl Rove Career hypocrite and liar for the Republican party has the gall to call Obama a hypocrite and Biden a liar!

The die hard life long liar for the Republican party of course once again will say the right thing but for the party not the people as he wants you to think. Just look at his face he is a liar to the core.

In case you missed it last time I discussed the liar I read about Rove's career and how he built his career on lying and that is why those aspiring to the Presidency wanted him on their side. He never told the truth and he will not start now. Read the link, the denials and BS lies he fed Matt Lauer during his 2 day interview were too much. Even Republicans called them out and out lies. I never even heard about his Mother committing suicide or the fact that he had a second father or he was gay until Rove just mentioned it for his gain. Karl Rove: I did not pull dirty tricks BS! He is top class scum! He built his entire career as a Republican starting with Nixon because of his willingness and ability to pull dirty tricks and lie unabashedly.

First I was surprised to find out the purveyor of Bush's 3D Politics (deceitful, deceptive, divisive, politics) never Graduated from College. I find it amazing for two reasons. We, or I never heard that and he was so close to the top. And that is Bush's Brain! Go figure. remember, with life long executive privilege he can not be touched and is more brazen and dangerous than ever.

Karl Rove, 56, who served as chief strategist for President-elect Bush's presidential campaign, will manage the Office of Political Affairs, the Office of Public Liaison, and the Office of Strategic Initiatives at the White House. Before joining the campaign, he was president of Karl Rove and Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm. Rove attended the University of Utah, the University of Texas at Austin and George Mason University. He has taught at the LBJ School of Public Affairs and in the Journalism Department at the University of Texas at Austin.

After hearing on CNN that Rove attended numerous colleges but never graduated I went through numerous sites trying to find where that was mentioned and I could not find anything. Not even a mention of it in his White House autobiography. I found that surprising and that it was never mentioned. While I was digging besides the numerous interesting articles out there many which were never mentioned I found that he was "born" in 1950 and said he dreamed about being in the White House from that day.

Worse I found that his lying underhanded tactics is what got him his start in Daddy's administration and the rewards for this started from day one and as you know continue today

How Bush's Brain Hijacked Washington: Rove's ties to Bush the Elder commenced in 1973, when Poppy was the Republican national chairman and Karl aspired to be the president of the College Republicans. It was a post Rove could not win by the numbers. To circumvent them, he claimed that the organization was not adhering procedurally to the College Republican charter, and mounted credentials challenges to supporters of his opponent, Robert Edgeworth. In the end Rove essentially declared himself the winner of a separate election. The controversy got kicked upstairs to Bush, who awarded the election to Rove.

Later, in retaliation, Edgeworth leaked to the Washington Post that Rove was teaching dirty tricks seminars to young Republicans--and fresh off the humiliation of Watergate, no less.

Bush promptly excommunicated Edgeworth from the Republican Party for his disloyalty in leaking the story. Rove, along with his friend and College Republicans ally Lee Atwater, became favored Bush protégés. Rove moved to Texas in 1977 to toil as a fundraiser on George Sr.'s failed presidential-exploration PAC, the Fund for Limited Government. A year later he worked on an unsuccessful primary run for the Texas legislature by George W.

He was ruthless in chasing his goals, especially when it came to rivalries or power struggles with his own Republican cohorts. I was really surprised to see the well documented trail of underhanded Politics starting with Richard Nixon through his Fathers Presidency and now bush's and he continues to get away with it and be rewarded for it. Please read it. I wish we knew and made more of this years ago.

With Rove's proven record of lies and deceit going back to day one in the Nixon Administration along with the fact that even by Bush's father he has been rewarded for being a division causing underhanded Liar I refuse to believe he is even allowed to talk and should at the very least be censured to his destructive lies if doing the right thing for America mattered at all! Why do the Democrats continue to let Republicans in this case Rove with their obvious lies and are incapable of turning it around on them as it should be? Rove and the right are an easy target so what the hell is wrong with the Democrats? Is this another example of being complicit?

I researched the above facts on Rove years ago before I knew how to embed links and the links I had today are no good but thankfully I just found it. Here it is Don't for a minute think Rove has an honest bone in his body or that he would do anything that is right for the country. Everything is for the Republican party.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

The Republicans life long liar Karl Rove should not be allowed to talk

Karl Rove: Behind the White House's Health-Law Dodges: From the record number of Americans on food stamps to the worst labor-force participation rate since the 1970s to rising political polarization to retreating U.S. power overseas and increasing Middle East chaos and violence, Mr. Obama's successor—Republican or Democratic—will inherit a mess. 

At Monticello earlier this week with French President François Hollande, Mr. Obama was overheard joking, "That's the good thing about being president, I can do whatever I want." His words call to mind the famous words attributed to one of Mr. Hollande's predecessors, Louis XV : " Après moi le déluge."   

That ass Rove was behind the mess Bush and Cheney created. The mess that is left after Obama will be compliments of the Republicans for blocking everything positive Obama tried to accomplish and for continuing to follow the career long Republican parties Liar Karl Rove.

Karl Rove Career hypocrite and liar for the Republican party has the gall to call Obama a hypocrite and Biden a liar!

Karl Rove Career hypocrite and liar for the Republican party has the gall to call Obama a hypocrite and Biden a liar!

The die hard life long liar for the Republican party of course once again will say the right thing but for the party not the people as he wants you to think. Just look at his face he is a liar to the core.

In case you missed it last time I discussed the liar I read about Rove's career and how he built his career on lying and that is why those aspiring to the Presidency wanted him on their side. He never told the truth and he will not start now. Read the link, the denials and BS lies he fed Matt Lauer during his 2 day interview were too much. Even Republicans called them out and out lies. I never even heard about his Mother committing suicide or the fact that he had a second father or he was gay until Rove just mentioned it for his gain. Karl Rove: I did not pull dirty tricks BS! He is top class scum! He built his entire career as a Republican starting with Nixon because of his willingness and ability to pull dirty tricks and lie unabashedly.

First I was surprised to find out the purveyor of Bush's 3D Politics (deceitful, deceptive, divisive, politics) never Graduated from College. I find it amazing for two reasons. We, or I never heard that and he was so close to the top. And that is Bush's Brain! Go figure. remember, with life long executive privilege he can not be touched and is more brazen and dangerous than ever.

Karl Rove, 56, who served as chief strategist for President-elect Bush's presidential campaign, will manage the Office of Political Affairs, the Office of Public Liaison, and the Office of Strategic Initiatives at the White House. Before joining the campaign, he was president of Karl Rove and Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm. Rove attended the University of Utah, the University of Texas at Austin and George Mason University. He has taught at the LBJ School of Public Affairs and in the Journalism Department at the University of Texas at Austin.

After hearing on CNN that Rove attended numerous colleges but never graduated I went through numerous sites trying to find where that was mentioned and I could not find anything. Not even a mention of it in his White House autobiography. I found that surprising and that it was never mentioned. While I was digging besides the numerous interesting articles out there many which were never mentioned I found that he was "born" in 1950 and said he dreamed about being in the White House from that day.

Worse I found that his lying underhanded tactics is what got him his start in Daddy's administration and the rewards for this started from day one and as you know continue today

How Bush's Brain Hijacked Washington: Rove's ties to Bush the Elder commenced in 1973, when Poppy was the Republican national chairman and Karl aspired to be the president of the College Republicans. It was a post Rove could not win by the numbers. To circumvent them, he claimed that the organization was not adhering procedurally to the College Republican charter, and mounted credentials challenges to supporters of his opponent, Robert Edgeworth. In the end Rove essentially declared himself the winner of a separate election. The controversy got kicked upstairs to Bush, who awarded the election to Rove.

Later, in retaliation, Edgeworth leaked to the Washington Post that Rove was teaching dirty tricks seminars to young Republicans--and fresh off the humiliation of Watergate, no less.

Bush promptly excommunicated Edgeworth from the Republican Party for his disloyalty in leaking the story. Rove, along with his friend and College Republicans ally Lee Atwater, became favored Bush protégés. Rove moved to Texas in 1977 to toil as a fundraiser on George Sr.'s failed presidential-exploration PAC, the Fund for Limited Government. A year later he worked on an unsuccessful primary run for the Texas legislature by George W.

He was ruthless in chasing his goals, especially when it came to rivalries or power struggles with his own Republican cohorts. I was really surprised to see the well documented trail of underhanded Politics starting with Richard Nixon through his Fathers Presidency and now bush's and he continues to get away with it and be rewarded for it. Please read it. I wish we knew and made more of this years ago.

With Rove's proven record of lies and deceit going back to day one in the Nixon Administration along with the fact that even by Bush's father he has been rewarded for being a division causing underhanded Liar I refuse to believe he is even allowed to talk and should at the very least be censured to his destructive lies if doing the right thing for America mattered at all! Why do the Democrats continue to let Republicans in this case Rove with their obvious lies and are incapable of turning it around on them as it should be? Rove and the right are an easy target so what the hell is wrong with the Democrats? Is this another example of being complicit?

I researched the above facts on Rove years ago before I knew how to embed links and the links I had today are no good but thankfully I just found it. Here it is Don't for a minute think Rove has an honest bone in his body or that he would do anything that is right for the country. Everything is for the Republican party.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Karl Rove author of 3D Politics down but not out

                                   Karl Rove under fire

 Between the Lines: Karl Rove far from finished, even with big losses in 2012 campaign:  There’s talk that Karl Rove is finished, his days as a political guru are over, that after his election-night debacle he will slip off into the sunset never to be heard of again. Don’t count on it. If Mitt Romney was the biggest loser in Tuesday’s election, Rove was the second biggest.

His vaunted Crossroads super PACs lost virtually every race, after Rove helped build them from scratch and then spent two years actively soliciting millions from the 1 percent to retake the White House and win seats in Congress. Rove’s reputation as the Republican Party’s premier political mind helped him raise more than $200 million from a relative handful of millionaires and billionaires, some of them longtime allies from past elections. 

Don't forget what Obama's predecessor created making him worse than ever if that can ever be.   Karl Rove secretly pardoned by Bush 4 days before he left office 

 I remember getting wind of that and being very concerned that the liar who built his entire career on openly lying and being underhanded was now beyond reproach. He was set free to do as much damage to Democrats as possible. Obama got in the first time, it is going to take an act of God to override Rove and the Billionaire Koch brothers this time.

 
Unlimited amounts of money can now be spent no holds barred. Rove controls much of those millions and he is the master liar having made his entire career out of lying for Republicans. The master of 3D politics (deceitful, deceptive, divisive, politics) started with Nixon and worked for George W. too. He got George H.W. Bush elected, no one can question the danger of Karl Rove to the country and honesty and decency.

 
The die hard life long liar for the Republican party of course once again will say the right thing but for the party not the people as he wants you to think. Just look at his face he is a liar to the core. Be very concerned that he is fired up and free to lie and steal victory from Democrats and steal another election. He got the scum Rick Perry where he is. Be very, very concerned!

 
In case you missed it last time I discussed the liar I read about Rove's career and how he built his career on lying and that is why those aspiring to the Presidency wanted him on their side. He never told the truth and he will not start now.

 Read the link, the denials and BS lies he fed Matt Lauer during his 2 day interview during Bush were too much. Even Republicans called them out and out lies. I never even heard about his Mother committing suicide or the fact that he had a second father or he was gay until Rove just mentioned it for his gain.  Karl Rove: I did not pull dirty tricks BS! He is top class scum! He built his entire career as a Republican starting with Nixon because of his willingness and ability to pull dirty tricks and lie unabashedly.

First I was surprised to find out the purveyor of Bush's 3D Politics (deceitful, deceptive, divisive, politics) never Graduated from College. I find it amazing for two reasons. We, or I never heard that and he was so close to the top. And that is Bush's Brain! Go figure. remember, with life long executive privilege he can not be touched and is more brazen and dangerous than ever.
Karl Rove, 61, who served as chief strategist for President Bush's presidential campaign, managed the Office of Political Affairs, the Office of Public Liaison, and the Office of Strategic Initiatives at the White House.

 Before joining the campaign, he was president of Karl Rove and Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm. Rove attended the University of Utah, the University of Texas at Austin and George Mason University. He has taught at the LBJ School of Public Affairs and in the Journalism Department at the University of Texas at Austin.

After hearing on CNN that Rove attended numerous colleges but never graduated I went through numerous sites trying to find where that was mentioned and I could not find anything. Not even a mention of it in his White House autobiography. I found that surprising and that it was never mentioned. While I was digging besides the numerous interesting articles out there many which were never mentioned I found that he was "born" in 1950 and said he dreamed about being in the White House from that day.

Worse I found that his lying underhanded tactics is what got him his start in Daddy Bush's administration and the rewards for this started from day one and as you know continue today.
How Bush's Brain Hijacked Washington: Rove's ties to Bush the Elder commenced in 1973, when Poppy was the Republican national chairman and Karl aspired to be the president of the College Republicans.

 It was a post Rove could not win by the numbers. To circumvent them, he claimed that the organization was not adhering procedurally to the College Republican charter, and mounted credentials challenges to supporters of his opponent, Robert Edgeworth. In the end Rove essentially declared himself the winner of a separate election. The controversy got kicked upstairs to Bush, who awarded the election to Rove.

Later, in retaliation, Edgeworth leaked to the Washington Post that Rove was teaching dirty tricks seminars to young Republicans--and fresh off the humiliation of Watergate, no less.
Bush promptly excommunicated Edgeworth from the Republican Party for his disloyalty in leaking the story. Rove, along with his friend and College Republicans ally Lee Atwater, became favored Bush protégés.

 Rove moved to Texas in 1977 to toil as a fundraiser on George Sr.'s failed presidential-exploration PAC, the Fund for Limited Government. A year later he worked on an unsuccessful primary run for the Texas legislature by George W.

He was ruthless in chasing his goals, especially when it came to rivalries or power struggles with his own Republican cohorts. I was really surprised to see the well documented trail of underhanded Politics starting with Richard Nixon through his Fathers Presidency and then bush's and he continues to get away with it and be rewarded for it. Please read it. I wish we knew and made more of this years ago.

With Rove's proven record of lies and deceit going back to day one in the Nixon Administration along with the fact that even by Bush's father he has been rewarded for being a division causing underhanded Liar I refuse to believe he is even allowed to talk and should at the very least be censured to his destructive lies if doing the right thing for America mattered at all! Why do the Democrats continue to let Republicans in this case Rove with their obvious lies and are incapable of turning it around on them as it should be? Rove and the right are an easy target so what the hell is wrong with the Democrats? Is this another example of being complicit? I guess not, we beat him again.

Anyway I researched the above facts on Rove years ago   Here. 

 Don't for a minute think Rove has an honest bone in his body or that he would do anything that is right for the country. Everything is for the Republican party. Rove is down not out!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Divide and Conquer are not new Democratic tactics as Republicans depict but old Republican tactics!

The "Occupy" protesters were dead right saying Michelle Bachmann is dividing the country while accusing Democrats of doing it when they shut down her speech saying she touts that people who disagree with Bachmann are called "unpatriotic socialists: True, Bachmann is trying to divide and conquer once again but It worked for Rove Bush and Cheney! Will it work again?

Bachmann interrupted by Occupy Wall Street activists in South Carolina: Occupy Wall Street protesters said Bachmann's stances "capitalize on dividing Americans" by claiming that people who disagree with her are "unpatriotic socialists. It worked for Bush and Cheney!

Divide and conquer are Rove taught Bush tactics he used not only on the Democrats but in the Middle East and around the world. I called it 3D Politics (divisive, deceptive, deceitful, politics) designed to create a problem where there is none to divide and conquer. Think back as to how often and regularly that was done.

It really irked me that Four days before he left office, Mr. Bush authorized White house counsel Fred Fielding to write letters to Harriet Miers and Karl Rove giving them "absolute immunity" from Congressional inquiry and prosecution. Preemptively. In perpetuity. Absolute and irrevocable.

Not only because Rove should have been held accountable for his treasonous acts but worse because he would now be worse than before and he is. I see his lies being run to dirty great nominees and it sickens me that once again his lies are swaying people from the truth so dirty mindless Republicans can win office.

Anyway If there was no issue Bush created one and put Democrats on the other side so he could divide and conquer “get his way” It was painful to watch it being done around the world but worse here and see the Democrats powerless to fight it, recognize it, or realize they better play the game too or they are done. It is an absolute pleasure to see the "occupy" protesters call a spade a spade and hole Bachmann accountable for doing it. I hope people see through the facade finally.

I am sick of Republican's in this case Bachmann accusing Democrat's of something they are innocent of but Republicans themselves are doing so as to hide the evil truth of these scum.

It may be too late but primarily because they are stupid enough to advertise it not do it and deny it as Republicans do! I noticed this is a fox news story, it figures! Remember this in January of last year? Senate Dems Unfurl New Electoral Strategy: Divide and Conquer GOP I do not believe Democrats are guilty of dividing and conquering they are finally pointing out that Republicans are and getting on the other side to hopefully defeat them in their underhanded game finally.

Last election is being called a mandate against a party, a mandate against the Obama agenda, a Revolution against a party "the Democratic party" WRONG! Wake up and think about what happened. It should not be misinterpreted by the Republican Party as a denial of Obama, his agenda, or the Democratic Party. It was not! It should be a wake up call to both party's that we the people are sick of the games, sick of the partisanship, sick of the concern being for the Party's not we the people.

It is a Revolution however it is not a revolution against 'a party" It better serve as a wake up call to both party's. We the people want to matter! I am so proud of what the occupy movement is pointing out though greatly disturbed they are being painted as bums and rabble rousers. Whoever they are and they are fine citizens, they are pointing out the truth and Republicans do not like it.

The party’s are our biggest problem not the so called terrorists. They only care about themselves not we the people! The games must stop; they must stop acting like spoiled brats while we go down the tubes. Obama is on his own that is why nothing has gotten done. I use to say Bush is the only person I know that can talk out of both sides of his mouth while his foot is in it, sh@t eating smirk on it all the time. Sadly that has become status quo and the face of politics today.






James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Karl Rove Career hypocrite and liar for the Republican party

Karl Rove secretly pardoned by Bush 4 days before he left office I remember getting wind of that and being very concerned that the liar who built his entire career on openly lying and being underhanded was now beyond reproach. He was set free to do as much damage to Democrats as possible. Obama got in the first time, it is going to take an act of God to override Rove and the Billionaire Koch brothers this time.

Karl Rove's strategy called "lying" comes to Georgia
Karl Rove's strategy comes to Georgia Be very concerned for the next Presidential election it is going to be the dirtiest and most corrupt.

Unlimited amounts of money can now be spent no holds barred. Rove controls much of those millions and he is the master liar having made his entire career out of lying for Republicans. The master of 3D politics (deceitful, deceptive, divisive, politics) started with Nixon and worked for George W. too. He got George H.W. Bush elected, no one can question the danger of Karl Rove to the country and honesty and decency.

The die hard life long liar for the Republican party of course once again will say the right thing but for the party not the people as he wants you to think. Just look at his face he is a liar to the core. Be very concerned that he is fired up and free to lie and steal victory from Democrats and steal another election. He got the scum Rick Perry where he is. Be very, very concerned!

In case you missed it last time I discussed the liar I read about Rove's career and how he built his career on lying and that is why those aspiring to the Presidency wanted him on their side. He never told the truth and he will not start now. Read the link, the denials and BS lies he fed Matt Lauer during his 2 day interview were too much. Even Republicans called them out and out lies. I never even heard about his Mother committing suicide or the fact that he had a second father or he was gay until Rove just mentioned it for his gain. Karl Rove: I did not pull dirty tricks BS! He is top class scum! He built his entire career as a Republican starting with Nixon because of his willingness and ability to pull dirty tricks and lie unabashedly.

First I was surprised to find out the purveyor of Bush's 3D Politics (deceitful, deceptive, divisive, politics) never Graduated from College. I find it amazing for two reasons. We, or I never heard that and he was so close to the top. And that is Bush's Brain! Go figure. remember, with life long executive privilege he can not be touched and is more brazen and dangerous than ever.

Karl Rove, 56, who served as chief strategist for President-elect Bush's presidential campaign, managed the Office of Political Affairs, the Office of Public Liaison, and the Office of Strategic Initiatives at the White House. Before joining the campaign, he was president of Karl Rove and Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm. Rove attended the University of Utah, the University of Texas at Austin and George Mason University. He has taught at the LBJ School of Public Affairs and in the Journalism Department at the University of Texas at Austin.

After hearing on CNN that Rove attended numerous colleges but never graduated I went through numerous sites trying to find where that was mentioned and I could not find anything. Not even a mention of it in his White House autobiography. I found that surprising and that it was never mentioned. While I was digging besides the numerous interesting articles out there many which were never mentioned I found that he was "born" in 1950 and said he dreamed about being in the White House from that day.

Worse I found that his lying underhanded tactics is what got him his start in Daddy's administration and the rewards for this started from day one and as you know continue today.

How Bush's Brain Hijacked Washington: Rove's ties to Bush the Elder commenced in 1973, when Poppy was the Republican national chairman and Karl aspired to be the president of the College Republicans. It was a post Rove could not win by the numbers. To circumvent them, he claimed that the organization was not adhering procedurally to the College Republican charter, and mounted credentials challenges to supporters of his opponent, Robert Edgeworth. In the end Rove essentially declared himself the winner of a separate election. The controversy got kicked upstairs to Bush, who awarded the election to Rove.

Later, in retaliation, Edgeworth leaked to the Washington Post that Rove was teaching dirty tricks seminars to young Republicans--and fresh off the humiliation of Watergate, no less.

Bush promptly excommunicated Edgeworth from the Republican Party for his disloyalty in leaking the story. Rove, along with his friend and College Republicans ally Lee Atwater, became favored Bush protégés. Rove moved to Texas in 1977 to toil as a fundraiser on George Sr.'s failed presidential-exploration PAC, the Fund for Limited Government. A year later he worked on an unsuccessful primary run for the Texas legislature by George W.

He was ruthless in chasing his goals, especially when it came to rivalries or power struggles with his own Republican cohorts. I was really surprised to see the well documented trail of underhanded Politics starting with Richard Nixon through his Fathers Presidency and then bush's and he continues to get away with it and be rewarded for it. Please read it. I wish we knew and made more of this years ago.

With Rove's proven record of lies and deceit going back to day one in the Nixon Administration along with the fact that even by Bush's father he has been rewarded for being a division causing underhanded Liar I refuse to believe he is even allowed to talk and should at the very least be censured to his destructive lies if doing the right thing for America mattered at all! Why do the Democrats continue to let Republicans in this case Rove with their obvious lies and are incapable of turning it around on them as it should be? Rove and the right are an easy target so what the hell is wrong with the Democrats? Is this another example of being complicit?

I researched the above facts on Rove years ago  Here. Don't for a minute think Rove has an honest bone in his body or that he would do anything that is right for the country. Everything is for the Republican party.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Bring back water boarding, says Cheney: If Cheney says do it you know it is the wrong thing to do

This was actually 2 years ago but the lies continue. Remember the Republican shock jock Mancow being pro water boarding until he mistakenly volunteered for it and found out how horrific it was?



Bring back water boarding, says Cheney

Cheney is trying to justify the illegitimacy of the Bush Presidency. He is trying to say it was because of the illegal torture techniques embraced by Bush and himself we were able to get the intelligence that ultimately led to President Obama being able to find and kill Osama Bin Laden. Dead wrong! We know you get just the opposite "lies you want to hear"

This video is still majorly mild but check it out if you did not last time torture was an issue. Rove once again lies and says it is good and it works. It is just a "enhanced technique? This has been troubling to me on more than a few fronts. I am a firm believer in calling a spade a spade. If I am going to do something not only will I admit to it but I will tell you. I always thought that was just normal. Now I am finding lying is normal!

I do not care what you call water boarding but before I even watched this it was torture to me. You know I have a few sons in the military but water boarding if the least I worry about happening to them were they to be captured. With that said,we know one of the terrorists was water boarded 183 times and as the video illustrates, the average time of endurance is 14 seconds. That is 42 minutes that guy endured that.

Not that I feel for him but knowing we kept hearing that information was being given readily until water boarding started and knowing we now know water boarding was used to get an admitted link between Saddam and 9/11 I have to put 2 and 2 together. We still have Cheney and Rove lying and saying there was a link to 9/11 and Saddam Hussein even though we found out the hard way there was none.

I refuse to believe that Cheney and Rove get away with the lie that valuable information was gained by torture i.e. water boarding when we know the truth is nothing was gained. We have also now seen how horrific water boarding is and heard the admission that they would tell you anything you wanted to hear to make it stop. Journalist Christopher Hutchins volunteered to have it done to prove it was nothing. Not only did he instantly capitulate he now has nightmares of drowning and smothering. He too volunteered that he would say anything you wanted to hear to make it stop.

Republican shock jock Mancow Muller who I could never stand as he represented just another big mouthed Republican willing to say anything top see his party persevere now has my compassion. Mancow went in to this to show boat but that did not last long or end up being the result. I started feeling sorry for him before it even started as it was obvious he was not up to it. I pray that Cheney and Rove volunteer to be water boarded to show them as the cowards they are!

Mancow never should have opened his mouth especially knowing what I found out. However open mouth and insert foot seems to be a gift to both party's. Mancow was failing just having his feet tied and being told what was going to happen. He should have backed out when he had the chance. They were still nice to him and pinched his nose as he instructed though as you know, that would never happen in the world of real torture.

The expert who was going to do it said the average person can handle 14 seconds. Mancow vowed 15 and cried uncle in 6 seconds. He took a while to compose himself. After watching his extremely negative response I have to hope the experience does not affect him permanently. He said that had he known it was that bad that horrific he never would have agreed to it.

He fell for the idiocy Cheney and Rove is still espousing torture and people are still believing their lies. I suggest that they as well as Cheney and Rove get water boarded just for fun. Mancow explained he instantly experienced flash backs to drowning when a child which made me ask how could you be so stupid?

Colonel Jacobs retired is the only man with experience in this regard that I have been hearing besides an actual interrogator who said it does not work backed that sentiment up. He said it was unnecessary and gained nothing useful except for the lies they wanted to hear. Food and medical care would work much better if honest information was the goal.

* In closing after watching water boarding and the results by once advocates who now say it is torture and they would tell you whatever you wanted to hear to make it stop as we know was the desire and result there is only one obvious conclusion. The issue is not that water boarding is torture or not. We know it only gets the lies you want to hear to cover your rear. That is the only issue!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

George W. Bush calls for backing off government involvement in padding economy: GUILTY!

Bush calls for backing off government involvement in padding economy

Bush defends bank bailout at opening of economic forum in Dallas

Whitman speaks at Bush Institute conference

Bush, Rove, Greenspan, they and their cohorts purposely did all this saying everyone can have everything in this American dream they turned into a night mare. They better be held accountable and should not be allowed to get away with blaming this too on President Obama. They built this house of cards purposely in the bankrupting of America. No apologies my rear!

I will say, I accused Bush from day one of micro mismanaging 100% of every fiasco he purposely created for us while he was widening the gap between the haves and the have not's. Us responsible citizens were having routine heart attacks watching him tell people to buy a house, everyone can have a piece of the American dream. That was BS and we were getting an ulcer.

When I was first starting out I had to get my parents to co sign a loan for a ring so I could get married. You needed 20% down in order to buy a house and Bush through Greenspan fixed it so most Americans were living this lie too and gave everyone a loan regardless of what they earned. They purposely created our housing bubble. We are finally back to responsibility and we are hearing how tough it is on peope now that they must put 20% down. There is a reason why damn it as many found out the hard way thanks to Bush and his cronies.

While Greenspan warned this collapse could be worse than the depression and Bush warned of the severe damage it could cause the country if the bail out is not passed I just want to remind you of what an expert Michael Whitney wrote explaining this set up 4 years ago.

Greenspan successfully piloted the nation into virtual insolvency. In fact, the parallels between our present situation and the period preceding the Great Depression are striking. Just as massive debt was accumulating in the market from the purchase of stocks "on margin", so too, mortgage debt between 2000 and 2006 soared from $4.8 trillion to $9.5 trillion. In both cases the "wealth effect" spawned a spending spree which looked like growth but was really the steady, insidious expansion of debt which generated economic activity. In both periods wages were either flat or declining and the gap between rich and working class was growing more extreme by the year. As Paul Alexander Gusmorino said in his article, "Main Causes of the Great Depression": "Many factors played a role in bringing about the depression; however, the main cause for the Great Depression was the combination of the greatly unequal distribution of wealth throughout the 1920's, and the extensive stock market speculation that took place during the latter part that same decade".

The same factors are at work today except that the speculation is in real estate rather than stocks. Just as in the 1920's the equity bubble was not created by wages keeping pace with productivity (the healthy formula for growth) but by the expansion of personal debt. Also, one could buy stocks without the money to purchase them, just as one can buy a $600,000 or $700,000 house today with zero-down and no monthly payment on the principle for years to come. The current account deficit ($800 billion) could also weigh heavily in any economic shake-up that may be forthcoming. Bob Chapman of The International Forecaster made this shocking calculation about America's out-of-control trade deficit: "US debt was up 10.1% to $4.085 trillion and accounts for 58.8% of all the credit issued globally last year. That means the US expanded credit at a much faster rate than the economy grew. This was borrowing to maintain a higher standard of living and attempt to pay for it tomorrow." Think about that; the US sucked up nearly 60% of ALL GLOBAL CREDIT in one year alone. That is truly astonishing.

There are many similarities between the pre-Depression era and our own. Paul Alexander Gusmorino says: "The Great Depression was the worst economic slump ever in U.S. history, and one which spread to virtually all of the industrialized world. The depression began in late 1929 and lasted for about a decade....The excessive speculation in the late 1920's kept the stock market artificially high, but eventually lead to large market crashes. These market crashes, combined with the misdistribution of wealth, caused the American economy to capsize. "(The income disparity) between the rich and the middle class grew throughout the 1920's. While the disposable income per capita rose 9% from 1920 to 1929, those with income within the top 1% enjoyed a stupendous 75% increase in per capita disposable income A major reason for this large and growing gap between the rich and the working-class people was the increased manufacturing output throughout this period. From 1923-1929 the average output per worker increased 32% in manufacturing. During that same period of time average wages for manufacturing jobs increased only 8% (This ultimately causes a decrease in demand and leads to growth in credit spending)

The federal government also contributed to the growing gap between the rich and middle-class. Calvin Coolidge's (pro business) administration passed the Revenue Act of 1926, which reduced federal income and inheritance taxes dramatically(At the same time) the Supreme Court ruled minimum-wage legislation unconstitutional. On Monday October 21, 1929, the over-valued stock market began its downward plunge. It managed a brief mid-week comeback, but 7 days later on Black Tuesday it plummeted again; 16 million shares were dumped and there were no buyers. The game was over. Confidence evaporated overnight. People stopped buying on credit, the bubble-economy collapsed, and the mighty locomotive for growth, the American consumer, hobbled into the Great Depression. Tariffs were thrown up, foreigners stopped buying American goods; banks closed, business went bust, and unemployment skyrocketed. Tens years later the country was still reeling from the implosion. Now, 77 years later, Greenspan has led us sheep-like to the same precipice. The economic dilemma we're facing could have been avoided if the expansion of personal credit had been curtailed by prudent monetary policy at the Federal Reserve and if wealth was more evenly distributed as it was in the '60s and '70s. But that's not the case; so we're headed for hard times. Mike Whitney the second Great Depression

Bush saying Obama should not be padding the economy is hypocritical, this is his mess. Him and Rove should not be giving advice period.


James Joiner
Gardner Ma
http://amaveragemericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Bush branded a 'war criminal but until he, Rove, Cheney and the rest are held accountable we have not faced our defining moment in History

Bush branded a 'war criminal' at Rocky's Salt Lake rally

President Obama correctly predicted Biblical times are ahead but we will be victorious as long as all Nations hold together. Largely thanks to Bush and his fellow war criminals he is right! He drew sharp contrasts to the go it alone war monger Bush he proceeds. Biblical times are ahead and much worse than he realizes because of President Bush and Islamic militants. Religion on both sides of the issue guaranteed it.

looking at today's unwinding horrors we will be facing long into the future. We watch Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, Iran, Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, China and Taiwan, North and South Korea, water pollution, air pollution, global warming, water wars, food wars, numerous future wars in the making, under Bush's war mongering I have been long convinced we had not had the defining moment of our time, our moment of extreme challenge.

9/11 was not the defining moment of our time as we are told,that event has not occurred yet but that moment is coming and soon and it could very well be upon us. A lot of people tell me to get over Bush but the US and the world will never be able to as he upset US and world balance that will forever affect us all. Up to now and all our horror Bush has been the defining moment of our time. He is no hero he is a criminal!


Karl Rove heckled, called 'war criminal' I am so psyched he is getting the truth though he just continues his fascist partisan lies! From day one Karl Rove built a Political career on lying he will not change now!, I am just glad he is getting the treatment he deserves. He should not be able to make a penny off his book of lies but should be in prison.

I read about Rove's career and how he built his career on lying and that is why those aspiring to the Presidency wanted him on their side. He never told the truth and he will not start now. Read the link, the denials and BS lies he fed Matt Lauer during his 2 day interview were too much. Even Republicans called them out and out lies. I never even heard about his Mother committing suicide or the fact that he had a second father or he was gay until Rove just mentioned it for his gain. Karl Rove: I did not pull dirty tricks BS! He is top class scum!

On December 15, 2008 Vice President Cheney admitted on national TV that he authorized torture, including water boarding. That shocking confession makes Cheney a war criminal . But apart from Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow , the Corporate Media barely noticed. Under the Geneva Conventions, the United States must prosecute Dick Cheney for war crimes. The three of them along with the enabler Gonzo and many more are war criminals, until we try them and punish them for their crimes they are a black mark on US history


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Karl Rove Career hypocrite and liar for the Republican party has the gall to call Obama a hypocrite and Biden a liar!

Karl Rove Career hypocrite and liar for the Republican party has the gall to call Obama a hypocrite and Biden a liar!

The die hard life long liar for the Republican party of course once again will say the right thing but for the party not the people as he wants you to think. Just look at his face he is a liar to the core.

In case you missed it last time I discussed the liar I read about Rove's career and how he built his career on lying and that is why those aspiring to the Presidency wanted him on their side. He never told the truth and he will not start now. Read the link, the denials and BS lies he fed Matt Lauer during his 2 day interview were too much. Even Republicans called them out and out lies. I never even heard about his Mother committing suicide or the fact that he had a second father or he was gay until Rove just mentioned it for his gain. Karl Rove: I did not pull dirty tricks BS! He is top class scum! He built his entire career as a Republican starting with Nixon because of his willingness and ability to pull dirty tricks and lie unabashedly.

First I was surprised to find out the purveyor of Bush's 3D Politics (deceitful, deceptive, divisive, politics) never Graduated from College. I find it amazing for two reasons. We, or I never heard that and he was so close to the top. And that is Bush's Brain! Go figure. remember, with life long executive privilege he can not be touched and is more brazen and dangerous than ever.

Karl Rove, 56, who served as chief strategist for President-elect Bush's presidential campaign, will manage the Office of Political Affairs, the Office of Public Liaison, and the Office of Strategic Initiatives at the White House. Before joining the campaign, he was president of Karl Rove and Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm. Rove attended the University of Utah, the University of Texas at Austin and George Mason University. He has taught at the LBJ School of Public Affairs and in the Journalism Department at the University of Texas at Austin.

After hearing on CNN that Rove attended numerous colleges but never graduated I went through numerous sites trying to find where that was mentioned and I could not find anything. Not even a mention of it in his White House autobiography. I found that surprising and that it was never mentioned. While I was digging besides the numerous interesting articles out there many which were never mentioned I found that he was "born" in 1950 and said he dreamed about being in the White House from that day.

Worse I found that his lying underhanded tactics is what got him his start in Daddy's administration and the rewards for this started from day one and as you know continue today

How Bush's Brain Hijacked Washington: Rove's ties to Bush the Elder commenced in 1973, when Poppy was the Republican national chairman and Karl aspired to be the president of the College Republicans. It was a post Rove could not win by the numbers. To circumvent them, he claimed that the organization was not adhering procedurally to the College Republican charter, and mounted credentials challenges to supporters of his opponent, Robert Edgeworth. In the end Rove essentially declared himself the winner of a separate election. The controversy got kicked upstairs to Bush, who awarded the election to Rove.

Later, in retaliation, Edgeworth leaked to the Washington Post that Rove was teaching dirty tricks seminars to young Republicans--and fresh off the humiliation of Watergate, no less.

Bush promptly excommunicated Edgeworth from the Republican Party for his disloyalty in leaking the story. Rove, along with his friend and College Republicans ally Lee Atwater, became favored Bush protégés. Rove moved to Texas in 1977 to toil as a fundraiser on George Sr.'s failed presidential-exploration PAC, the Fund for Limited Government. A year later he worked on an unsuccessful primary run for the Texas legislature by George W.

He was ruthless in chasing his goals, especially when it came to rivalries or power struggles with his own Republican cohorts. I was really surprised to see the well documented trail of underhanded Politics starting with Richard Nixon through his Fathers Presidency and now bush's and he continues to get away with it and be rewarded for it. Please read it. I wish we knew and made more of this years ago.

With Rove's proven record of lies and deceit going back to day one in the Nixon Administration along with the fact that even by Bush's father he has been rewarded for being a division causing underhanded Liar I refuse to believe he is even allowed to talk and should at the very least be censured to his destructive lies if doing the right thing for America mattered at all! Why do the Democrats continue to let Republicans in this case Rove with their obvious lies and are incapable of turning it around on them as it should be? Rove and the right are an easy target so what the hell is wrong with the Democrats? Is this another example of being complicit?

I researched the above facts on Rove years ago before I knew how to embed links and the links I had today are no good but thankfully I just found it. Here it is Don't for a minute think Rove has an honest bone in his body or that he would do anything that is right for the country. Everything is for the Republican party.

James Joiner

Gardner, Ma

http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

The Gulf oil disaster is Obama's Katrina on steroids: Another disaster compliments of Bush/Cheney

People keep telling me to forget about Cheney and Bush as they are gone. However as I keep saying, we will never be able to forget them.

We will be living with their destructive militaristic oil legacy for decades at least but centuries if we are around that long.

This is no exception! I noticed this morning that Rove said this gulf oil gusher is Obama's Katrina. I have to agree but on steroids and Bush and Cheney created it and like everything else they did, this too will be much worse. Newt Gingrich accused Obama of dereliction of duty while Bush and Cheney are guilty of dereliction.

Remember Bush and Cheney's secret White House meetings with the so called energy czars? Remember, the rest of the world by law must use an acoustic valve in case of emergency that would have prevented this. Since oil ran this country Bush and Cheney decided at 1/2 million per valve it was too expensive for oil companies as profit and cutting corners was their only goal not the people and the environment. This is factual and right on! Bush Cheney and the energy czars

All inspections of drilling and platforms stopped in 2001. Obama's mistake was not re instituting them instantly. Failure to do so could have been outside influence as I suspect.

This resultant nightmare is just beginning, will be planetary life changing in many respects, And is another one of their destructive legacies. Remember, life as we know it started in the ocean. We have got to keep it life sustaining. Remember, you kill one level of life all levels will eventually go down as life is a pyramid.

This was our own fault for putting oil "Bush and Cheney" in control of America! I did hear something this morning I did not know. We keep hearing comparisons between this BP "British petroleum" Gulf oil disaster and the Valdez disaster promulgated by Exxon who I thought was another company and a competing guilty party.

That said, I found out the Exxon Valdez was run by a consortium led by BP so BP was responsible for that disaster too. BP hell British Petroleum is not even an American Company, they are British and we have been letting them do as they wanted in our America. We are letting the British destroy us as they could not during the Revolution and it must stop period!






James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Karl Rove heckled, called 'war criminal at book signing' He deserves worse!

Karl Rove heckled, called 'war criminal'

I am so psyched he is getting the truth though he just continues his fascist partisan lies! From day one Karl Rove built a Political career on lying he will not change now!, I am just glad he is getting the treatment he deserves. He should not be able to make a penny off his book of lies but should be in prison.

I read about Rove's career and how he built his career on lying and that is why those aspiring to the Presidency wanted him on their side. He never told the truth and he will not start now. Read the link, the denials and BS lies he fed Matt Lauer during his 2 day interview were too much. Even Republicans called them out and out lies. I never even heard about his Mother committing suicide or the fact that he had a second father or he was gay until Rove just mentioned it for his gain. Karl Rove: I did not pull dirty tricks BS! He is top class scum!

First I was surprised to find out the purveyor of Bush's 3D Politics (deceitful, deceptive, divisive, politics) never Graduated from College. I find it amazing for two reasons. We, or I never heard that and he was so close to the top. And that is Bush's Brain! Go figure. remember, with life long executive privilege he can not be touched and is more brazen and dangerous than ever.

Karl Rove, 56, who served as chief strategist for President-elect Bush's presidential campaign, will manage the Office of Political Affairs, the Office of Public Liaison, and the Office of Strategic Initiatives at the White House. Before joining the campaign, he was president of Karl Rove and Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm. Rove attended the University of Utah, the University of Texas at Austin and George Mason University. He has taught at the LBJ School of Public Affairs and in the Journalism Department at the University of Texas at Austin.

After hearing on CNN that Rove attended numerous colleges but never graduated I went through numerous sites trying to find where that was mentioned and I could not find anything. Not even a mention of it in his White House autobiography. I found that surprising and that it was never mentioned. While I was digging besides the numerous interesting articles out there many which were never mentioned I found that he was "born" in 1950 and said he dreamed about being in the White House from that day.

Worse I found that his lying underhanded tactics is what got him his start in Daddy's administration and the rewards for this started from day one and as you know continue today

How Bush's Brain Hijacked Washington: Rove's ties to Bush the Elder commenced in 1973, when Poppy was the Republican national chairman and Karl aspired to be the president of the College Republicans. It was a post Rove could not win by the numbers. To circumvent them, he claimed that the organization was not adhering procedurally to the College Republican charter, and mounted credentials challenges to supporters of his opponent, Robert Edgeworth. In the end Rove essentially declared himself the winner of a separate election. The controversy got kicked upstairs to Bush, who awarded the election to Rove.

Later, in retaliation, Edgeworth leaked to the Washington Post that Rove was teaching dirty tricks seminars to young Republicans--and fresh off the humiliation of Watergate, no less.

Bush promptly excommunicated Edgeworth from the Republican Party for his disloyalty in leaking the story. Rove, along with his friend and College Republicans ally Lee Atwater, became favored Bush protégés. Rove moved to Texas in 1977 to toil as a fundraiser on George Sr.'s failed presidential-exploration PAC, the Fund for Limited Government. A year later he worked on an unsuccessful primary run for the Texas legislature by George W.

He was ruthless in chasing his goals, especially when it came to rivalries or power struggles with his own Republican cohorts. I was really surprised to see the well documented trail of underhanded Politics starting with Richard Nixon through his Fathers Presidency and now bush's and he continues to get away with it and be rewarded for it. Please read it. I wish we knew and made more of this years ago.

With Rove's proven record of lies and deceit going back to day one in the Nixon Administration along with the fact that even by Bush's father he has been rewarded for being a division causing underhanded Liar I refuse to believe he is even allowed to talk and should at the very least be censured to his destructive lies if doing the right thing for America mattered at all! Why do the Democrats continue to let Republicans in this case Rove with their obvious lies and are incapable of turning it around on them as it should be? Rove and the right are an easy target so what the hell is wrong with the Democrats? Is this another example of being complicit?

I researched the above facts on Rove years ago before I knew how to embed links and the links I had today are no good but thankfully I just found it. Here it is


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Karl Rove loves and defends water boarding: Then volunteer Mancow did, watch the video

Mancow gets water boarded Olbermann donates $10,000 to veterans of valor on Mancow's behalf!



Karl Rove defends waterboarding
This should not take too long. I want you to watch the videos showing "real" water boarding! This is still majorly mild but check these out. I have been sick listening to the Torture King say water boarding is not torture and now Rove says it is good and it works.. It is just a "enhanced technique? This has been troubling to me on more than a few fronts. I am a firm believer in calling a spade a spade. If I am going to do something not only will I admit to it but I will tell you. I always thought that was just normal. Now I am finding lying is normal!

I do not care what you call water boarding but before I even watched these it was torture to me. You know I have a few sons in the military but water boarding if the least I worry about happening to them were they to be captured. With that said,we know one of the terrorists was water boarded 183 times and as the videos illustrate, the average time of endurance is 14 seconds. That is 42 minutes that guy endured that.

Not that I feel for him but knowing we kept hearing that information was being given readily until water boarding started and knowing we now know water boarding was used to get an admitted link between Saddam and 9/11 I have to put 2 plus 2 together. We still have Cheney and Rove lying and saying there was a link to 9/11 and Saddam Hussein even though we found out the hard way there was none.

I refuse to believe that Cheney and Rove get away with the lie that valuable information was gained by torture i.e. water boarding when we know the truth is nothing was gained. We have also now seen how horrific water boarding is and heard the admission that they would tell you anything you wanted to hear to make it stop. Journalist Christopher Hutchins volunteered to have it done to prove it was nothing. Not only did he instantly capitulate he now has nightmares of drowning and smothering. He too volunteered that he would say anything you wanted to hear to make it stop.

Republican shock jock Mancow Muller who I could never stand as he represented just another big mouthed Republican willing to say anything top see his party persevere now has my compassion. Mancow went in to this to show boat but that did not last long or end up being the result. I started feeling sorry for him before it even started as it was obvious he was not up to it. I pray that Cheney and Rove volunteer to be water boarded to show them as the cowards they are!

Mancow never should have opened his mouth especially knowing what I found out. However open mouth and insert foot seems to be a gift to both party's. Mancow was failing just having his feet tied and being told what was going to happen. He should have backed out when he had the chance. They were still nice to him and pinched his nose as he instructed though as you know, that would never happen in the world of real torture.

The expert who was going to do it said the average person can handle 14 seconds. Mancow vowed 15 and cried uncle in 6 seconds. He took a while to compose himself. After watching his extremely negative response I have to hope the experience does not affect him permanently. He said that had he known it was that bad that horrific he never would have agreed to it.

He fell for the idiocy Cheney and Rove is still espousing and people are still believing. I suggest that they as well as Cheney, Rove, and Hannity get water boarded just for fun. Mancow explained he instantly experienced flash backs to drowning when a child which made me ask how could you be so stupid?

Colonel Jacobs retired is the only man with experience in this regard that I have been hearing besides an actual interrogator who said it doe not work backed that sentiment up. He said in this regard it was immoral because no life's were in danger. He said it was unnecessary and gained nothing useful except for the lies they wanted to hear. Food and medical care would work much better if honest information was the goal.

* In closing after watching water boarding and the results by once advocates who now say it is torture and they would tell you whatever you wanted to hear to make it stop as we know was the desire and result there is only one obvious conclusion. The issue is not that water boarding is torture or not. We know it only gets the lies you want to hear to cover your rear. That is the only issue!

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com