Pakistan's shadowy secret service: Pakistan arrests five men for helping CIA spy on Bin Laden house, if they were on our side they would be thanking them

Pakistan arrests five men for helping CIA spy on Bin Laden house: Pakistan's military Wednesday rejected a New York Times report that the country's intelligence agency has arrested some of the Pakistani informants who fed information to the Central Intelligence Agency in the months leading up to the U.S. raid that led to the death of Osama bin Laden.

Pakistan rejects US report on army major arrest in Osama raid: The fate of the CIA informants arrested in Pakistan is unclear, but American officials said that the CIA director, Leon E. Panetta, raised the issue when he traveled to Islamabad last week to meet with Pakistani military and intelligence officers. Of course Pakistan said claims of their arrest were baseless I am so sick of this crap. If claims of their arrest are baseless then show them and let us interview them on our own. We know who they are!


Pakistan's shadowy secret service: Pakistan's directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, is once again facing accusations of double-standards over its role in the fight against al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Embarrassed by the Osama bin Laden raid and by a series of insurgent attacks on high-security sites, top Pakistani military officials are increasingly concerned that their ranks are penetrated by Islamists who are aiding militants in a campaign against the state.

Those worries have grown especially acute since the killing of bin Laden less than a mile from a prestigious military academy. The infiltration by heavily armed insurgents this week of a naval base in the megacity of Karachi — an attack widely believed to have required inside help and don't forget the massive extensive tunnel in the middle of the main prison floor in Kabul. Definitely inside help there! Pakistani military worried about collaborators in its ranks, officials say

It is about time they acknowledge it. We have been threatening Pakistan and warning them from day one as we knew there was complicity within ISI if not the Government too.The ISI, interservice intelligence, is part of the military.
You know of the extensive even pre 9/11 connection between them all.

Once again for the uninitiated I want to rehash "our ally" Pakistan's financial backing and intelligence help for the Taliban well before 9/11. They are also solely responsible for setting up our Afghan allies to be killed. I have to wonder if it was them that made it possible for that suicide bomber to kill those 9 CIA agents?

Any way look at this as the evidence has been piling up from day one and we are still giving them $100's of millions. Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, calls the shots for the Taliban and other insurgent groups in Afghanistan, training, funding and giving shelter to them, a Harvard academic claims in a new paper that Pakistan's military dismissed as "rubbish." That isn't rubbish it is old news. Please read the story at the link then think back!

The US and Pakistan are pissed that the truth leaked out but too bad. The documents, made available by Wiki Leaks, suggest that Pakistan allows representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders and other US allies. Pakistan Spy Service Aids Insurgents, Reports Assert We already knew that anyway.

Remember the 911 movie, press for truth full movie here That has got to be the very best movie exposing the 9/11 cover up. Bush, Rice, Cheney, everyone of them said over and over that there was no forewarning that terrorists were going to strike and that planes could be used as missiles to bring down buildings.

The movie documents factually that we heard in 1995, that planes may be used but never concerned ourselves about it. We received multiple warnings prior to 9/11 that terrorists were around, planes would be used, and the towers were coming down. Surprising to me was that prior to 9/11 one of the hijackers backed out and turned himself in, telling authorities what was going to happen. He was given 2 lie detector tests that he passed with ease. I don't recall who in the Administration said it. But they were told to let him go and send him back to London.

9/11 was allowed to happen for a reason! Once it did occur we attacked Afghanistan of course. As you remember, Bin laden and many of the leadership were trapped in Tora Bora. In the past I have said Bin Laden was allowed to escape so bush could use him to keep fervor up and Afghani's were credited with being responsible for his escape. * Remember this! We knew there were four ways out and only guarded three. We gave them a way out.

Not only that but I remember hearing about a 1,000 car caravan but it was never mentioned that we were bombing the area around it but allowed the 1,000 car caravan carrying the Bin Laden entourage to escape into Pakistan and at night, come on. Now this part really irks me and I for one never heard anything about it and still don't. As far as I am concerned Pakistan is no friend of America's and will partner with India and turn on us when the time comes. We also heard over and over how Bush would track down any Al Qaeda finances and try anyone involved. He made a big deal out of the fact that someone outed the fact that we were checking out electronic transfers etc. Something he himself announced.

Then I watched the movie and find out that the head of the Pakistani ISI transferred $100,000 to Muhammad Atta just prior to the 9/11 attacks. This gets worse. Primarily because not only do we have records of this financing as well as pictures but we ignored it and supposedly are in cahoots with them. What happened to anyone caught aiding, abetting, or financing terrorism being hunted down? To make it worse, the joke of a sideshow they called the 9/11 commission hearings was an obvious farce.

We knew Rice and others were lying and Bush and Cheney were allowed to hold hands and lie together (take that any way you want). I think I vaguely remember hearing this but like everything else it was dismissed as insignificant. Anyway, the guy who ran Bush's election campaign if I remember correctly, was the one running the commission hearings. He was the one who decided what was significant and what wasn't as well as what questions could be asked. What the hell is that. This entire thing was stacked against the truth and the facts getting out. It is our duty as Americans to hold these liars accountable. We owe it to the victims. We owe it to our children. We owe it to our history and we owe it to ourselves and this underhanded crap just continues! How? Why?

To reiterate, 9/11 was allowed to happen. As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do. 9/11 gave him that something.He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new societal, middle east, and world order. That is why it was important to him to whip up a media and public fury which of course, he has done.

He then used the excuse of 9/11 to attack Iraq and unsettle the middle east so he could further his idea of a new middle east and world order. In doing so he guaranteed the loss of Afghanistan as well as Iraq and the entire middle east Of course lying all the while and whipping up as much support and frenzy as he could in the media and minds he controlled.

Now Obama is in charge of this mess and he knows the entire debacle was built on lies and we are giving Pakistan a billion dollars a year and we have known from before day one that Pakistan's Intelligence service has been supporting and paying Al Qaeda and the Taliban from before day one. They made 9/11 possible and are now helping the Taliban kill us and undermine our efforts in Afghanistan. We must force Pakistan to clean house if possible but it will not happen. Are we ever caught between a rock and a hard place. What will or can Obama do about this?

We knew the ISI was paying Attah before he flew into the towers and much worse but what the hell can we do? We are between a rock and a hard place and those republican asshole heroes Bush and Cheney put us here. We may be in Afghanistan for that trillion dollars in mineral rich's but I doubt it. We defeated Al Qaeda as a force to attack us.

I believe our real goal now is to go after the indigenous Taliban who belong there and we will never dislodge so we can perpetuate our war economy and stay next door to Pakistan's nuke's so we can secure them if we think they are in danger. We have been in there clandestinely for years to do just that.Boy are we screwed!

* Now we will see what we do in the area now that Bin Laden is dead as he should have been at Tora Bora. Tora Bora, known locally as Spīn Ghar, is a cave complex situated in the White Mountains (Safed Koh) of eastern Afghanistan. The outposts in use in 2001 were originally built by extending and shoring up natural caves, with the assistance of the CIA in the early 1980s (Operation Cyclone) for use by mujahideen during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Yep! Tora Bora built with CIA help

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageanericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Pakistani military worried about collaborators in its ranks, officials say , ya think?

Top killer Kashmiri was indeed killed by a US drone Great! He was wanted by India, Pakistan, and the US and had $5 million on his head. He fell out of favor with the ISI. Hmm?

CIA team visits Osama hideout, searches for over six hours

Embarrassed by the Osama bin Laden raid and by a series of insurgent attacks on high-security sites, top Pakistani military officials are increasingly concerned that their ranks are penetrated by Islamists who are aiding militants in a campaign against the state.

Those worries have grown especially acute since the killing of bin Laden less than a mile from a prestigious military academy. The infiltration by heavily armed insurgents this week of a naval base in the megacity of Karachi — an attack widely believed to have required inside help and don't forget the massive extensive tunnel in the middle of the main prison floor in Kabul. Definitely inside help there! Pakistani military worried about collaborators in its ranks, officials say

It is about time they acknowledge it. We have been threatening Pakistan and warning them from day one as we knew there was complicity within ISI if not the Government too.The ISI, interservice intelligence, is part of the military.
You know of the extensive even pre 9/11 connection between them all.

Once again for the uninitiated I want to rehash "our ally" Pakistan's financial backing and intelligence help for the Taliban well before 9/11. They are also solely responsible for setting up our Afghan allies to be killed. I have to wonder if it was them that made it possible for that suicide bomber to kill those 9 CIA agents?

Any way look at this as the evidence has been piling up from day one and we are still giving them $100's of millions. Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, calls the shots for the Taliban and other insurgent groups in Afghanistan, training, funding and giving shelter to them, a Harvard academic claims in a new paper that Pakistan's military dismissed as "rubbish." That isn't rubbish it is old news. Please read the story at the link then think back!

The US and Pakistan are pissed that the truth leaked out but too bad. The documents, made available by Wiki Leaks, suggest that Pakistan allows representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders and other US allies. Pakistan Spy Service Aids Insurgents, Reports Assert We already knew that anyway.

Remember the 911 movie, press for truth? full movie here That has got to be the very best movie exposing the 9/11 cover up. Bush, Rice, Cheney, everyone of them said over and over that there was no forewarning that terrorists were going to strike and that planes could be used as missiles to bring down buildings.

The movie documents factually that we heard in 1995, that planes may be used but never concerned ourselves about it. We received multiple warnings prior to 9/11 that terrorists were around, planes would be used, and the towers were coming down. Surprising to me was that prior to 9/11 one of the hijackers backed out and turned himself in, telling authorities what was going to happen. He was given 2 lie detector tests that he passed with ease. I don't recall who in the Administration said it. But they were told to let him go and send him back to London.

9/11 was allowed to happen for a reason! Once it did occur we attacked Afghanistan of course. As you remember, Bin laden and many of the leadership were trapped in Tora Bora. In the past I have said Bin Laden was allowed to escape so bush could use him to keep fervor up and Afghani's were credited with being responsible for his escape. * Remember this! We knew there were four ways out and only guarded three. We gave them a way out.

Not only that but I remember hearing about a 1,000 car caravan but it was never mentioned that we were bombing the area around it but allowed the 1,000 car caravan carrying the Bin Laden entourage to escape into Pakistan and at night, come on. Now this part really irks me and I for one never heard anything about it and still don't. As far as I am concerned Pakistan is no friend of America's and will partner with India and turn on us when the time comes. We also heard over and over how Bush would track down any Al Qaeda finances and try anyone involved. He made a big deal out of the fact that someone outed the fact that we were checking out electronic transfers etc. Something he himself announced.

Then I watched the movie and find out that the head of the Pakistani ISI transferred $100,000 to Muhammad Atta just prior to the 9/11 attacks. This gets worse. Primarily because not only do we have records of this financing as well as pictures but we ignored it and supposedly are in cahoots with them. What happened to anyone caught aiding, abetting, or financing terrorism being hunted down? To make it worse, the joke of a sideshow they called the 9/11 commission hearings was an obvious farce.

We knew Rice and others were lying and Bush and Cheney were allowed to hold hands and lie together (take that any way you want). I think I vaguely remember hearing this but like everything else it was dismissed as insignificant. Anyway, the guy who ran Bush's election campaign if I remember correctly, was the one running the commission hearings. He was the one who decided what was significant and what wasn't as well as what questions could be asked. What the hell is that. This entire thing was stacked against the truth and the facts getting out. It is our duty as Americans to hold these liars accountable. We owe it to the victims. We owe it to our children. We owe it to our history and we owe it to ourselves and this underhanded crap just continues! How? Why?

To reiterate, 9/11 was allowed to happen. As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do. 9/11 gave him that something.He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new societal, middle east, and world order. That is why it was important to him to whip up a media and public fury which of course, he has done.

He then used the excuse of 9/11 to attack Iraq and unsettle the middle east so he could further his idea of a new middle east and world order. In doing so he guaranteed the loss of Afghanistan as well as Iraq and the entire middle east Of course lying all the while and whipping up as much support and frenzy as he could in the media and minds he controlled.

Now Obama is in charge of this mess and he knows the entire debacle was built on lies and we are giving Pakistan a billion dollars a year and we have known from before day one that Pakistan's Intelligence service has been supporting and paying Al Qaeda and the Taliban from before day one. They made 9/11 possible and are now helping the Taliban kill us and undermine our efforts in Afghanistan. We must force Pakistan to clean house if possible but it will not happen. Are we ever caught between a rock and a hard place. What will or can Obama do about this?

We knew the ISI was paying Attah before he flew into the towers and much worse but what the hell can we do? We are between a rock and a hard place and those republican asshole heroes Bush and Cheney put us here. We may be in Afghanistan for that trillion dollars in mineral rich's but I doubt it. We defeated Al Qaeda as a force to attack us.

I believe our real goal now is to go after the indigenous Taliban who belong there and we will never dislodge so we can perpetuate our war economy and stay next door to Pakistan's nuke's so we can secure them if we think they are in danger. We have been in there clandestinely for years to do just that.Boy are we screwed!

* Now we will see what we do in the area now that Bin Laden is dead as he should have been at Tora Bora. Tora Bora, known locally as Spīn Ghar, is a cave complex situated in the White Mountains (Safed Koh) of eastern Afghanistan. The outposts in use in 2001 were originally built by extending and shoring up natural caves, with the assistance of the CIA in the early 1980s (Operation Cyclone) for use by mujahideen during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Yep! Tora Bora built with CIA help

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageanericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Osama Bin Laden Conspiracy Theories Live On as it should it is the truth

Osama Bin Laden Conspiracy Theories Live On A simple picture will prove Obama is dead but in many circles will inflame more anger however it has to be done. That will end conspiracy theories as to whether or not he is dead but the so called "conspiracy theories" around Bin Laden and 9/11 will continue as they are true.

As we have been saying since George Bush every time the truth is hit it is merely dismissed as conspiracy theory as the real conspiracy simply continues. I want you to think about one thing before I recite this and will remind you of another sobering fact most do not know at the end. There is going to be pissed Pakistani's that we went in and did that but a note of interest is he was not living in a hole in the mountains but in luxury an hour from Islamabad in a 4 acre compound, an are where retired ISI and Government officials lived. You know of the extensive even pre 9/11 connection between them all.

Once again for the uninitiated I want to rehash "our ally" Pakistan's financial backing and intelligence help for the Taliban well before 9/11. They are also solely responsible for setting up our Afghan allies to be killed. I have to wonder if it was them that made it possible for that suicide bomber to kill those 9 CIA agents?

Any way look at this as the evidence has been piling up from day one and we are still giving them $100's of millions. Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, calls the shots for the Taliban and other insurgent groups in Afghanistan, training, funding and giving shelter to them, a Harvard academic claims in a new paper that Pakistan's military dismissed as "rubbish." That isn't rubbish it is old news. Please read the story at the link then think back!

The US and Pakistan are pissed that the truth leaked out but too bad. The documents, made available by Wiki Leaks, suggest that Pakistan allows representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders and other US allies. Pakistan Spy Service Aids Insurgents, Reports Assert We already knew that anyway.

Remember The 911 movie, press for truth? That has got to be the very best movie exposing the 9/11 cover up. Bush, Rice, Cheney, everyone of them said over and over that there was no forewarning that terrorists were going to strike and that planes could be used as missiles to bring down buildings.

The movie documents factually that we heard in 1995, that planes may be used but never concerned ourselves about it. We received multiple warnings prior to 9/11 that terrorists were around, planes would be used, and the towers were coming down. Surprising to me was that prior to 9/11 one of the hijackers backed out and turned himself in, telling authorities what was going to happen. He was given 2 lie detector tests that he passed with ease. I don't recall who in the Administration said it. But they were told to let him go and send him back to London.

9/11 was allowed to happen for a reason! Once it did occur we attacked Afghanistan of course. As you remember, Bin laden and many of the leadership were trapped in Tora Bora. In the past I have said Bin Laden was allowed to escape so bush could use him to keep fervor up and Afghani's were credited with being responsible for his escape. * Remember this! We knew there were four ways out and only guarded three. We gave them a way out.

Not only that but I remember hearing about a 1,000 car caravan but it was never mentioned that we were bombing the area around it but allowed the 1,000 car caravan carrying the Bin Laden entourage to escape into Pakistan and at night, come on. Now this part really irks me and I for one never heard anything about it and still don't. As far as I am concerned Pakistan is no friend of America's and will partner with India and turn on us when the time comes. We also heard over and over how Bush would track down any Al Qaeda finances and try anyone involved. He made a big deal out of the fact that someone outed the fact that we were checking out electronic transfers etc. Something he himself announced.

Then I watched the movie and find out that the head of the Pakistani ISI transferred $100,000 to Muhammad Atta just prior to the 9/11 attacks. This gets worse. Primarily because not only do we have records of this financing as well as pictures but we ignored it and supposedly are in cahoots with them. What happened to anyone caught aiding, abetting, or financing terrorism being hunted down? To make it worse, the joke of a sideshow they called the 9/11 commission hearings was an obvious farce.

We knew Rice and others were lying and Bush and Cheney were allowed to hold hands and lie together (take that any way you want). I think I vaguely remember hearing this but like everything else it was dismissed as insignificant. Anyway, the guy who ran Bush's election campaign if I remember correctly, was the one running the commission hearings. He was the one who decided what was significant and what wasn't as well as what questions could be asked. What the hell is that. This entire thing was stacked against the truth and the facts getting out. It is our duty as Americans to hold these liars accountable. We owe it to the victims. We owe it to our children. We owe it to our history and we owe it to ourselves and this underhanded crap just continues! How? Why?

To reiterate, 9/11 was allowed to happen. As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do. 9/11 gave him that something.He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new societal, middle east, and world order. That is why it was important to him to whip up a media and public fury which of course, he has done.


He then used the excuse of 9/11 to attack Iraq and unsettle the middle east so he could further his idea of a new middle east and world order. In doing so he guaranteed the loss of Afghanistan as well as Iraq and the entire middle east Of course lying all the while and whipping up as much support and frenzy as he could in the media and minds he controlled.

Now Obama is in charge of this mess and he knows the entire debacle was built on lies and we are giving Pakistan a billion dollars a year and we have known from before day one that Pakistan's Intelligence service has been supporting and paying Al Qaeda and the Taliban from before day one. They made 9/11 possible and are now helping the Taliban kill us and undermine our efforts in Afghanistan. We must force Pakistan to clean house if possible but it will not happen. Are we ever caught between a rock and a hard place. What will or can Obama do about this?

We knew the ISI was paying Attah before he flew into the towers and much worse but what the hell can we do? We are between a rock and a hard place and those republican asshole heroes Bush and Cheney put us here. We may be in Afghanistan for that trillion dollars in mineral rich's but I doubt it. We defeated Al Qaeda as a force to attack us.

There are 100 left that are costing us billions to supposedly go after. I believe our real goal now is to go after the indigenous Taliban who belong there and we will never dislodge so we can perpetuate our war economy and stay next door to Pakistan's nuke's so we can secure them if we think they are in danger. We have been in there clandestinely for years to do just that.Boy are we screwed!

* Now we will see what we do in the area now that Bin Laden is dead as he should have been at Tora Bora. Tora Bora, known locally as Spīn Ghar, is a cave complex situated in the White Mountains (Safed Koh) of eastern Afghanistan. The outposts in use in 2001 were originally built by extending and shoring up natural caves, with the assistance of the CIA in the early 1980s (Operation Cyclone) for use by mujahideen during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Yep! Tora Bora built with CIA help

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageanericanpatriot.blogspot.com

There's no news here: Wiki leaks breaks the truth we knew that we give Pakistan $1 Billion per year and they have been helping kill us from day one

There is no real news here. There is no additional danger to our troops only to those stupid enough to try to help us. We did our job we have to get the hell out if we really want to end this. We have discussed this numerous times since 9/11 but the evidence gets deeper and deeper and more undeniable almost daily. Check out this detail and tell me what you think.

Once again for the uninitiated I want to rehash "our ally" Pakistan's financial backing and intelligence help for the Taliban well before 9/11. They are also solely responsible for setting up our Afghan allies to be killed. I have to wonder if it was them that made it possible for that suicide bomber to kill those 9 CIA agents?

Any way look at this as the evidence has been piling up from day one and we are still giving them $100's of millions. Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, calls the shots for the Taliban and other insurgent groups in Afghanistan, training, funding and giving shelter to them, a Harvard academic claims in a new paper that Pakistan's military dismissed as "rubbish." That isn't rubbish it is old news. Please read the story at the link then think back!

The US and Pakistan are pissed that the truth leaked out but too bad. The documents, made available by Wiki Leaks, suggest that Pakistan allows representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders and other US allies. Pakistan Spy Service Aids Insurgents, Reports Assert

Remember The 911 movie, press for truth has got to be the very best movie exposing the 9/11 cover up. Bush, Rice, Cheney, everyone of them said over and over that there was no forewarning that terrorists were going to strike and that planes could be used as missiles to bring down buildings.

The movie documents factually that we heard in 1995 that planes may be used but never concerned ourselves about it. We received multiple warnings prior to 9/11 that terrorists were around, planes would be used, and the towers were coming down. Surprising to me was that prior to 9/11 one of the hijackers backed out and turned himself in, telling authorities what was going to happen. He was given 2 lie detector tests that he passed with ease. I don't recall who in the Administration said it. But they were told to let him go and send him back to London.

9/11 was allowed to happen for a reason! Once it did occur we attacked Afghanistan of course. As you remember, Bin laden and many of the leadership were trapped in Tora Bora. In the past I have said Bin Laden was allowed to escape so bush could use him to keep fervor up and Afghani's were credited with being responsible for his escape. We knew there were four ways out and only guarded three. We gave them a way out.

Not only that but I remember hearing about a 1,000 car caravan but it was never mentioned that we were bombing the area around it but allowed the 1,000 car caravan carrying the Bin Laden entourage to escape into Pakistan and at night, come on. Now this part really irks me and I for one never heard anything about it and still don't. As far as I am concerned Pakistan is no friend of America's and will partner with India and turn on us when the time comes. We also heard over and over how Bush would track down any Al Qaeda finances and try anyone involved. He made a big deal out of the fact that someone outed the fact that we were checking out electronic transfers etc. Something he himself announced.

Then I watched the movie and find out that the head of the Pakistani ISI transferred $100,000 to Muhammad Atta just prior to the 9/11 attacks. This gets worse. Primarily because not only do we have records of this financing as well as pictures but we ignored it and supposedly are in cahoots with them. What happened to anyone caught aiding, abetting, or financing terrorism being hunted down? To make it worse, the joke of a sideshow they called the 9/11 commission hearings was an obvious farce.

We knew Rice and others were lying and Bush and Cheney were allowed to hold hands and lie together (take that any way you want). I think I vaguely remember hearing this but like everything else it was dismissed as insignificant. Anyway, the guy who ran Bush's election campaign if I remember correctly, is the one running the commission hearings. He was the one who decided what was significant and what wasn't as well as what questions could be asked. What the hell is that. This entire thing was stacked against the truth and the facts getting out. It is our duty as Americans to hold these liars accountable. We owe it to the victims. We owe it to our children. We owe it to our history and we owe it to ourselves and this underhanded crap just continues! How? Why?

To reiterate, 9/11 was allowed to happen. As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do. 9/11 gave him that something.He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new societal, middle east, and world order. That is why it was important to him to whip up a media and public fury which of course, he has done.


He then used the excuse of 9/11 to attack Iraq and unsettle the middle east so he could further his idea of a new middle east and world order. In doing so he guaranteed the loss of Afghanistan as well as Iraq and the entire middle east Of course lying all the while and whipping up as much support and frenzy as he could in the media and minds he controlled.

Now Obama is in charge of this mess and he knows the entire debacle was built on lies and we are giving Pakistan a billion dollars a year and we have known from before day one that Pakistan's Intelligence service has been supporting and paying Al Qaeda and the Taliban from before day one. They made 9/11 possible and are now helping the Taliban kill us and undermine our efforts in Afghanistan. We must force Pakistan to clean house if possible but it will not happen. Are we ever caught between a rock and a hard place. What will or can Obama do about this?

We knew the ISI was paying Attah before he flew into the towers and much worse but what the hell can we do? We are between a rock and a hard place and those republican asshole heroes Bush and Cheney put us here. We may be in Afghanistan for that trillion dollars in mineral rich's but I doubt it. We defeated Al Qaeda as a force to attack us.

There are 100 left that are costing us billions to supposedly go after. I believe our real goal now is to go after the indigenous Taliban who belong there and we will never dislodge so we can perpetuate our war economy and stay next door to Pakistan's nuke's so we can secure them if we think they are in danger. We have been in there clandestinely for years to do just that.Boy  are we screwed! Get out now or else!


James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageanericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Pakistani intelligence funds and trains Taliban, expert argues! Duhh no kidding that is old news

                                    ISI and CIA agents


Matt Waldman on Taliban-ISI links



Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, calls the shots for the Taliban and other insurgent groups in Afghanistan, training, funding and giving shelter to them, a Harvard academic claims in a new paper that Pakistan's military dismissed as "rubbish." That isn't rubbish it is old news. Please read the story at the link then think back! Pakistani intelligence funds and trains Taliban, expert argues

Remember The 911 movie, press for truth has got to be the very best movie exposing the 9/11 cover up. Bush, Rice, Cheney, everyone of them said over and over that there was no forewarning that terrorists were going to strike and that planes could be used as missiles to bring down buildings.

The movie documents factually that we heard in 1995 that planes may be used but never concerned ourselves about it. We received multiple warnings prior to 9/11 that terrorists were around, planes would be used, and the towers were coming down. Surprising to me was that prior to 9/11 one of the hijackers backed out and turned himself in, telling authorities what was going to happen. He was given 2 lie detector tests that he passed with ease. I don't recall who in the Administration said it. But they were told to let him go and send him back to London.

9/11 was allowed to happen for a reason! Once it did occur we attacked Afghanistan of course. As you remember, Bin laden and many of the leadership were trapped in Tora Bora. In the past I have said Bin Laden was allowed to escape so bush could use him to keep fervor up and Afghani's were credited with being responsible for his escape. We knew there were four ways out and only guarded three. We gave them a way out.

Not only that but I remember hearing about a 1,000 car caravan but it was never mentioned that we were bombing the area around it but allowed the 1,000 car caravan carrying the Bin Laden entourage to escape into Pakistan and at night, come on. Now this part really irks me and I for one never heard anything about it and still don't. As far as I am concerned Pakistan is no friend of America's and will partner with India and turn on us when the time comes. We also heard over and over how Bush would track down any Al Qaeda finances and try anyone involved. He made a big deal out of the fact that someone outed the fact that we were checking out electronic transfers etc. Something he himself announced.


Then I watched the movie and find out that the head of the Pakistani ISI transferred $100,000 to Muhammad Atta just prior to the 9/11 attacks. This gets worse. Primarily because not only do we have records of this financing as well as pictures but we ignored it and supposedly are in cahoots with them. What happened to anyone caught aiding, abetting, or financing terrorism being hunted down? To make it worse, the joke of a sideshow they called the 9/11 commission hearings was an obvious farce.



We knew Rice and others were lying and Bush and Cheney were allowed to hold hands and lie together (take that any way you want). I think I vaguely remember hearing this but like everything else it was dismissed as insignificant. Anyway, the guy who ran Bush's election campaign if I remember correctly, is the one running the commission hearings. He was the one who decided what was significant and what wasn't as well as what questions could be asked. What the hell is that. This entire thing was stacked against the truth and the facts getting out. It is our duty as Americans to hold these liars accountable. We owe it to the victims. We owe it to our children. We owe it to our history and we owe it to ourselves and this underhanded crap just continues! How? Why?

To reiterate, 9/11 was allowed to happen. As you may remember, Bush was looking for something to happen that would put the country and the world behind what he already had plans to do. 9/11 gave him that something.He had plans right from the beginning to establish a new societal, middle east, and world order. That is why it was important to him to whip up a media and public fury which of course, he has done.


He then used the excuse of 9/11 to attack Iraq and unsettle the middle east so he could further his idea of a new middle east and world order. In doing so he guaranteed the loss of Afghanistan as well as Iraq and the entire middle east Of course lying all the while and whipping up as much support and frenzy as he could in the media and minds he controls.At this point it behooves him to continue to ignore reality and continue to whip up a frenzy so he can continue staying the course in order to further prosecute his new middle east and world order.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
http://anaverageanericanpatriot.blogspot.com

Look at the Big picture: We're killing them so Pakistan Taliban in disarray prepared to make a deal to fight westerners in Afghanistan!

Major Afghan Offensive



I see a lot of progress being made in both Pakistan and Afghanistan so what I learned about the ISI making a deal with Pakistan's Taliban so they would leaver Pakistan alone and be free to fight the west in Afghanistan. There is too much going in in both countries and by more than one country so I will once again supply you with links to the story you may want to look at. Look at them all as together they paint the whole picture. I will present my synopsis at the end!

Dozens die in militant battle in NW Pakistan

US sees signs of disarray within Pakistani Taliban

I hope some of my friends in Pakistan help me understand this because man we are making major head way here in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. We know there is no making deals with the Taliban and Al Qaeda. We have seen the results of the deals Pakistan has made with the Taliban in the past. The action by the Government of Pakistan today is the result. The link above as really troubling to me!

With all of Pakistan's success and the death of Mehsud now is the time to strike not make deals. I understand that the major war lords in South Waziristan has long and extensive ties in the ISI. The agency is viewed with awe and dread. It is the eyes and ears of military power. The agency is notorious and feared eliciting awe and fear from Pakistani's as this report illustrates

Right now the ISI is in negations with war lords in South Waziristan for a treaty. Since Mehsud's reported death, the TTP ( Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan) has been beset by infighting as several high-level commanders vie to replace Mehsud. One or two commanders have already been killed and I wish they would kill themselves off. I know there are a reported 70 to 90 Taliban killed by pro Government forces but there is much to be done.
Instead of pressing the fight in South Waziristan there are negotiations with some war lords. Those identified as the most likely turncoats in this strategy are the leaders of the Ahmedzai Wazir tribe, Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Maulvi Nazir. Both are primarily interested in fighting against Western forces in Afghanistan. The ISI will leave them alone if they will leave Pakistan alone and concentrate on killing western forces in Afghanistan. What the hell is that? That can't happen! Pakistan Military Not Capitalizing on Taliban Disarray

Someone help me out here! I am hoping that is merely a ploy to get more cooperation concessions and money from the US. This pincer movement by Pakistan and NATO in Afghanistan is really bearing fruit. Now is not the time for anyone to step back but to step up. For the first time the Marines are taking control of Taliban held towns after extensive firefights. Troops exchanged heavy fire with insurgents in Dahaneh, in the southern province of Helmand, killing at least seven of them after an 8 hour firefight. The Taliban had been forewarned. Marines Raid Taliban-Controlled Town

U.S. Troops Move Deeper Into Afghanistan's Helmand Province; One Marine Killed - washingtonpost.com

On their end 600 British marine commandos killed 130 Taliban in their daring raid on bases in the opium-swamped Marjah region of Helmand. Six-hundred commandos fought in a ferocious 3 day assaul to take the most important Taliban stronghold yet. Royal Marines kill 130 Taliban during a three-day raid in the Marjah region of Helmand in Afghanistan | The Sun |N

Pentagon Says Operations to Clear Taliban Will Expand

Make your deals do what you must but now is not the time to step back. I increasingly see more and more progress in our fight against the Taliban instead of the other way around. They are on the run and we must keep them running until more countries step up and we put an end to this.

James Joiner
Gardner, Ma
www.anaveragepatriot.com