Gaddafi: Give me Libya or give me death as NATO Apaches hit first targets in Libya amid boots on ground fears and allied cooperation increases

NATO Apaches hit first targets in Libya amid boots on ground fears: ATTACK helicopters have struck Muammar Gaddafi's forces, as China acknowledged contact with rebels fighting to oust the Libyan leader and Russia prepared to send an envoy to broker a truce.

I think these are good developments, not so much the attack helicopters but Russia's involvement and more so China's. They were a major recipient of Gaddafi's oil and I am sure they would like to see this conflict resolved and continue receiving the oil only from the new rebel Government.

Hague Flies Into Benghazi To Meet Rebels: The Foreign Secretary is visiting Benghazi - after British Apache helicopters destroyed a radar installation and military checkpoint during their first operation in Libya. 

Rebels celebrate gains in Libya's west: In a conflict stuck in a stalemate, Libya's rebels are hailing a success. They have taken over two towns in the West, ending months of siege by…

As you may know,Nato extended its mission in Libya another 90 days: Aside from Nato members, the talks at alliance headquarters included ambassadors from the five non-Nato countries participating in the Libya campaign; Jordan, Qatar, Sweden, the United Arab Emirates and Morocco.

Series of NATO strikes target Tripoli: NATO blasted Tripoli with a series of air strikes early Thursday, sending shuddering booms through the city. Ambulances, sirens blaring, could be heard racing through the Libyan capital after the rattling blasts. A NATO statement said the attacks hit military vehicle and ammunition depots, a surface -to-air missile launcher and a fire control radar.

Death, Prison or Exile: Gaddafi Is Out of Options: Muammar Gaddafi's options for a peaceful exit may have finally run out. For the second time in seven weeks, South African President Jacob Zuma on Monday failed to persuade the Libyan leader to abandon his 42-year rule. Gaddafi's refusal to heed the advice of longtime friends in the African Union (AU) raises the likelihood that his reign will end either with his indictment by the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague or with his death in a NATO air strike.

British officials say they have finally hit the point where they are considering sending so-called "bunker-buster" weapons, capable of destroying underground shelters in which Gaddafi and his family might be hiding. They should have done that on day one! Do it and in a mass attack of every site he may be at whether he is shielded by civilians or not. If they are stupid enough to be around Gaddafi they have made themselves targets.

I just want to end our commitment and head home where we should be. We have enough to do and Yemen and the Gulf of Aden the next front in the so called war on terror are heating up as we speak and getting reads to explode.

They "the forces loyal to Gaddafi" are not going to relent period. We can not get any deeper than we are so I am happy to see the rebels making gains but leery with Gaddafi forces encroaching on Tunisia and attempting to widen this war or whatever you want to call it. Gaddafi and his son Saif will never leave their Libya while they are alive so fulfill Gaddafi and Saif's desire to die on Libyan soil though the rebels do not want that as they do not want Libyan soil polluted but at any rate that would barely be a start to the cleansing that will be necessary but by the rebels not us. So sad especially when you laak at the large picture of our future.


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

In a diplomatic shift, Russia joins the call for Gadhafi to step down as Gaddafi support is waning & he refuses to leave his Libya

As the country crumbles around him as we knew from day one Gaddafi declares he will not leave "his country" as Libya's Gaddafi: I will not leave my country, Muammar Gaddafi is emphatic he will not leave Libya, South African President Jacob Zuma said on Tuesday after talks with the Libyan leader that left prospects for a negotiated end to the conflict looking dim.

In diplomatic shift, Russia calls for Gadhafi to step down

8 Libyan Generals, 100 Soldiers Defect

Libya rebels eye OPEC meet as oil minister 'defects' Libya's regime had its back to the wall as it faced NATO air strikes, the apparent defection of its oil minister and threats of prosecution by the International Criminal Court.

Small signs suggest waning support for Gaddfafi: Young men waved their assault rifles in the air, spraying celebratory gunfire. Others let off fireworks. Drivers honked and leaned out of their cars waving green flags and chanting in support of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi. Gaddafi's regime has been trying to cover the ever thinning rank of supporters showing up at his rallies. The bombings, food rationing, gas rationing, it is all weighing on the people and getting rid of Gaddafi will stop it immediately. They know it but my concern is what comes next?

Explosions Rattles Libyan Capital: Several huge explosions rocked Tripoli on Saturday as NATO carried out rare, daytime air strikes.

NATO strikes 1 of Gadhafi's homes in Tripoli: An alliance spokesman said the Bab al-Aziziyah compound in Tripoli was hit in the early hours of Saturday. That same compound was badly damaged by U.S. warplanes 25 years ago in response to a bombing that had killed two U.S. servicemen at a German disco. They say Gaddafi was not the target, awe come on!

Gaddafi will go nowhere despite all efforts to persuade him to leave as we said would be the case on day one! Glad to see this is going the way of the rebels and wonder what Libya and the region will look like without Gaddafi? That said it sickens me that we have frozen multiple $Billions of Gaddafi's assets and the rebels have been selling oil so I refuse to believe they are looking for funding. Stupid us will give it to them to. At the very least they should be given Gaddafi's Billions and should be paying us for the personnel and materials used in our efforts to help them acquire their freedom.

We are beginning to recognize the rebel Government more and more and more of the world are coming forward and speaking up against Gaddafi., that I am afraid means we are in this for the long haul and will have to come to the rescue if this goes south instead of leaving the rebels to their own demise. I am very concerned because this is not just Libya, this is all the tribes in the region many of who are right now receiving $1000 a day to fight for Gaddafi. I am convinced the end of Gaddafi is just the beginning of this mess.

I am afraid this is just beginning unless we can kill them all and we can't so WTF are we doing there? We can't go in Osama style with seal team 6. Our only option is to get the hell out of there and supply the rebels with arms food money and medicine unless Gaddafi tries to mine the sea ports again. I said it when we first got involved in Libya but this whole thing just blows me away. Then there is Syria, Iran, and the rest of the middle east and Africa.

I said from the beginning in Libya that if we are serious we had to go directly after Tripoli and Gaddafi's extensive military assets there. We are finally doing that. If there was a way to totally neutralize Gaddafi's heavy weapons and defenses those rebels may stand a chance. Still, remembering Gaddafi's original statement that many thousands will be killed I am afraid he is getting closer to using his cyanide, mustard gas and vast reserves of chemical weapons.

As you know, Gaddafi already issued gas masks to those doing his murdering for him. What choice will we have but to drop a MOAB (mother of all bombs) or a 30,000 pound bunker buster in the middle of his compound designed to dig 7 or 8 stories underground before detonating and take as many of them out as we can. They are not going to relent period. We can not get any deeper than we are so I am happy to see the rebels making gains but leery with Gaddafi forces encroaching on Tunisia and attempting to widen thus war or whatever you want to call it. Gaddafi and his son Saif will never leave their Libya while they are alive so...


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

NATO Bombs Tripoli in Heaviest Strikes Yet as Libyan Rebel Council to Open Office in Washington and Obama, Cameron predict success in Libya

NATO Bombs Tripoli in Heaviest Strikes Yet

Tripoli attacked for second night Russia is not happy as this will not work and is not what they signed on for.

Libyan Rebel Council to Open Office in Washington

Obama, Cameron predict success in Libya: Predicting success in Libya, President Barack Obama said Wednesday that Moammar Gadhafi would ultimately be forced to step down if NATO keeps up its military campaign with the U.S. playing a key role. They are warning Gaddafi to step down but you can be guaranteed he will not. He will kill as many as possible until they kill or capture him and then others will continue his end until this gets much worse and spreads and many interests will make sure it does.

MUAMMAR Gaddafi's regime is on the run, a NATO official says, as alliance jets blasted Libya's capital and Russia slammed the blitz of Tripoli as a "grave departure" from UN resolutions. Gaddafi is not on the run he has yet to begin to fight, remember? Also Russia is right and we are going to pay dearly for it in many respects.

Glad to see this is going the way of the rebels and wonder what Libya and the region will look like without Gaddafi? That said it sickens me that we have frozen multiple $Billions of Gaddafi's assets and the rebels have been selling oil so I refuse to believe they are looking for funding. Stupid us will give it to them to. At the very least they should be given Gaddafi's Billions and should be paying us for the personnel and materials used in our efforts to help them acquire their freedom.

We are beginning to recognize the rebel Government more and more and more of the world are coming forward and speaking up against Gaddafi., that I am afraid means we are in this for the long haul and will have to come to the rescue if this goes south instead of leaving the rebels to their own demise. I am very concerned because this is not just Libya, this is all the tribes in the region many of who are right now recieving $1000 a day to fight for Gaddafi. I am convinced the end of Gaddafi is just the beginning of this mess.

I am afraid this is just beginning unless we can kill them all and we can't so WTF are we doing there? We can't go in Osama style with seal team 6. Our only option is to get the hell out of there and supply the rebels with arms food money and medicine unless Gaddafi tries to mine the sea ports again. I said it when we first got involved in Libya but this whole thing just blows me away. Then there is Syria, Iran, and the rest of the middle east and Africa.

I said from the beginning in Libya that if we are serious we had to go directly after Tripoli and Gaddafi's extensive military assets there. We are finally doing that. If there was a way to totally neutralize Gaddafi's heavy weapons and defenses those rebels may stand a chance. Still, remembering Gaddafi's original statement that many thousands will be killed I am afraid he is getting closer to using his cyanide, mustard gas and vast reserves of chemical weapons.

Gaddafi already issued gas masks to those doing his murdering for him. What choice will we have but to drop a MOAB (mother of all bombs) or a 30,000 pound bunker buster in the middle of his compound designed to dig 7 or 8 stories underground before detonating and take as many of them out as we can. They are not going to relent period. We can not get any deeper than we are so I am happy to see the rebels making gains but leery with Gaddafi forces encroaching on Tunisia and attempting to widen thus war or whatever you want to call it..


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageamericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Yesterday's Ignorance: One example why we must all participate in 9/15 Washington Impeachment Rally!

I have to agree with Joe Wilson's assesment of Bush's ignorant pardon of Scooted I mean Scooter. President Bush's decision to commute I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's prison sentence proves that "this administration is corrupt to the core," said Ambassador Joseph Wilson, the former diplomat whose wife was at the center of the CIA leak investigation that sparked the Libby case. In denouncing the Bush administration, Wilson told NPR, "I would only hope that Americans now realize, with this subversion of our system of justice and the rule of law in this country, just exactly how corrupt they are."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11689369
That is not what I want to discuss today though! This mockery of our Justice system and our rules and laws shows once again that Bush, Cheney, and their New Order lying Cronies are above our law and order as they ceaselessly continue to persue their new version of societal and world order.
That is just the latest in a long line of examples why I hope the following letter from Ramsey Clark regarding the March in Washington DC calling for the Impeachment of Bush and Cheney will motivate those that can participate in any capacity will do so. The march is set to coincide with General Petraeus's report on the surge on September 15th. The surge is a failure as expected and I would not doubt if the report is delayed in order to rain on our parade by design.
Mr. Clark requested that those of us that receive his message spread it around as much as possible. This is the best method for me to do that so here you go:

Dear james,
I am writing to you with the hope that you will help us organize and promote the September 15th March in Washington DC. Thousands of Americans from around the country will join together to demand the impeachment of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and insist on the immediate end to the war in Iraq. September 15th is the date General David Petraeus is mandated to make a report to Congress on the progress of the so-called surge. The eyes of the national and international media will be focused on Washington DC at that time. Time is short.
The question is whether we have the will to act. President Bush has said ...”the Iraqi people owe the American people a huge debt of gratitude.” Feeling unappreciated he has questioned “...whether or not there is a gratitude level that’s significant enough in Iraq.” Let us count the acts of the Bush Administration for which the Iraqi people should be grateful.
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US violence has brought death to hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s and physical injury to millions.
—Hundreds of billions of dollars in property destruction caused by U.S. aggression will take decades after peace to rebuild.
—2.2 million Iraqi’s, nearly one in ten, have fled their country to foreign exile, refugee camps and a doubtful future while at least 2 million more have fled their homes and communities to furtive lives of quiet desperation, to inadequate housing within Iraqi, without jobs or schools.
—3/4's of the people do not have safe drinking water.
—Iraqi’s internationally acclaimed and free health care system is a shambles.
—Since Shock and Awe began in March 2003 infant mortality in Iraq has increased radically to the highest death rate of all nations.
—Iraq is the most unstable country in the world.
—The sight and sound of violent death has created a pervasive state of constant devastating fear.
For this Iraq should be grateful?
It must be clear to every informed and thinking person that President Bush has no concern for human suffering, truth, freedom, democracy, peace, justice, human rights, or the Constitution of the United States. His words and acts are designed only to increase his personal power and achieve his personal agenda and that of those who share his goals and hatred.
To this end, he will destroy relations with Russia by placing missile defense systems on its border inside Poland and in the Czech Republic, he will impose Wolfowitz on the World Bank, and he will retain Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General.
President Bush intends for a major American military force to remain in Iraq for the foreseeable future even if it destroys that country utterly and turns the whole world that cares about justice against the United States. Look only at the $600 million dollar U.S. Embassy built in the heart of Baghdad and nearing completion. He sees withdrawal from Iraq as the loss of control of its oil followed by Saudi Arabia and the Emirates with their oil and the expansion of Iranian influence.
President Bush seeks regime change in Iran and Syria and the perpetuation of repressive dictatorships in Egypt, Pakistan and elsewhere in the region. There is a high risk he will order an attack on Iran. Having achieved regime change of the fairly elected government of Palestine, he seeks permanent isolation and decimation of Gaza and tightening control of the West Bank through funding and arming of a minority faction there, ending the hope for a viable, free and independent Palestine.
He plans to expand his war against Islam that will involve the U.S. in a losing military conflict on Muslim soil for years to come with unforeseeable, but devastating costs and consequences.
To continue these policies he will further diminish the freedom, privacy and civil liberties of the American people and expand the domination of wealth and militarism over the economy and body politic of our country.
He has committed the most serious crimes against humanity from wars of aggression and threats of more to political corruption and the corruption of justice at home unprecedented in our history.
Impeachment now is imperative. If, We the People fail to force accountability for these crimes this fall, President Bush will have a free ride with impunity through the Presidential election year of 2008, when the Constitutional duty to impeach will succumb to political pressure, to the end of his second term in January 2009.
The impeachment of Bush, Cheney and the other civil officers of the United States is not merely the best way to bring our troops home from Iraq and prevent new aggressions, it is the sure way and the only way. President Bush, who assaults nations in the name of democracy has proclaimed himself the one man “decider” for the fate of our country and its victims. For him, democracy is an election controlled by wealth every four years and dictatorship in between.
If we fail, the world will see that the American people are powerless to effectively oppose Bush policies that have angered and embittered billions of people, making enemies of most nations, or worse, that the American people support Bush policies. How else could such lawless and destructive policies be tolerated?
We do have the will to act and by working together we can make the difference. Please act now, as if the future of the country depends on it.
We can succeed but only with the help of you and thousands of other people. It is essential that we raise hundreds of thousands of dollars right now. Please make a donation today. you can make an online donation or send a check.
We can organize, arouse public opinion and raise funds over the summer to bring a massive turnout on September 15 in Washington DC demanding Impeachment and an end to the war. If you want to be listed as an endorser and supporter of the September 15th demonstration, you can do so below.
We will work in key Congressional Districts, constituents to their Representative, to insure action on Impeachment. We will involve people in every walk of life, working together to stop the runaway lawlessness of the Bush Administration before we are so inextricably intertwined in aggression, war, occupation and alienation that it will take decades before we can pursue policies that serve humanity, rejecting militarism, domination and exploitation.
We need to know how receptive the American people are to an all out effort in this moment of maximum moral and political crisis to personal commitment to participation in a six month campaign to impeach Bush/Cheney, et al.
Are you? Let us know now whether you will join this campaign. Let us know how you can organize support, enlisting others, staging demonstrations across the nation, raising and contributing funds for massive T.V., newspaper, computer and direct telephone and mail campaigns.
I hope you will join us and make this effort a priority so we can persevere in common cause.
Sincerely,Ramsey Clark
--please forward widely to your friends, family and email lists--
He supplied links but I don't expect those links to work so here is the web site if you would like to contact them. Thank You! ImpeachBush@VoteToImpeach.org and here is the web site for information. www.votetoimpeach.org

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://www.anaveragepatriot.com/