tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post6068784360496189144..comments2024-01-19T07:30:41.591-08:00Comments on An Average American Patriot: While the Lockerbie battle continues the battle against the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan takes a new shape!jmsjoinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17631105639275375922noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post-8054570211075858092009-08-30T15:35:41.091-07:002009-08-30T15:35:41.091-07:00Good points Richard can't argue with that. Sor...Good points Richard can't argue with that. Sorry I just saw this, Hey Brother!jmsjoinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17631105639275375922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post-23265421131291382262009-08-28T12:29:05.682-07:002009-08-28T12:29:05.682-07:00Aye, Laddie, so right you are. God bless you!Aye, Laddie, so right you are. God bless you!Brother Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08603553502416272941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post-18901826184650192092009-08-28T08:44:42.963-07:002009-08-28T08:44:42.963-07:00I've come a bit late to this but I've been...I've come a bit late to this but I've been away and wanted to add my views. You'll be unlikely to agree with them but i wanted to add a scottish perspective.<br /><br />I can understand the hurt caused by our government’s decision to approve the release of Al Megaregaha on compassionate grounds but the picture is, to this scotsman’s eyes, a little grey. You’ve picked up the doubts about the safety of the conviction and indeed most commentators in Scotland are pretty clear that if the case has been heard by a jury the Crown would not have got a conviction - not proven would have been the best they could have hoped for. Our government got landed well and truly in it but to talk of any interference from the UK government misses the political and constitutional points. Broadly had the UK government tried to interfere they would have caused a serious row possibly even the resignation of the government here as the decision was purely on the legalities. Gordon Brown has judged it well by avoiding any comment. <br /><br />Scotland has been doubly stitched up by the unholy deal between our last dear leaders (Bush and Blair) and Ghadaffi where he admitted liability for Lockerbie and produced 2 for trial in return for getting off the pariah state hook; Scotland fell for jurisdiction for the trial and managed a conviction but see above. We then get caught by Blair’s deal for prisoner exchange with Libya. Add to this the fact that al Megrahi would have been likely to have died a martyr in a Scottish jail and it is not exactly difficult to see the attractions on compassionate release.<br /><br />There are a couple of points I’d like to make based on 2 New Testament quotations – ‘He who is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone’ and ‘Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye but considereth not the beam that is in thine own eye.’ <br /><br />First, this country suffered a prolonged terrorist campaign in which around 1800 people were killed by the Provisional IRA alone. The bulk of the Provisional IRA’s funding came from the USA along with most of the arms (some strangely enough came from Libya and a bit more from Colombia through IRA involvement in drugs trafficking) and explosives and very little was done to stop it. IRA terrorists could run for cover in the USA secure in the knowledge that they would be able to run free from the possibility of extradition to the UK and that they would be fawned over by politicians and other dignitaries. <br /><br />Second, most people here can’t see much difference between a state that will ‘accidentally’ shoot down a civilian airliner and the Lockerbie outrage except that the US crew got decorations and rewards oh and they were in uniform.<br /><br />This is not to try to say two wrongs make a right but to suggest that the reaction from some in the USA is perhaps a bit one sided and also perhaps a bit insulting to my country.Richard Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17225331967587897653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post-27654271506005491992009-08-25T15:07:25.363-07:002009-08-25T15:07:25.363-07:00Brother I really don't know if he is guilty or...Brother I really don't know if he is guilty or not. Landsker and Demeur I think it was really cast doubt on it. Did you read that link from Landsker. It doesn't look good to family especialy. I just heard on MSNBC that Qadaffi is coming to New Jersey or something. I have to try and catch it again!jmsjoinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17631105639275375922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post-27708812913749410392009-08-25T14:41:37.950-07:002009-08-25T14:41:37.950-07:00While you say, "I myself do not know if he di...While you say, <i>"I myself do not know if he did it or not"</i>, the tone of your writing appears that you feel he is guilty. You say his release 'emboldens' the terrorists. Would you prefer an innocent man to die in prison, just so terrorists can not be emboldened? I know you hold justice in high esteem. Demeur is absolutely right in his 'Nice Can of Worms' post. Have you read it?<br /><br />Why is compassion now a dirty word in the American psyche??????Brother Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08603553502416272941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post-20331034350657768932009-08-25T13:31:31.305-07:002009-08-25T13:31:31.305-07:00Hi Landsker
It just keeps getting more convolut...Hi Landsker<br /> It just keeps getting more convoluted. Thanks for that! It stinks, we never hear the truth even if we fell over it because not just in this case but in every instance we get conflicting info from all sides to confuse us so a selfish agenda can be followed. I hate this crap.jmsjoinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17631105639275375922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post-45821240453244542572009-08-25T13:24:03.670-07:002009-08-25T13:24:03.670-07:00Hi Holte
I agree! I myself do not know if he di...Hi Holte<br /> I agree! I myself do not know if he did it or not. Once again something else we will never know the truth about.<br /> In this case wrongly convicted or not it pisses off many in the west and the so called terrorist sympathizers see his release as a huge victory! It doesn't look god that is my only concern.jmsjoinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17631105639275375922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post-24686108331212057502009-08-25T12:10:48.071-07:002009-08-25T12:10:48.071-07:00Jim,
The issues on this one are perverse, and in...Jim,<br /> The issues on this one are perverse, and indeed, Mueller is certainly shouting loud!<br />The Libyans have, it seems, decided to trade closely with London, and certainly the release of Al Magrahi is central to the "plot".<br /> The Ghadaffi family have bought personal property in London, and also invested into stock market and energy deals, at levels way over the heads of the common people, eh?<br /><br /> However it seems that the Scottish court had seen proof that other figures had planted the bomb.<br /> As such, a deal was struck, which actually favours Mueller and several other US officials from that era.... as it then permits withdrawal and suppression of the evidence to have been presented in court.<br /><br /> It seems (allegedly, of course;), that flight 103 was being used regularly as a courier plane to ship heroin into the US,(with the knowledge and involvement of the DEA), and then somehow or other, in revenge for the shooting down of the Iranian airliner by the USS "Vincennes", through a chain of players, the suppliers added a small bomb to the shipment, expected to explode over the Atlantic, but due to flight delays, it came down over Lockerbie.....<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/08/23" rel="nofollow">Here`s a link to a full article from common dreams, it may or may not be totally true, but it makes a lot of sense.</a><br /><br /> Also on board were several agents from the CIA, who "allegedly" had found out about the drug run, and were "squeezing" some of the players, who knows, just more madness from the great game of empires.landskerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14468667004994686779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post-37000610496142760432009-08-25T11:22:16.274-07:002009-08-25T11:22:16.274-07:00I believe all people who perpetrate atrocities lik...I believe all people who perpetrate atrocities like 9/11, 7/7, Pan Am 103, Oklahoma City, et.al., should be hunted down like the dogs they are. We should not do any business with states that sponsor terrorism. But we do.<br /><br />Al-Meghari was accused of placing an unaccompanied piece of luggage containing explosives, on an Air Malta plane to Frankfurt, Germany, which was then transferred to Pan Am 103A, flown to Heathrow and transferred again to Pan Am 103 flight to JFK. Very complicated.<br /><br />In the wreckage, forensics experts found the remains of the piece of luggage and clothes which they traced to a clothes shop in Malta.<br /><br />The shop owner became the key witness for the prosecution. Malta is a tourist playground and his shop will have had thousands of customers a year. Yet he remembered one man, al-Meghari, 12 years after he is supposed to have bought the clothes.<br /><br />These are just a few thoughts on what I have been reading in the past few days. Some of it so vile, I don't like thinking about it.<br /><br />It's everybody's right to believe, he did it, or he didn't do it, but after chewing on this for days, I've got an awfully bad taste in my mouth.Holte Enderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10356437917387847542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post-72699014551219145242009-08-25T09:28:04.892-07:002009-08-25T09:28:04.892-07:00Demeur
I am afraid because of extremists and th...Demeur<br /> I am afraid because of extremists and those angry at the UK nothing good will come out of his release. This is another Crusade whether the Taliban or Bush started it. I see it going on for generations. <br /><br /> This really is a trip because this entire mess is barely starting and you are not kidding. I said it for years but this is just starting and the entire middle east will be engulfed then the world. Only then will this mess really get started.jmsjoinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17631105639275375922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15216381.post-49029693875259709622009-08-25T08:22:46.249-07:002009-08-25T08:22:46.249-07:00As I pointed out in my blog post the other day (ht...As I pointed out in my blog post the other day (http://demeur.blogspot.com/2009/08/nice-can-of-worms.html ) it wouldn't have mattered if they let him out or not. He would have been out on appeal. As he's going to die anyway why not make something good from it?<br /><br />As for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and the mess in Iran it's a fight. Call it the crusades of the 21st century. But how will it end? It will end when the people over there decide to join the 21st century. That will be their choice not ours to make for them.<br />These battles will seem minor compared to what is on the horizon. Keep an eye on China and it's growth rate. Their main source of energy is coal which will tip the CO2 levels. Then consider that oil is coming close to it's peak and we have yet to put a plan in place. All of that will make what's happening in the middle east seem minor.Demeurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01935263659097273535noreply@blogger.com